/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10142429

it depends largely how old you are and mature, most of rigorous math becomes understandable when you are older, because you don't really see a point in the rigorosity when you are younger

all the definitions and proves wont make calculating things easier, often times may even complicate things at first

but after a while when you think about these things, how and why number fields need to constructed etc. you'll understand why it was done in this way and you'll also understand the proofs you just memorized or didnt understand at first

most people who study maths dont understand everything and every field, they usually focus on one field and just pass by in the others , i suggest you to do the same and not get hung up on the fact yo udoint understand everything and the point of everything

99.99% of all research is meaningless bullshit, because to get ahead you ahve to produce something rather than something meaningful

set your priorities, and if your goal is to contribute something meaningful, start working on problems , because research that is problem oriented is the most honest and also fruitful

>>10142429
>What the fuck should i do?
Take a course at a University. Biomedical doesnt really teach that much in depth compared to mech and electrical egineering.
Since you are interested in those fields i would suggest that ECE is probably the best choice for your tastes and aspirations.
If you are not taking an engineering course then there isnt much of a point to start already reading books about maths and electronics. IMO it would be best to start up as a hobby to get you more into it. Either programming, making robots using arduino or some shit like that.

>>10142429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1zDuOPkMSw

>what the fuck is the point?
there is none, thats why i became a neet after getting my degree

>>10142429
>hurr i want to be super famous/influential/make huge innovation
It's not going to happen and it doesn't sound like you're in it for the right reasons.
T. Mech. E

>>10142429
>I want to become an engineer of some sort (electrical, mechanical or biomedical).
That's three completely different things. Sounds like all you care about is being called an engineer, not really what it encompasses

>>10142429
You're right, but do it anyways bc otherwise you'll be poor as fuck, and doing a job even less enjoyable and interesting than eng

>>10142836
What’s the point of being a neet then?

>>10143083
There isn't one. Don't be a NEET

>>10142429
Engineering is boring as hell that's shy.

>>10143083
>>10143112

I am a neet

I want to work, but for someone who appreciates it and not because they think they are doing me a favor.

why should I kiss someones ass if I don't have to. would you?

>>10143195
Then work, anon. Please, please don't sit idle (you WILL regret it). Do not expect the first job you get to be your dream job. The reason you must work is to get money and capital so you don't starve. Every single one of your ancestors over thousands of years worked, don't break the chain. You kiss ass because it gets you something you need.
You will never work for someone who "appreciates it." You will work for someone that is a little bit ahead of you and is advancing their own goals. Do not let this dishearten you, and keep your eyes on your prize.

>>10143195
the EE in NEET stands for Electrical Engineering

>>10143207
Starvation is the motivator in third world countries. Nobody who frequents /sci/ can live on the edge of starvation for the simple fact that he or she hast a device and access to internet.

you are a victim of capitalism and you lost all respect for yourself.

the only work that will really feed you reliably is doing farmwork yourself but that was the need of the past, we have society now where feeding oneself means sometimes working on oneself and not working for others.

In your world an artist should never create an artwork if there is no commission for it because that would mean he would spend the time he could work for others to work for himself.

Imagine if everyone would think like that.

I will work if someone needs my work.

>>10142429
>I want to become an engineer of some sort
No you don't. This meme ruined my life. I have a job that pays $62k a year in downtown Seattle installing thermostats in elementary schools. The median income is here is $120k, so I'm almost at the threshold to qualify for low income housing. Still, it's better than my friend from school who weren't able to find any jobs at all.

>>10143207

Nice try Shlomo.
There is no "price" that can be achived by working. You will just achieve wasting your life persuing other people's interest.

Reality is, a worker is the price, human time cannot be weighted with any sum of paper, and exploitation of man by man should have been long gone in the 21st century.

>>10143279
Fuck off communist kike

>>10143278
Wouldn't you be able to manufacture them yourself with the knowledge you required in university? why pick a job that is not even the one you studied? sounds to me that you just wanted a low risk, low effort job.

>>10143249
>>10143279
>dude theres actually more dignity in being a dumb commie NEET
Good luck, anon

>>10143316

Better a cumminist kike than a braindead enableist of wageslavery.

>>10143342
Have fun living off your parents/the gubmint

>>10143335

Of course. Many smart human (Einstein, Tolstoy, Dostojewski, Franklin) ware in some sense "commies". Independent minded, not serving authority, virtuous for their community and mankind.

It's the dumb imbred lords and clergy who keep holding humanity back while performing the same useless rituals year after year and indulging in hedonism behind closed doors.

>>10143379
None of the people you listed were fond of/aware of the marxist disease. Socialism is not marxism. Come back after youve work a single day in your life.

>>10143346
>Implying big industry or even small business is not the main user of government subsidies compared to individuals

>Implying a free market has ever solved any problem and hasn't degraded to theft, human abuse, criminality, bribery and monopoly.

Can't you marxist fags just stay on >>>/his/?

>>10143387

You were the one to mention Marx.

