/sci/ - Science & Math

The Niggerberg Uncertainty Principle: You can never know who ur father is

it does actually

western time is to linear, quantum mechanics is more chaotic like african concepts of time and frameworks?

i actually read that book, its quite fascinating its on the same level of importance as Einstein's General Relativity and Newton's Principia?

“Afrofuturism uses a completely different construct of time and engages a different notion of time consciousness and notion of the future than does the European brand of futurism, which is based on linear constructs of time and progress, and remnants of Newtonian physics updated with some Einstein relativity”

>>10199803
can someone debate this comment?

>>10199824
Okay
Define "consciousness" and then define "time consciousness"

>>10199825
i think she is referring to the idea that african time isn't so linear

>>10199771
I keep seeing you in different threads comparing random crap black people to do people like Newton, you should find some more varied ways to b8

>>10199736
Why does quantum mechanics attract more ignorant bullshitters to write books pretending to be about it than any other area of physics?

>>10199880
have you read her work? she is definitely on Newton's level

she is moving the entire field of physics from western notions of time,

>>10199892
Have you read Newton's work?

Even if "black quantum futurism" weren't completely obvious bullshit, the book was published in 2016 so there would be no way to determine its scientific impact for at least another decade.

>>10199902
its shifting the entire field of physics

MWI is the true masterrace theory, random collapse is for niggers indeed.

>>10199903
No it isn't and you know it

>>10199904
You're a moron

>>10199906
regardless if you think her work is bullshit

it can't be denied that western concepts of time are linear and that science has adapted that as a framework

>>10199910
No, he's right. You're a moron.

>>10199915
If someone believes MWI is true, they are a moron.
You believe in MWI
Therefore you're a moron.

QED

>>10199912
And the western concept works perfectly well. Anyone who tells you otherwise is selling you some real bullshit.

>>10199919
but her whole point is that quantum mechanics aligns with african concepts of time more so than western

>>10199912
What does a "linear" concept of time even mean? Whatever you think it means, certainly in relativity spacetime is curved so it isn't linear. If you consider time in quantum mechanics nonlinear for whatever reason, quantum mechanics is a western discovery anyway. So yes that can definitely be denied.

>>10199924
And guess what? She's selling you bullshit.

>>10199926
well one could argue that the Ancient Egyptians understood quantum mechanics before Heisenberg and the other German scientists of the 20th century that started Quantum Mechanics

>>10199929
>one could argue that the Ancient Egyptians understood quantum mechanics
Sure, if one doesn't mind being wrong.

>>10199929
Heh ok this one is interesting, let's hear your reasons for why ancient egyptians understood quantum mechanics. What kind of apparatus did they use to detect quantum effects?

>>10199935
>>10199929
>>10199932
he's trolling at this point, guys

don't feed him

>>10199939
No I seriously want to hear about the egyptians

>>10199943
The goddess Neith is one of the oldest, if not the oldest Egyptian God/dess. Indeed she pre-dates dynastic Egypt. Born from primordial waters, she is the weaver goddess and this is one of her many hieroglyphs: unspecified.png

The “wavy” line is water, the mound is a representation of matter (at least for the Dogon), the figure denotes a god/dess, but the important symbol is the shuttle with which she weaves the world into existence. Weaving is done with threads, which are also strings.

So that takes us to quantum physics and string theory. What is important to know about string theory is that the basic source of matter is theorized to be like a string rather than a sharp point or blob.

Strings combine—weave together—in complex ways. These pictures of “string formations” are from Wikimedia Commons:

https://knittingittogether.com/2017/01/01/what-did-our-ancestors-know-about-quantum-physics/

>>10199954
lol

>thinks he can use quantum mechanics to give a new explanation to reality
>Can't normalize a wavefunction, use the Schrodinger equation, or draw a space time diagram
Every time. What the fuck is up with people who don't know basic parts of theory thinking they can adapt it to some other useful aspect? It's like if I never touched an electrical circuit but think I could engineer a computer. Why is this shit so prevalent in quantum mechanics?

>>10199954
I was ready for disappointment and I was even more disappointed than expected. That's literally the worst argument for anything I've heard in months. I was hoping there would be some kind of vague reference to a quantum mechanical concept that could be spun into a conspiracy theory, not just "lol strings"

>>10199926
Nigga just take linear algebra it's at any college, any college in the country has a course on linear algebra just learn what a matrix is just learn what a linear transformation is just read a fucking book holy shit just stop fucking writing and start fucking reading you have books online fucking read the sticky there's like 1000000 books in that link that can tell you this basic shit.

>>10199967
I've taken linear algebra you dingus, I was just trying to get OP to be more clear about the bullshit terminology he's using so that it would be more obvious why it's bullshit

oh yes, an old classic

You are all assholes. It's obvious the guy itt is a young black kid who is desperately searching for someone who looks like himself, to look up to in a field he admires and that is dominated by European men.

