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My intel tells me according to metrics and experience this is the smartest board. Can we finish this quandary once and for all, I see it on every board. Is race correlated to intelligence?

>> No.10195699

>>10195695
yes very strongly

>> No.10195770

>>10195699
link mr dubs?

>> No.10195786
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>>10195695
>this is the smartest board
Hey buddy, I think you've got the wrong door, the leather club's two blocks down.

>> No.10195842

>>10195695
Race isn't a real thing, but minorities are less educated overall. It's an economic inequality issue. If you live in poverty or experience poverty then you're less likely to get higher education, and minority stress along with any trauma has been shown to run through families.

>> No.10195853

>>10195770
ye

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

http://www.iapsych.com/iqmr/fe/LinkedDocuments/lynn2010.pdf

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12879450/

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>>10195770
“The New Genetics of Intelligence - Plomin, Nature”

“Genome-wide association meta-analysis in 269,867 individuals identifies new genetic and functional links to intelligence, Nature”

sorry this site blocks Nature links.

There’s more, Lynn and Rushton and ironically Jensen who thought that iq would not turn out to be strongly heritable or genetically influenced and then proved his own hypothesis wrong, these are all good resources.

Here’s another good review

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19695787/

Use sci-hub to unlock the articles.

>> No.10195861

>>10195695
intelligence maybe
IQ no
IQ is a meme like the field of psychology

>> No.10195865

>>10195861
Nope iq is correlated strongly with general intelligence which is demonstrably proven to be extremely heritable

>> No.10195930

This might be the smartest board on 4chan.

A retard might be the smartest idiot in a room of retards.

>> No.10195934

>>10195695
>this is the smartest board
Nope. That would be >>>/lit/.

>> No.10195953

/sci/ is the most pretentious board. Black people are the most intelligent but least educated. White people are the most deluded and pretentious but educated. I'm not making this up but you won't believe it because you have preconceived notions about races and associate black people with violence.

>> No.10195965

>>10195953
>t. kara boga ooga booga

>> No.10195966

>>10195953
Example: Most people here are white, most people here are deluded out of their fucking minds about how intelligent they are. Most people here are also well educated.

>> No.10195969

>>10195930
>>10195934
>>10195953
>>10195966
>spamming so no one reads the thread
fascinating

>> No.10196004

>>10195842
thts what i thought, i thought scientidtd concluded there is no such thing since the differences are so negligible
>>10195934
/lit/ is for stoners who wish to document thier fun, fuckin pseud hive, this place is the heart of the machine
>>10195953
im not fuckin inbred relax

>> No.10196010

>>10195853
>>10195858
how does genetics equate to intelligence thou there seems to be no evidence showing whats causal? like yea we get it different races diff average but what consituttues intellgence genetically and how can it me detected in thee make up,

>> No.10196046

>>10196010
read the studies

"Genome-wide association meta-analysis of 78,308 individuals identifies new loci and genes influencing human intelligence" (Nature, 2017)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11818967

https://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(17)31092-9

architectonic complexity and connectivity seem to play an important role in higher cognitive function, and additionally there is a strong variance in brain volume, weight, cranial size and head circumference at birth between races. There is also a difference between the sexes, but it is significantly less pronounced and white women still have larger craniums than black males do.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2668913/

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.489.6530&rep=rep1&type=pdf

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/276e/8a04330166924f8c1ce42173cf0d2924dc69.pdf

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8433/5e553e88cfcc13fc9366715dbc21b27f26f5.pdf

>> No.10196073

>>10196046
interesting but i still dont understand how its causal like how would hey prove every intelligent person has these specs, how many people do they test

>> No.10196087

https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2018/may/02/why-genetic-iq-differences-between-races-are-unlikely

our brains stopped evolving long ago i know this isnt the scientific paper but same shit

>> No.10196089

>>10196004
The genetic differences between you and a chimp are negligible and you're around the same intelligence so maybe you're right.

