/sci/ - Science & Math

Lmao oh no no no look at the top of this dude's head!

They eventually hit difficulty levels where they have to study, but yes i've seen total slackers ace exams because they are high iq. It's pretty infuriating.

They're only a little bit smarter than normies.

Being a little bit smarter is a huge advantage though.

Apparently Stephen Hawking only worked 2 hours a day as an undergrad. Galois read a text book in the same way you might read a novel. But they're probably >200 iq if iq has any meaning at that level.

145iq would need to study hard to finish top of the class at a top institution

>>10161712
I'm guessing the difficulty ceiling comes in grad school and everything undergrad is a breeze for people with a 145+ IQ.

>>10161702
>Do people with very high IQs (145+) need to study?
yes. How else will you learn?

>>10161729
Passive absorption of knowledge. Imagine listening to a lecture for the first time and understanding the material covered in depth and being able to solve any problem related to the material. Just from listening, no practice at all. This is what I imagine it's like to be high IQ.

>>10161733
>This is what I imagine it's like to be high IQ.
I am a high IQ person. This is not how it works. High IQ is an efficiency multiplier on study time, not a substitute for study time,

>>10161737
What is your IQ?

>>10161741
bought tree fiddy

>>10161737
>I am a high IQ person. This is not how it works. High IQ is an efficiency multiplier on study time, not a substitute for study time,
Then your IQ might not be high enough, because it seems like it does work like this for some people.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/peter-scholze-becomes-one-of-the-youngest-fields-medalists-ever-20180801/
>After high school, Scholze continued to pursue this interest in number theory and geometry at the University of Bonn. In his mathematics classes there, he never took notes, recalled Hellmann, who was his classmate. Scholze could understand the course material in real time, Hellmann said. “Not just understand, but really understand on some kind of deep level, so that he also would not forget.”

>>10161791
The only thing anecdotes like this should tell you is that self-promotion is vastly more important than you think it is. If you already know the answer to something but pretend like you're doing it real-time, you look like a genius.
Von Neumann is well-documented for doing the same shit. So is Feynman.

>>10161816
>>10161791
This. Top students study ahead of lectures. Scholze probably read about university level maths when he was a teenager

>>10161791

The three or four smartfags in my math class don't take notes, they just listen and occasionally take pictures of proofs on the board. They'll complete in a few hours, without errors, an assignment that takes me days to complete.

I really hate having a low IQ; eight hours of my study time is an hour or two of a high IQ person's.

>>10161837

False, I'm the >>10161838 brainlet. I study all the material ahead of time, some of it since I was back in high school, and still struggle.

People don't like to believe IQ is a major determiner of success because of muh hard work pays off culture, but you start to see how important it is in the higher level upper divs, and even moreso in grad school. You can't make up for over 25 IQ points just by working hard.

>>10161847
>I study all the material ahead of time, some of it since I was back in high school, and still struggle.
okay, so you're a brainlet.
How is that supposed to be related to what the top students are doing?

>>10161838
I feel you, so much work goes unrecognized as it's not a struggle for people you compete with. I just try to do my best and look for inner peace.

>>10161838
>>10161859
Do you not think it could come down to study technique?

I was struggling a lot on an earlier stage, putting in insane amount of hours and getting minimal grades.

Then I changed up my technique; completely ditched by phone, starting eating better, exercising and now I'm able to do things very efficiently and get high grades.

>>10161904

Study technique and physical health are very important, but I would wager the correlation is not as high as it is with raw IQ.

The fact is, IQ is very important and IQ differences take Herculean effort to overcome. We just have to make our peace with that, as >>1016185 pointed out.

Depends. My IQ got me master's in compsci with minors at math. Dunno how high it is, but I didn't really study until university. Breezed through primary education and high school like nothing. To this day I'm baffled that people who can't pass high school exists.

That's pretty much how it works. I just sit in on lectures, ask questions that are somewhat related in order to connect it to my own interpretations, and then do my homework. I don't need to spend additional time studying except when I need to memorize the names of theorems, since that's pretty much the only thing that can't be deduced when it comes to math. If I didn't have to memorize the names of theorems, then I wouldnt have to do any studying to get A's on my exams because the material comes naturally to me. The majority of my "studying" is thinking of more challenging problems that incorporate aspects of multiple classes that I'm taking, and writing my own papers on problems that I invent. For example last year I was taking intro to abstract algebra and linear algebra one term, so I just started to piece them together and came up with a fairly modern spin on finite field theory on my own without any outside sources.