>>10199988
So what are we supposed to tell him, that this retarded shit is legit? How would that benefit him? If he wants to look up to the old greats in a scientific field he's just going to have to learn to look beyond race when it comes to that.

By the way, whitey already beat you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauntology

This is a philosophical concept, not scientific

Hauntology (a portmanteau of haunting and ontology[1]) is a concept coined by philosopher Jacques Derrida in his 1993 book Spectres of Marx. The term refers to the situation of temporal, historical, and ontological disjunction in which the apparent presence of being is replaced by a deferred non-origin, represented by "the figure of the ghost as that which is neither present, nor absent, neither dead nor alive."[2] The concept is derived from Derrida's deconstructive method, in which any attempt to locate the origin of identity or history must inevitably find itself dependent on an always-already existing set of linguistic conditions—thus making "haunting the state proper to being as such."[3][4][5][jargon]

In the 2000s, the term was taken up by critics in reference to paradoxes found in late modernity, particularly contemporary culture's persistent recycling of retro aesthetics and incapacity to escape old social forms.[3] Critics such as Mark Fisher and Simon Reynolds used the term to describe art preoccupied with this temporal disjunction and defined by a "nostalgia for lost futures."[2]
Now get the fuck off my property boy

>>10200004
Yep, if there's a "quantum black futurism" of white people, Derrida's work has got to be it.

>>10200014
it litrrly lists afrofutruism in it.

Derrida's writing in Spectres is marked by a preoccupation with the "death" of communism after the 1991 fall of the Soviet Union, in particular after theorists such as Francis Fukuyama asserted that capitalism had conclusively triumphed over other political-economic systems and reached the "end of history." Taking inspiration from the pervasive ghost imagery in Marx's writing, Spectres has been said[by whom?] to concern itself with the question, "if communism was always spectral, what does it mean to say it is now dead?"[3]

Contemporary writers such as theorist Mark Fisher specifically used the concept of hauntology to describe a sense in which contemporary culture is haunted by the "lost futures" of modernity which were purportedly cancelled in postmodernity and neoliberalism. Hauntology has been described as a "pining for a future that never arrived;"[9] in contrast to the nostalgia and revivalism which dominate postmodernity, hauntological art and culture is typified by a critical foregrounding of the historical and metaphysical disjunctions of contemporary capitalist culture as well as a "refusal to give up on the desire for the future."[4] Fisher and others drew attention to the shift into post-Fordist economies in the late 1970s, which Fisher argues has "gradually and systematically deprived artists of the resources necessary to produce the new."[3] Hauntology has been used as a critical lens in various forms of media and theory, including music, political theory, architecture, Afrofuturism, and psychoanalysis.

>>10199771
rivals the genis of Minecraft notch

>>10200028
I don't know what afrofuturism is, some kind of art movement? In any case if it wasn't clear, I was laughing at Derrida not arguing with you

>>10199910
Have OC

>>10199762
CrimUn (criminally underrated)

>>10199910
>>10200050
Forgot pic.

>>10200057
I'm a white man you dumb fuck

>>10200039
The basic concept of hauntolgy is to mine the past for futures that never happened and apply it to art. Since all futures have been cancelled through the victory of capitalism. It isnt something that is a remake. Its using something from the past to make something new.
Something like vaporwave.

Vaporwave is both familiar, and new. Its different. But the same.
Dead and alive.
Like a ghost.

I've heard african blacks have no concept of past, present and future time in the way we do. Maybe they see it differently. Maybe that's the secret to quantum physics.

>>10199962
Ironically, Kek, the god of obscurity, can be slightly relevant to some old ideas like uncertainty principle.

>>10199960
Because quantum mechanics is not conventional physics. Your scope is limited

>>10200059
But you apparently love nigger ideas.

>>10200089
What exactly makes it unconventional? Just because some parts of it seem weird doesn't make it anything other than normal physics

>>10200089
Quantum mechanics is very conventional. It is universally accepted as an accurate descriptor for phenomena at its scale and is used in all sorts of everyday applications. There is rigour to the field which needs to be understood before you can just fly off an suggest alternative theories

>>10199736

Thank you OP, this thread reminds me it is possible to make money by writing a book about utter bullshit which panders to the social agenda of ignorant people.

>>10199842
You mean "africans have no conception of history and can't plan for the future".

>>10200112
https://www.amren.com/ar/2009/02/index.html

African time is based on 1 and 0. It's like binary. Basically what is being experienced and what was experienced.
There is the living time and the graveyard of time.

>>10200112
They're kind of right because the future has already happened. We just haven't experienced it yet. The tracks are laid, but the train has yet to reach them.

>>10199954

These charlatans are in their own way quite clever. They know exactly what sort of sciencey words to use, what sort of imagery to invoke, and the political bias needed to appeal to their target audience: Who are the product of a western education system, yet who lack key critical thinking and analytical skills, and who, by virtue of the modern civilization built by their own people, enjoy a disposable income by which they can purchase these sorts of books which reinforce their own stereotypes and prejudices.