>>10143335
>>10143346
prehistoric world view

times have changed grandpa

slavery is over

>>10143398
How's salary related to science?

>>10143400
So how will get groceries every week?

>>10143400
>slavery is over
Fags say this every 100 years

>>10142429
I want to be an electrical engineer too but im 27 and i just figured out how to move the letters representing numbers in equations around. I like electricity and magnets though and I hope to someday understand maxwells equations and make my jewish mother proud

>>10143415
Someone has to drive them to town, someone has to stock them.

Communism expects voluntary work, as the consequence is starvation of your population.

But it's much less people involved compared to capitalism, where people have to outcompete each others and work for the benefit of the CEO instead of the benefit of themselves.

Eventually robots take over.

>>10142429
Become a scientist then. Or don't do Civil, you aren't changing the world by building a bridge.

>>10143434
What? I'm asking about you, personally. If you don't work, how do you aim to eat?

>>10143434
>starvation of your population.
Implying this a bad thing. There are way too many undesirable people in the world.

>>10143415
your argument of food shortage is not valid anymore don't you realize it? there is literally enough food to feed every person.

please try to come up with a modern example of your definition of work before you post again, we're not living in the middle ages anymore even if it might seem so.

>>10143462
Im asking how you will purchase the groceries you moron

>>10143453
Communism arbitrarily starves people, its not negative eugenics

>>10143446
did you pay every single meal you ate with money earned from your own work? Did you pay your mom for the milk ouf of her boobs?

nobody has to starve on this planet, even if he doesn't work.

accept this fact and you inevitably end up with having to redefine human work.

>>10143474
A lot of them yes, some were recieved as gifts from friends. Before i moved out my parents fed me with their money. Do you intend on living the rest of your life by eating what people give you out of the goodness of their heart? Pathetic

I agree nobody had to starve, unfortunately it costs a lot to distribute food

>>10143474
You didnt answer the question
>dude just explain to the owner of the store that there is global surplus of food lol

>>10143466
Capitalism does that too (look at Africa).

Its like... a lack of resources is a bad indication for the efficiency of the method of resource distribution?

>>10143446

Plenty of food to feed everyone.

You don't need to turn this earth into Manhattan for everyone to be fed, clothed and sheltered. Afaik, only a small percentage of people (<5%) today work in agriculture.

>>10142429
Become a biomedical engineer and figure out how to cure aging.

>>10143465
Earth grows them for free.

>>10143431
based jewanon, you'll make it if you keep going at it

>>10143249
The problem is that your work is not very valuable. In this system, there is already someone who is both willing and more qualified, which is more than you can say. So your desires to change the world are at odds with your reluctance to see it through the not so thrilling stages. The wonder follows after the work.

>>10143484
>>10143485
what follows will start with exactly what you want to hear but it has a twist:

I would ask him if he has food for free and he will say yes and that he actually has so much he can't store it all without it going bad so he asks me to take some free food with me to other people as a favor.

thats the reality we could live in.

you know in third world countries you can't just spread your wings and go find you own place with the money from your own work. hell you cant even feed yourself because people like you who think they are entitled to a house with garden and a car. there is not enough habitable space for this lifestyle anymore and living with your parents far into your adulthood is normal for most of poor people.

the possibility of work one has nowadays is a luxury and not a necessity

>>10143555
are you serious? you don't think work can actually be "finished" do you?

>>10143564
i correct myself, the possibility of work is not a luxury but its a priviledge and not a necessity to survive in modern society

>>10143569
Not the necessary type of work, like agriculture, maintainance, or healthcare. It's cyclical.

>>10143579
and it's AUTOMATED first and foremost. Every human who goes through the manual work of growing plants actually LOSES MONEY in comparison.

all the work for food arguments are made invalid by automation but somehow some people still think the more wealth accumulated, the better. Maybe for oneself but not for society and not for humanity. all average people can have enough food to survive, hard workers should be able to live better ofc but not by the margins we have today.

How can a single person have money worth a trillions tons amount of food.

The really smart rich people literally did what you hate so much, they provided people with food without demanding work in return and they didn't give to charity because of publicity.

They wanted those people to be independent from exploitation and free from slavery; and that's what all smart people should want for others.

this thread has completely ignored the original question

>>10143628
did it really tho?

>>10143325
No you fucking retard, that was the best that I could get after sending out over 400 job applications. The engineering job market is horrific garbage fire because of dumbasses like you flooding into it.

>Wouldn't you be able to manufacture them yourself
Yeah man, let me just make them myself in my $50 million dollar factory. Fucking deluded high schoolers...

>>10143687
you can work at a company that manufactures them you idiot.

I'm starting to understand why you are doing what you doing tho lol

have fun with you installateur job

>>10143696
I wouldn't be laughing if I were you. At the rate things are going, the job market is going to be even worse for you by the time you graduate. Enjoy your $40k starting.

>>10143703
sorry to have to break it to you but I'm not an engineer nor am I going to be one because I've luckily decided for a more modern career

>>10143515
BASED