So it's not really that I don't study, but rather that I have a very different version of studying than everyone else. I pretty much never study for my specific classes and I don't need to prepare for exams very much, but I would still say that I spend around 10 hours a day "studying" by simply thinking about math and coming up with the material on my own, writing down any thoughts that are particularly interesting.

Never really had to learn studying even in university, I suppose had I known how to study well I'd have done even better and took less time. This way I studied like 3-7 hours per exam, got my degree in Computer Science with like 3.7 or something if you convert it to American GPA.

I'm still dedass lazy and one of the people working in tech that are absolutely not bothered by any new tech, don't bother to keep up and just learn tech when they are assigned to a project.

I don't have ambition to become project lead or anything of the sorts so absorbing knowledge as it is needed should be fine.

>>10162088
to add to that: Mensa Meme IQ of 141. And heavily depressed. My life basically alternates between working and sleeping as I sleep 10-12 hours a day.

>>10161702
idk lol. i just sit in class and get everything the teacher is saying. i find it really hard to not fall asleep too. its especially hard in philosophy where i actually do fall asleep for a good half the class. it is strange though because the people learning that course with me still seem to have mastered the material less.

desu the highest iq thing is going after challenging questions. i only do the low quality ones if i have to or if im feeling slightly uncomfortable (though i only really ever feel uncomfortable on my own self-studies)

>>10162072
that's actually pretty cool. i should try that

>>10161838
Ik how you feel, my IQ is 103 the last I checked.

>>10161838
Ik how you feel, my IQ is 103 the last I checked.
>>10162070
Usually it's due to many factors, like extreme poverty or bad studying habits.

>>10161791
>Scholze could understand the course material in real time
Was he doing the assigned reading before the class so that the lecture was a review for him rather than an initial presentation? I dispute the notion that there exist people so smart that they don't need to study math to become experts in math.

I was pursuing a PhD in physics a while back. Some of the international students wouldn't take notes. It wasn't that they were learning it in real time, which is how they liked it to be perceived, it was that our grad level stuff is what they learned in high school and remastered in college already before seeing it a third time in the USA PhD.

>>10161702
I have a pretty high IQ, but not that high. Essentially, you've pinpointed it. Studying isn't necessary because time in class listening etc is sufficient. However, after a certain threshold that stops and studying becomes necessary, intuition isn't enough once a certain abstract layer is reached. For people with higher and higher IQ, this level comes later and later in their education/lives etc, or as soon as they start giving a shit and start aiming higher than what their environment demands

I got fucked pretty badly once I reache dthat threshold, never having to study and then suddenly really needing to but not having that structure and know how, studying is a skill

>>10161791
>Scholze could understand the course material in real time
Was he doing the assigned reading before the class so that the lecture was a review for him rather than an initial presentation? I dispute the notion that there exist people so smart that they don't need to study math to become experts in math.

I was pursuing a PhD in physics a while back. Some of the international students wouldn't take notes. It wasn't that they were learning it in real time, which is how they liked it to be perceived, it was that our grad level stuff is what they learned in high school and remastered in college already before seeing it a third time in the USA PhD.

I absolutely don't believe it. Do you think someone could become a chess grand master by genius alone without playing tens of thousands of games of chess? Academic learning is just like that.

>>10162070
High school is a breeze for anyone with an IQ above 115. The real g-loading starts at college.

>>10161716
His teacher described has having a math "fever" if he spent all his day pondering on math you can be sure that he was able to read textbook as novel

>>10161702
I have an IQ of 155, a gpa of 4.0, and have been at the top of every single class I've taken.
I study a ton. If I didn't study but just did the homework and other required assignments, I could probably still get A's, but I wouldn't excel and would get some things wrong. If I just attended lecture but didn't study, read the textbooks, or do any practice or homework problems, I would certainly struggle in many classes and might even fail some of the most difficult ones. Fully understanding things takes work, regardless of IQ.
>>10161838
They don't take noted because they read the textbook and know where the same material is covered.

>>10162152
>I have an IQ of 155
Which test?

>>10162154
DAS

>>10161702
everyone needs to study
unless you can path out information with your mind and convert it into long term memory
IQ is potential, everything else is on you

>>10162115
from what country were these international students from ? Russia ?

Unless you're a millennial with a very high IQ, then it just means heroin and alcohol addiction

Smart people are very conscious about the info they consume. They want to know if the knowledge they're trying to understand is relevant or irrelevant to their goals. For example, Stephen Wolfram only reads the mathematical equations of a paper and ignores the long ass texts (he said the texts are irrelevant and the equations say it all). Smart programmers are very nitpick about their libraries, tools and their learning resources.