The authors of such nonsense are just parasites, trying to make a buck through intellectual dishonesty.

>>10199967
anon
>>10199988
rewarding pathetic behavior is disgusting and unhelpful to the person who is suffering from their incompetence or wretchedness

>>10200129

Seems to be long winded and half assed way of explaining that Africans only have a barely conceived notion and very vague of the future.

There is no conceptual difference here. No alternative yet equally valid principles. They just haven't developed the concept of the future as well as other peoples.

>>10199736
As far as I can tell, OP, this is art (or music) and not science.
>theory and practice
Oh dear. Those words on a cover are as ominous as "a practical workbook" or "the complete guide."

>>10199954

Have you found your journey? You and I are seekers of the quantum soup. The goal of a resonance cascade is to plant the seeds of divinity rather than stagnation. We heal, we reflect, we are reborn.

Reality has always been bursting with pilgrims whose lives are engulfed in balance. We are at a crossroads of life-force and illusion. Humankind has nothing to lose.

>>10200705
If you're so curious about how things work at the quantum level maybe you should put down the pipe and pick up a book like Griffiths. If you can understand that maybe, just maybe, people will take what you say seriously. Because I don't think you know what you're talking about.

>>10200727
I made that post using a quantum word salad generator lol, was hoping the quantum nibba would bite

Why is it too ridiculous to at least talk about the idea that western notions of time, western concepts and frameworks of time have always been linear

Rasheedah Phillips offers a brand new alternative, she talks about how Einstein was wrong etc.

>>10201987
can anyone answer this charge?

One could say rasheedah surpassed Einstein. She broke out of the western linear time concept. Einstein didn’t

>>10201987
Because quantum mechanics says that time evolution is generated by a linear operator.

I always thought that time WAS linear (as in it always moves FORWARD, in continuum). However time itself is curved/bent in relativity (different speed). You can't go back.

Am I right?

>>10202026
There’s nothing to answer because you still don’t even know what you mean by time being “linear” or not. You’re just saying words that sound to you like they mean something. They don’t.

>>10203396
well many are saying Rasheedah surpassed Einstein

>>10203589
Many people are scam artists and/or idiots.

>>10203589
Whoever these “many” are, they are wrong. If you’re at all interested in science you should learn the real thing instead of pseudoscientific junk like this.

>>10203589
einstein is a fraud so maybe

>>10203618
her work seems to be more profound than Einstein's

she works outside linear time

>>10203776
Since you don’t understand Einstein’s work, you aren’t able to judge whether or not hers is more profound.

>>10203626
back to /pol/ doube digit iq white nationalist

>>10201987
>>10203589
This woman is an attorney and doesn't know physics or math, why are you listening to her about physics?

So I looked more into this woman and her story. It's already very impressive, she can and has and most likely will continue to do great social work.
Why is she pivoting to this weird pseudo-science stuff instead of using her education as an attorney and social activism to do real and valuable work?

>>10203817
It’s probably just a small side project for her. Look at the Amazon page for the book, it’s an 84 page pamphlet about how black people can have visions of the future and manifest the futures they want or whatever. You see this kind of garbage from people everywhere, black or otherwise.

>>10203776
>she works outside linear time
You can keep repeating the buzzwords that she used to sell books all you want. It doesn't make the stuff she does important, or even coherent.

>>10199988
its funny, because there are plenty of African American scientists such as Ben Carson, Guion Bluford, Benjamin Banneker, and Charles Lewis Reason.

>>10203891
reason is considered to be on the same level as gauss

>>10203918
Do you just randomly generate these posts by picking an arbitrary black scientist or mathematician and an arbitrary white one and say they’re on the same level? I was really interested in this and looked him up only to find there aren’t any discoveries or theorems he proved at all on his wiki page.

>>10199736
niggers are fucking retarded and observational science isn't culture-relative

sage

why can't you guys actually debate Rasheeda's ideas?

>>10204112
No "ideas" have been presented, just buzzwords.

The idea that quantum mechanics has "nonlinear time" is completely baseless. Time evolution in quantum mechanics is generated by a linear operator. Time is a one dimensional parameter. I don't know why you refuse to read all the other posts that already tell you why this whole idea is bullshit.

Give me a single peer-reviewed article that uses these ideas to make predictions or bring clarity to anything. Just one. Anything besides a shitty popsci book. If this person is the next Einstein, surely lots of actual research is talking about it.

>>10204118
Well at least she understands quantum mechanics probably better than Einstein did. Remember Einstein denied quantum mechanics

>>10204112
Why don't you actually debate this post >>10203808

Look if you want a black man that is actually a physicist and has actually done work just look up to Sylvester James Gates.

>>10204502
isn't Gates considered the greatest living physicist too?

>>10199736
DAS RITE MUFUGGA

>>10204831
No

>>10200129
>niggers don't think about the future
shocking revelation.

>>10199935
>What kind of apparatus did they use to detect quantum effects?
The pyramids

>>10204849
Why would you think about something that doesn't exist lol