/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10176554
Duhh just remove the C and you're left with O2. How is that hard?

Does anyone know why we don't crisp some antiradiation genes into alge and shoot it over there?

>>10176615
>lichen already survives in martian conditions
>make it black so it absorbs light, heats up the surface
>melt the ice caps

Good idea if you're playing the long game. Not a good idea for winning the competition, unfortunately. It seems they want a quick, non-bio solution.

>>10176554
>muh mars
We are never getting off this rock are we?

now hear me out, what if we did something like this:
6CO2 + 6H2O + E = C6H12O6 + 6O2.

>>10176625
did you just solve riemann?

>>10176621
Just ship some and then constantly ship more for like 50 years till we get closer to sending a human there. Straight up one way, parachute with 3000lbs of lichen.

Start a bidding war, you'll pay 40 mill max a launch, unlimited launches. Let's some billionaire make more money. Just get a green Mars.

It wasn't just any old "other molecules" when I read about this. They were demanding sugars...

>>10176621
>melt the icecaps
>before generating a magnetic field as radiation shield
Breh

>>10176689
How can we do this? Is this a nuke in the center of Mars movie idea?

>>10176554
Enzymes, that's how it's done Earth.

>>10176693
You can have many sattelites in orbit which carry coils made out of superconducting material to generate very high fields, but you might need very much of them. You can limit the amount by having them orbit at an altitude where they remain at a position exactly between the sun and Mars since the sun is the source of most of the radiation anyway

>>10176704
like this?

OP makes a thread about a competition to turn co2 into carbohydrates.

Autists start talking about terraforming techniques.

>>10176625
Water may be pretty hard to find. Polar ice is practically useless. Unless there is water at the equator you won't have the energy you need.

>>10176554
fuck, and here I am thinking CO2 catalysis research was just a meme.

There are plenty of catalysts that can be used to turn CO2 into methanol for fuel. Pic related is the George Olah plant in Iceland. They use some sort of patented heterogenous catalysis to convert CO2 to MeOH and dioxygen using electrolytically-produced hydrogen as a feedstock.

>>10176554
you could use nuclear fusion as energy to create new molecules on mars with the presence of raw elements. (Have a concentrated nuke blast with raw metals around it) Terra-forming technology is the answer

>>10176624
Poor Konata.
She is smol.

:(

>>10176793
Energy is not the problem. It's about efficiently generating oxygen from existing molecules.

CO2 into O2 is best done through electrolysis. Suppose the CO2 could be run through the water in the form of lime water. Then O2 could be strained through either a Janus Particle Filter OR The Frequential MIT Water Filter and the water itself could be recycled. Full proof.

>>10176554
how the fuck would you convert CO2 into complex molecules like sugars without involving enzymes? Inorganic catalysts can do stuff like conversion of CO2 to methanol, and you can make acetic acid from CO2 and methane. I could imagine there might be some sort of system that could get you to glyceraldehyde. But glucose? I don't think anyone has ever even come close.

>>10176818
By first turning it into O2.

>:O

>>10176611
dude pyrolysis lmao

>dig hole
>put lid
>put lamps
>put nitrogen in (filter it with temperature/pressure) and add a teaspoon of co2
>put water in (melt it from ice outside)
>plant plants
>plants breakdown co2 into o2 and some weird hydrocarbon material that might be useful

The contractors are Boeing and Lockheed Martin and the cost estimates are very reasonable for such massive project. For about a trillion a small scale demonstrator could be made in 50 years.

>>10176834
Wait. Say that again...

>>10176621
>melt the ice caps
>all the water evaporates
gee thanks

>>10176837
>For about a trillion a small scale demonstrator could be made in 50 years.
Give me 30 billion and I will do it in 20.

>>10176843
Ok anon, check your bank account.

>>10176837
See
>>10176621

The starch they requested isn't made by plants iirc.

>>10176554
Give me a link you fucking idiot, I need to apply my 155 IQ to simple chemistry.

>>10176689
Are you retarded buddy?

There's already ways, NASA is literally asking a meme question basically equating to "CAN WE STRIP CO2 LIKE WE DO H2O, HELP US WE'RE RETARDED"

You can already use
>Literally any plant
>GM yeast/other microbes
>Fluoride catalzation
>Neutron bombardment
>I'm sure theres much more that I don't know off hand

What a disgusting question from an equally disgusting organization.

>>10176803

This could work. You're an idiot though cause' I'm stealing your idea~

>>10176554
It is relatively easy to turn CO2 and water into various plastics and hydrocarbons, just basic chemistry. Zubrin has been working on this stuff for years.

>>10176554
I think it's stupid to get money for photosynthesis or electrolysis.

>>10176750
Yes pretty much. But its not clear to me how large a coil and how many you need to achieve this. Superconductors are fundamentally limited by critical temperature, critical field and critical current. Critical temperature you get for free with most materials in space, but field and current would limit how big you could make the field of the magneto shield.

huh, have they ever heard of photosynthesis? lmao

>>10176843
I'm sorry but all cost estimates provided to us by Boeing and Lockheed Martin as well as independent experts have shown values greatly exceeding 30 billion.
Space is hard, space is expensive. We cannot waste the public's time and money chasing conman promises.

>>10177067

>.We cannot waste the public's time and money chasing conman promises

oh, like every war ever? people will buy into it easily

>>10176615
Because much of the scientific community goes apeshit at the idea of "contamination" of any kind. A lot of papers that are to be written could be at stake if someone were to land something confirmed to carry microbes or similar... And then you have the radical environmentalists.

You may fool everyone else but not me, NASA. I won't be tricked into fixing global warming.

>only available to US citizens

Good luck muritards

If you turned every CO2 molecule on Mars into Oxygen the atmosphere would still not be breathable, you need to add like 900millibars of nitrogen/oxygen to make it workable.

Just plant trees.

just plant some trees lmao

>>10176693
A big fucking monopole magnet in orbit

>>10178603
>>10178611
Don't be stupid, tree's would die on mars.
We should give the trees some sort of oxygen mask so they don't die

>>10176615
Because there's an unknown active methane source on Mars, which suggests life is already there. Also based on the mass extinction in the Atacama after it rained for the first time in 500 years, any attempt to alter the environment would likely kill them all.

>>10176554
plant a tree
what do i win?

>>10178603
>>10178611
>>10179228
make an artificial tree and leave it there