Since smart people like high quality, direct to the point, and functional knowledge. They study topics that are hard to understand but very useful once mastered. Smart people are tend to be lazy, and they create schemes to do everything the easy way.

On the other hand, dumb faggots consume every kind of info. They're not very good at telling the difference between a good information and a noise.

Since dumb people can't tell much the quality of a knowledge, they tend to memorize info (or brute force learning) instead of inspecting the info (is there a way to understand this fast?, etc). Note: dumb people can be earnest, but that does not matter if you're inefficient at learning. The greatest blunder of the dumb is that he thinks hard work is a virtue.

Smart people are fast at thinking because they have organized their heads in years of accumulating knowledge and experiences at trial & error. Meanwhile, dumb faggots have little room for growth since they have a lot of garbage in their minds.

Also, experienced intellectuals don't think they're smart enough. But everyone thinks they are above-average (including the retards).

>>10162093
Surprises me that this many people take IQ tests desu. I only took one because I failed out of middle school and took the WISC-IV. I got into the 99th percentile on the matrix reasoning portion.

I don't really feel super smart desu but I usually am at the top of my brainlet class if I try.

>>10162203
Students from most of Europe will experience that in the first two years of an American PhD, in my experience. Russia is actually one of the patchier countries, since education in Russia is either elite or mediocre without much in between. Even Canadian students generally have a mild advantage over Americans in terms of background, although much less pronounced.
Indians and Chinese are a crapshoot because you never have any idea how much of their background is phoney. I've lost count of the amount of times I've met Chinese grad students who claimed to be completely unaware of extremely elementary mathematics (basic linear algebra seems to be a huge sticking point for Chinese for some reason; I've seen them ask what "trace" means, what a characteristic polynomial is, how to diagonalize a matrix, other things like that).

>>10161859
>I just try to do my best and look for inner peace.
This is the only solution, OP.

>all these memers who are claiming to be able to deduce mathematical knowledge that took hundreds of years of bumbling progress to obtain on the day of the test

>>10162115
Knowing Scholze, I would say that he had sufficient intution, both natural and built up from studies, and that allowed him to make deep connections as he came across them. It's very possible he was "learning in real-time".

That being said, he now studies his ass off. It's been a year or two since my officemate went out to see him, but he described him as studious.

>>10162152

The class doesn't follow any specific textbook, so you can read, but there's no guarantee you'll read what is going to be covered in lecture. No, there's no assigned reading either. You just have to guess and figure it out. They've just all read some textbook covering all the class material all the way through, there's no other way I can conceive of besides gargantuan IQ that they'd be able to pick things up as quickly as they seem to (answer every question the lecturer gives correctly and immediately)

>>10161791
He's so pretty :D and also he's the one that said BTFO Mochizuki!

My IQ was professionally tested as 140 but I need to study seriously to get good grades and I’m a college freshman.

>>10161837
this is what I did for all my intro to whatever classes and I had undergrads worshipping me. At that point, your ego pretty much forces you to pretend like you'd never seen the material before.

>>10162115
>it was that our grad level stuff is what they learned in high school
You are either lying or attend a shit school.

>>10161702
I don't think that it would be safe to say that skill is entirely dependent on IQ, and there are several other variables to consider.

>>10162940
This is extremely reassuring. 144 and spend all day every day studying to get good grades.

>>10161838
You are oversimplifying. I know this because this is how I think, and those words have come out of my mouth many times.

Analyze data before you come to a conclusion.

>>10162940
>>10162981
There is no way, my IQ is only a few points higher and I got straight A's throughout undergrad with barely any attendance and mostly just reading the material a week before exams

>>10161702
Everyone has to study, no one can retain information several months on unless they keep practicing to strengthen neural connections.

>>10161837
>>10161816
Brainlet cope. I'm too dumb to ace university level math like this but I remember back in middle and high school I could ace most tests others had to study for just by occasionally showing up to class. This made the hardworking wannabe smart femoids in my class quite jealous.

>>10161851
They don't study you retard. They don't need to.

>>10161904
>study technique
Can improve or decrease your performance, but people who can simply absorb shit by listening - or even just come up with it themselves - absolutely exist. And yes, it is utterly depressing to be around them, and yes, it makes brainlets like me want to kill themselves.

>>10162107
>studying habits.
Can't you read? That guy didn't study. I believe him because I didn't study either.

>>10161702
The funniest thing I have seen is a 140 IQ brainlet waltz into a math quiz of 170 IQs.