>> No.10196091

>>10195858
>Rushton

He literally thinks Bigger dicks means less intelligence.

>> No.10196106

>>10196087
>>10196089
brainlet

>> No.10196111

>>10196106
kevin mitchell who wrote the article is a leading neurogeneticist
>>10196089
oooo ahhh oooahhh

>> No.10196126

>>10196111
Literally every single point is stupid and thoughtless. Humans have been geographically isolated along the lines of modern racial types for almost 100,000 years. The immune system and the genes that code for its components varies from population to population and many human groups like Jews and isolated hunter gatherers have awful immune systems compared to high population density peoples. Africans are literally resistant to malaria and whites are extremely vulnerable to it, the amount if mutations overcome to produce that beneficial adaptation must have been astronomical. The very existence of geniuses and the unlikelihood that anything more than a few rare alleles working in conjunction produce variants of it disproves the idea that you both cannot overcome the differential of negative to positive, as do many many other traits which are polygenic and vary between races. The next absolutely retarded thing he brings up is the idea that there are only 1 or 2 alleles for most identifying phenos like eye color and limb length, but even dumber he says that this is the thought process behind brain morphology, cortical volume, connectivity, and intelligence, the current research is directly oriented toward the hypothesis that its a polygenic trait that’s affected by a great number of alleles all of which vary in frequency between races and which in aggregate give vast advantages and disadvantages. Finally, he basically ignores that iq is strongly correlated with differences in brain structure and connectivity, and then ignores that this too varies strongly between races and aligns with observed differences in intelligence.

Just adding on to how unrigorous and shameful Mitchell’s rebuttal is, the adaptations that lead to technological advance absolutely must be stored in the genome for progress to be made and to explain why people from primitive socities take multiple generations to assimilate and perform well in these socities.

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>>10195842
Hogwash. Please stop spreading misinformation, you're starting to sound religious.

IQ is a predictor of academic success and wealth, not the other way around.
IQ is five or more times as powerful a predictor as even good personality trait predictors such as conscientiousness. The true relationship between grades, for example, and IQ might be as high as r = .50 or even .60 (accounting for 25-36% of the variance in grades). Conscientiousness, however, probably tops out at around r = .30, and is more typically reported as r = .25 (say, 5 to 9% of the variance in grades). There is nothing that will provide you with a bigger advantage in life than a high IQ. Nothing. To repeat it: NOTHING.
In fact, if you could choose to be born at the 95th percentile for wealth, or the 95th percentile for IQ, you would be more successful at age 40 as a consequence of the latter choice.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289607000219

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289606000171

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.0963-7214.2004.01301001.x

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886909005169

https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/66356/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289605001078

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>>10195695
Rural /pol/tards were investigated and found to be 70 IQ.


>>10196162
Your image is wrong and your sources are bullshit

>> No.10196167

>>10196163
idiot

>> No.10196180

>>10196163
rural white iq is not significantly lower than white urban iq and is still higher than african american’s. The Various retarded things Mitchell and other people like him say whether its not understanding evolutionary genetics or being completely unwilling to do the legwork to actually make inferences about hidden variable, these are all just obfuscations of what’s plainly obvious. Heritability implies differences in the frequency of alleles between populations, small selection pressures work in big and small populations and many polygenic traits which are extremely sensitive to negative mutations like those that code for the immune system, are capable of not only overcoming that purgative and suppressive force but vary themselves starkly between populations.

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>>10196162
Sorry, correct image posted now

>> No.10196798

>>10196126
so who should i listen to, you or the neurogeneticist who is endorsed by steven pinker

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>>10195953
>Black people are the most intelligent
>I'm not making this up

I don't know why I just laughed out loud at this

>> No.10198022

>>10197617
"Humor is something that thrives between man's aspirations and his limitations. There is more logic in humor than in anything else. Because, you see, humor is truth." - Victor Borge