He tried so hard to not seem like a brainlet, only to have his hopes and dreams crushed as his own team mates started jeering his solutions to problems.

I have never seen an autist run crying out of a room until that day.

It was like watching a German Blitzkrieg decimate a harmless Polish village. Absolutely savage.

>>10163022
You're probably attending a shit school or lying.

>>10163039
pls be fake

This is legit my nightmare.

>>10161702
IQ 130-150 is going through high school without ever stuyding, 150-170 going through undergrad of easier majors (business, law, etc.) without ever studying, and with >170 IQ you can go through any undergrad and the gradual level of the easier majors without studying.

>>10163039
wtf were you even doin there anon? you are clearly a brainlet too

>>10163053
My IQ must be under 130 because I had to learn solutions to polynomials and trigonometry

>>10163049
Neither those other LARPers are just lying about their IQ

>>10162940
Do you go to an elite school? Also, 140 isn't that special. It's not very common, true, but you're probably not even in the top 10 of your year if you go to a cognitively intensive program in a decent school.

The IQ people are talking of in this thread is shit like 160, 170.

>>10163060
Well, I wasn't talking about passing high school with all As, you definetely need to study to do that on any level regardless of your IQ. "Go through" meant being able to do it with average grades or better.

>>10163072
But you had to be able to figure out trigonometry and all the nasty polynomial formulae on the fly. I'm not sure I could even do that now.

>>10163084
Well, having a rudimentary understanding should be enough to have a decent grade.

>>10163057
I was passing papers. I'm pretty sure he ran off and became a trap afterwards lol

>>10163108
Wtf?! Is this really a thing? Why are there so many stories about people becoming traps if they get btfo hard enough?!?

>>10163112
Figurative emasculation invokes physical emasculation. The weakling decides he must always have wished to be a woman to cope with his submission.

>>10163053
I got through high school without studying once and my IQ is certainly not 130+

>>10163114
N-Nani?

>>10163114
it does what now?

>>10163118
You are halfway there already. Did somebody bully you in school? Maybe rape?

Either way you can't cope with the fact that you're a failure of a man so you decide you are actually a woman (for whom weakness and submission is normal and acceptable)

Yes. I have to study like I have to breathe. It's just that my studying isn't limited to the curriculum of the university course I happen to be on.

>not being addicted to forming intuitions
shiggy diggy

>>10163121
No, and also no, what the hell is wrong with this planet?

>>10163022
I took the test twice at an actual psych and got three standard deviations above the mean both times. Yet when I don’t study, I have shit grades, and I have to put in genuine effort in order to get truly good results.

>>10163138
Are you from some brown people country? You can be 3sd above mean in India and still just barely break 120 in Europe.

>>10161702
Yes, at some point muscle memory/practice starts becoming a limiting factor.
t. Anon with an IQ of 150

>>10163185
When did you first have to study? Do people with IQs of 130 seem retarded to you?

>>10161702
>Do people with very high IQs (145+) need to study? Or can they just be exposed to one example problem and deduce all possible possible permutations of that problem that are likely to show up on an exam and call it a day without needing any practice at all?
I'd say both. During the whole university I did studied, but only for a few hours before the exam. That was really all I needed, I could learn straight from book or wikipedia articles. The best way for me was to just look up the symbolic definition and it would just fall into place forming coherent, logical whole. I never attended any lecture after first year, they were boring me to death, I could grasp whole course in one day anyway. I never did notes too.
My peers didn't believed me, for them studying was a slow process where they would rewatch online lectures, do a lot of exercises, Many of them couldn't even keep up with lectures and they were just vacantly write down everything from the board and then try to figure it out at home. What I also discovered is that many people try to learn how to solve given problems using tools instead of trying to understand the tools themselves. I always look at some new tool/theorem/framework by understanding the motivation behind these, it's limitations and reason. Knowing that, solutions to problems just comes to my mind by intuition, not by memorizing algorithms.

>>10161733
I could do it like that if you speed up the lectures like 5 times. I just couldn't focus when I had to sit trough half an hour of facts that are obvious from the definition.

>>10161904
I don't think it's just study technique. I don't have anything specific like that.
However I do have high IQ, and I was programming since I was in primary school. I practically did nothing but self-studied math and CS during my childhood and that's probably what boosted my intuition, logical thinking etc, which makes learning so much easier.

t. 156 IQ(Cattell - Mensa)

>>10162218
>he said the texts are irrelevant and the equations say it all
>Since smart people like high quality, direct to the point, and functional knowledge. They study topics that are hard to understand but very useful once mastered. Smart people are tend to be lazy, and they create schemes to do everything the easy way.
This so much

>>10163173
I’m from Western Europe. Just accept your anecdotal evidence isn’t a general truth.

>>10161702
People will high IQs go to class without taking notes and then just do the assignments and tests without studying and still ace it all. Only really high IQ people could do that.

>>10163287
I wish I could murder you. That's all I've got to say to you, really.

The reason we need those tools is because we cannot form intuitions for patterns as complex as you can, just like a computer with more RAM can run more complex programs.

>>10163287
Imagine what you have, except much less pronounced. I was always much smarter than my peers as a kid, and acquiring knowledge was effortless until about high school. Then I hit things I couldn't just derive in my head during a test. I can still learn much more quickly than my peers, but I need to put in real effort and do a bunch of excercises if I want to pass exams in subjects with a lot of novel math or theoretical questions.

I had to do excercises to learn tricks for integration and differentiation, and I sure as hell had to use the standard solution tables because I can't just rederive that shit in my head. I can form basic intuitions about broad concepts very quickly, but to reason about them rigorously I need to put in work. So on and so forth. That's the existence of the brainlet.

People like you make me want to kill myself, because being smart was all I had - I'm not good looking, I'm not athletic, I don't have a singing voice or whatever. But I was always the smartest kid around. Only upon reaching adulthood I realized just what an enormous gulf of ability seperates me from the truly intelligent people like you. It's like I'm an inferior copy of something vastly better. I can pose as smart to the normalfags, they will never know the difference, but that's all I fucking can do - pose. Pretend. Imitate. Puff myself up as something greater than I am.

I hate you, but only because you make me hate myself.

According to my psychiatrist my IQ is 160, but my brain is mangled with delusional thinking and paranoia. I just drink a lot and live like a hermit. Can barely hold a job much less attend a university. I'm approaching 25 and feel retarded. Because of the meds I've been on for years I feel myself getting dumber. Why couldn't I be a normie?

IQ is measured based on your brain's ability to make connections and recognize patterns. It doesn't make you know everything just because you can guess the next shape in a sequence.

> all these brainlets not studying things for fun
wtf

>>10161702
It depends on the difficulty of the topic and your prior intuition on the subject. I estimate my IQ is between 115-130 and I never picked up a book outside of school after 6th grade until 12th grade, in class I would listen to the explanation in the beginning for 15 minutes, or read ahead if it was boring, and when the teacher told us to do exercises I would do them because it was quiet and you couldn't talk or do something else. I would also never know when the tests were or even care about it. I got the equivalent to A's and B's. I studied physics in college and it was pretty much the same but I was aware of the tests and exams and tried to be aware if I was on top of the material (didn't do it in high school because I always was), if not I would take a week or two to study. Since my IQ isn't that high I wouldn't do that well if I didn't study a lot but since in my college there were a lot of brainlets (top 200 maybe?) I was still in the top 20%

>>10163365
>I had to do excercises to learn tricks for integration and differentiation, and I sure as hell had to use the standard solution tables because I can't just rederive that shit in my head.
That how it was for me too, though. I'm studying CS so I didn't had much of calculus, but I hated things beyond integrals. Series, derivatives, limits, etc all were baby easy. But I could not get any good intuition on solving complex integrals. These tables that just werks and few theorems that you had to pick in a way that was incomprehensible for me. Tbh I exploited scoring system and kind of tricked professor into passing final calculus course without even doing anything. I guess I just didn't developed intuition for non-discrete math.
But I love the latter though. Combinatorics, logic, algorithms, theoretical CS, cryptography were all really fun and set theory was my favorite part. All these things came at ease for me.

>People like you make me want to kill myself, because being smart was all I had - I'm not good looking, I'm not athletic, I don't have a singing voice or whatever.
Life is not about being the best though. If you are above the average, you are still better than majority of people. Use that power to make your life into something that you enjoy instead of something others will be jelly of.
For example, I wish I had people who could make me feel dump. Like a mentor or a rival, someone I could use to better myself. And I had people like that but I outgrew them in no time. And then, when you are at the top, then what? There is no reward, the real fun is not in getting there but in the adventure. It's fun to learn new things, to solve new problems, to create something, to use your skills to get a good job and hobby and have a comfortable life. It's these things that motive me, not making people think I'm a genius.

>>10163447
cont.

/sci/ will call me brainlet because I study CS or dislike calculus, but I don't care. I do it because I prefer to spend time practicing programming and building new service I'll use with friends to stream anime, instead of learning part of math I don't enjoy and hardly see myself using in the future. For me learning these things is just for fun,

>>10161702
You are just a dickhead

>>10161702
No, you need an IQ of at least 200 before you can just automatically deduce every past present and future state of everything in the universe by simply observing literally any object in existence.

Wtf 117iq here and I barely had to study all when I was doing undergrad math/phys. The assignments in the book were enough. I'm great at retaining information though so I'd say that's better than a high IQ in the scope of undergrad classes. Being able to deduce I'm a lot weaker at, but that level is so low in undergrad.

>>10163065
>Do people with very high IQs (145+) need to study?

Read the OP please

>>10163640
140 isn't 145+

>>10163447
>Combinatorics, logic, algorithms, theoretical CS, cryptography were all really fun and set theory was my favorite part. All these things came at ease for me.
Because those things are easy. Even for me. All you need is training in rigorous logic. Any brainlet can be trained to think with rigour, and once they do, all permutations of logic come easy.
>Life is not about being the best though
Easy to say when you're at the top. What's the point of doing anything when some hiQ kike can just roll in and do it better with no effort? If intelligence is your only redeeming characteristic, what good are you as a person if you're not at the top of your game? The "hardships" you talk about are trifles. Like a seasoned soldier boasting that he wishes for the enemy to put up a fight. But no soldier really wants that, not at the bottom of their heart. The will to survive trumps that.

>>10163795
>If intelligence is your only redeeming characteristic, what good are you as a person if you're not at the top of your game?
Past a certain threshold, "top of your game" becomes about your actual achievements as opposed to your score on an IQ test.

>>10163795
>If intelligence is your only redeeming characteristic, what good are you as a person if you're not at the top of your game?
Past a certain threshold, "top of your game" becomes about your actual achievements as opposed to your score on an IQ test.

>>10163365

No. You hate people with higher IQ than yourself because leftists and greedy capitalists have manipulated you into believing you could achieve something of significance. Capitalists do not care about setting up false expectations as they can cull delusional people cheaply in job interviews. At the same time, globalization has made hierarchies steeper, so it is in fact harder to achieve anything unless you are exceptional because talent is being pooled from larger populations and work is being automated. Give up your dreams already.

>>10163287
>Cattell
>24 SD

>>10163022

Long-term memory and IQ, or more narrowly, symbol manipulation of the kind one encounters in IQ tests may not be perfectly correlated.

>>10163234
University is when I started to have to work hard or fail.
Nah, almost anyone with a 120+ IQ is clever afterall, unless they're religious.

>>10163287
But that doesn't always work, especially where I study.
Since they're fond of flooding us with info without any theoretical base for it, just straight practical uses.

>>10163039
Super cool LARP tendies-stuffing NEET.

>>10163795
>What's the point of doing anything when some hiQ kike can just roll in and do it better with no effort?
To do it for yourself. To create something you will enjoy or might come in handy to you, to learn new thing and use it on new problems. I can imagine that something less practical than CS might not yield these fruits as easily, but there is always possibility of just increasing your knowledge.
This >>10163841 too. In fact no one really cares that much if you learned something in a day or week or a month. What matters is what you actually archived. IQ doesn't limit you from doing some things, it just requires you to dedicate more time. With enough hard work it wouldn't be hard to beat someone as lazy as me.

>>10163941
That's the scale MENSA is using here. I got my results like that.
I dunno what is the standard since people rarely specify SD in their results. USA Mensa uses Wechsler I think.(which would make me score 135 IQ)

>>10164495
Yeah, I heard about universities like that. My friend literally has to memorize flags, options, outputs, etc for all kind of standard linux commands. On exams he has to write complex commands that output some very specific data in specific format, on paper without any shell or computer to help. What the fuck, I would definitely drop out if I had to study things like that.

>high intelligence
>study
>exam

Pick none

People seem to talk about barely "having" to study as if grades don't matter
I spend a lot of time studying but at the same time I get really good grades. I think I could easily get Cs if I ignored the course and just quickly studied the basics a week before the exam, although admittedly my engineering school isn't really that skilled at testing understanding in exams.

Maybe this explains the discrepancy between those that say they have to study a lot and those that say they don't.

I study just to get C or B, and this is ultimately infuriating. IQ was (and still is) at the level of 90-95. Things do not connect easily in my head, professors act patronizing. Twice it happened that professors just graded me with C and let me not to visit the exam, so I would not be expelled or attend the exam thrice. I feel destroyed.

>>10164950
Nah, it's more nuanced here.
Like "guessing" the solution to differential equations while hardly knowing what that equation is.
t. Physics Undergrad

>>10161702
From my experience they don't deduce all possible problem permutations when exposed to an example, but rather they manage to improvise a solution to the exam problem based on even remotely related examples at will.

>>10161716
Lol "only two hours a day" I graduated with honors in physics and biochem and averaged less than 10 hours a week does that mean I'm a genius?

>>10165594
the stupidest genius apparently

>>10165594
u didn't go to oxford though did u

Not go to school. Self study and towards something that is in their interests. Publications > Grades. If you want to learn something smart people can self teach themselves

>>10165674
True that

>>10161702
Must be quite simple problem then.

>>10161702
Uh, the only advantage I ever got of IQ was, I just understand faster, and this isn't limited to a field, I understand everything faster as imo high IQ = understanding relations faster, and everything can be boiled down to logical relations.

It doesn't make you a genius or anything, you still need to study everything, you just do so at a much faster pace.

Idk if better memory is cause of IQ tho.

I am talking uni shit, not school.

>>10161733
>Passive absorption of knowledge. Imagine listening to a lecture for the first time and understanding the material covered in depth
Till this you were correct, no more than this.

And not even in depth, you would understand just then but forget later.

>>10163064
Lmao sure, shit school more likely or shit stream

The difficulty of a test doesn't relies on what you are studying at all, but the abstract maths you have to use, you could be studying thermodynamics or elasticity and resistance of beams and the difficulty won't come from the physics or the laws, it wil come from the abstract math that prof will put in the exam

and that difficulty never comes up in real life jobs, it just appears in those tests because they have to cut heads, anyone can become engineer with enough time in real life, but in uni they want only a few to succeed so they brand themselves as a corporation that create geniuses

there is also another level of difficulty that comes through random luck, like fucking up some small detail that makes all the exercise go to shit (since they are large questions that require an hour at least to fully answer), i don't really have to study a lot for exams because physics laws are easy to understand and apply, but i always get wreck by some random calculation that makes all the answer go to shit since i lack enough training in book problems to avoid having those issues

>>10166143

Sometimes it feels like who will pass a course is randomnly decided by how you wake up the day of the test or the problems you decided to review some days before, it doesn't seems to be a issue with intelligence but with material to study and foreshadowing

Do your homework anon

>>10163422

>Tfw study math for fun and am still absolute shit at it

This is truly a living hell. Just enough IQ to appreciate that math is beautiful and interesting, nowhere near enough IQ to be good at it.

>>10161702
>very high IQs (145+)
thats a meme

also "not needing to study" is retarded, like, whats the point? **I** would do that, and for no other reason that i am lazy, thats even one of the reasons i chose engineering, during college i'd just take a fast look at a bit of theory before the exam and i was always prepared, i'd even 10/10 sometimes because maths is a discipline that allows you to do that

before i was in a school that required SJW skills, teachers would force me to read 1000 books and then i'd have no choice but read all of that garbage because there was no way around it

>>10166143

>Undergrad physics

>"Abstract math"

Top fucking kek anon. Tedious computations and clever tricks with integral identities are not "abstract".

>>10166143

>anyone can become engineer with enough time in real life

But if it takes you six plus years to learn basic engineering, you clearly don't have the IQ to solve real world engineering problems in real time, which is what engineers actually do. At best you'll be useful in projects directly related to things you've seen in your classes or clubs before. An engineer who can't solve novel problems they haven't studied in depth before is absolutely useless.

>>10166192

Look, you just have to see how Q code is taught in university to the actual workflow in solidworks in real life to see how bullshit university is

>>10166197

I meant G code lmao, maybe i have dyslexia

>>10166187
so based

>>10163039

This sort of attitude in academia is so unwelcoming, come on man that shit's terrible

>>10162120
My IQ is in the low 120s and the only thing that his given me struggle so far is Circuits, which is sadly the 1st class i'l ever have to drop... sigh...

>>10163114
>>10163121
woah it's modern day Freud
based and redpilled AND cringe

>>10161702
>tfw you have an iq of 144

>>10161702
People of that intelligence will most likely have a high level of processing speed, memory, and pattern recognition (which might be considered a by product of processing speed). I don't think they'd be able to what you've described, but when studying, they will absorb the material at great pace, and be able to extrapolate very effectively. but I dunno I'm retarded

Definitely not. Iq only encompasses one part when it comes to human intelligence. India has an avg iq of 70 yet they have produced a lot of philosophers and mathematicians.

Everybody has to study, smart people just have to study less.
t. 139 IQ brainlet

>>10161702
Brainlets study to ace the exam. Smart people study to lay down solid foundation for further learning. If a new concept doesn't come to you easily, you skipped over some crucial insight from earlier.

>>10166166
Hey, you're already ahead of most of the "intelligent" people here who are too stuck-up to challenge themselves. Appreciating the beauty of maths is a rare skill in itself. Also, you might just be too hard on yourself.

>>10162152
I have a near 4.0 GPA (would be perfect 4.0, but two proffessors admitted on lowering my grade because of my atrocious handwriting) and I can attest to that. I never take notes as I find it distracts me rather than helping me retain the material.

I can easily grasp and generalize new concepts, but part of this is thanks to the mathematical maturity I developed through studying.

>>10167192
post handwriting please

>>10166166
Literally me, I'm comically bad at it yet still interested in it. I feel I was meant to be an intelligent person but nature just gave up on me halfway through.

>>10167616

Exactly. I put eight hours a day into an algebra takehome assignment this past week and wasn't able to complete even half of it, despite access to the textbook and course notes. There's just connections that need to be made that I don't have the human CPU to make.

I feel like I'm stumbling in the dark with no way to see and it's frustrating to come to terms with the fact that my IQ is a barrier no amount of study will overcome.

>>10166385

They also have a fucking massive population, so tail of the distribution anomalies are more likely to pop up. You can bet that those philosophers and mathematicians weren't 70 IQ pajeets.

>>10161702

Yes I need to study.

Their are subjects that are to dense too pick up in one book flip.

>>10161702
>he doesn't just have to read through the material once and do a mock exam one day before the real one to get a perfect score

>>10166385
It's funny how everyone on /sci/ claims to be 125+ IQ but retarded non sequitors like this are posted all the time

>>10163287
>I practically did nothing but self-studied math and CS during my childhood
That means that you haven't been learning much for the first time. OP is asking about high IQ people learning material that is new to them.

>>10161702
>>10163060
ah-bloo-bloo

>>10168454

This. People have thought I was smart in uni but in reality I'm a brainlet and self study every course I sign up for over the break so it just looks like I'm able to live up to the professor's standards. When I'm faced with novel material I struggle, as any low IQ individual does

>>10161702
Don't know what my iq is but i assume between 125-130. I didn't do well in high school but i also went to tests and didn't even both filling anything in on the page. I had issues. But anyway managed to pull my shit together in the last year and get good enough results to go to university. Then fucked up my first year because high school mentality and ended up on a 3.0gpa.
Then started studying 8hours a week and moved it to 3.5.
But basically having a medicore iq means i have to study a bit for okay results. But if i don't study at all i either just fail (60% and below in a lot of courses) or scrape by.

>>10168439
I just come here to shitpost tbqh famalama

>>10163631
They are larping or delusional autistics. Also it depends at what university you're at.

>>10163631
Must have a been shit university of a low IQ brainlet like you can graduate without studying tbqh senpai

>>10161716
I don't think enjoying reading a textbook is anything special. I do that and I've never won a nobel prize

>Smart enough to understand in one read
>Not just lazy
>So fucking lazy even attempting to do any work gives me a massive headache
>Get Cs with 0 studying
Videogames are a hell of a drug

>>10169923
>So fucking lazy even attempting to do any work gives me a massive headache

How the FUCK do I get through this? It's always been that I start to yawn or get a headache whenever I start doing shit. What do, /sci/?

>>10170381
what you're describing is probably a conditioned positive punishment against retreading information [initiation of process learned against identified (studying "known" information), headache/yawning/etc response added]. every mind operates with a different set of added capabilities and later instructions, so you have to figure out the source of this positive punishment through examining your memory.

>>10168813
>130 meme iq
>110 real iq
this board is amazing. What you're describing is just... normal life lmfao. You are not 1 in 1000.

>>10170381
Work in an environment free of distractions.
Trick your brain by breaking the work down into tiny bits. First focus on opening the material, then read just one page, then read just one page...

>>10170381
I tried not drinking coffee for a week, and I genuinely could not function in any math class. I went from being very interested to being unable to stop myself from falling asleep in class and while working on assignments. That might be relevant lol.

>>10169923
>>10170488
Could be adhd.

>>10170491
I know, but I don't want to be a meme lmao. Please help.

>>10163053
>all schools are the same
>taking the IQ meme serious
gj bob

>>10162152
What is your methods for studying? In detail.

How do you people even measure your IQs? I cant find legit IQ testes anywhere. I would like to know. I bet i have 100 IQ not even that.