/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10129157
>propagate electromagnetic waves

Longitudinal or Transverse?
Transverse=not tesla
Longitudinal=Telsa, but probably just another bastardization/not actually longitudinal.

By the way you can get "wireless power" by hooking up a foxhole radio to something other than a earpiece.

Next day, everyone drops dead where they are standing due to instant cancer

>>10129234
Let me guess, another 'wifi/5g gives you cancer' fag?

>>10129203
>hooking up a foxhole radio to something other than a earpiece
Like an enemy combatant's nuts?

>>10129157
the wavelength is pretty big(~150m) so efficient receivers will need to be pretty big. Since the receivers will need to be pretty goddamn big, we can't put them on. things that move. It's going to be difficult to beat the efficiency of regular power transmission lines. On second thought, maybe you could power big boats if this power transmision method actually works. I suspect it won't because stuff like scattering is still a thing. Radars in this range have been used to measure ocean currents cause the signal bounces off the waves.

>>10129203
>you can get "wireless power" by hooking up a foxhole radio to something other than a earpiece.

only partially correct
you can receive a 'signal' but nobody considers it transmission of power because the efficiency is so incredibly poor

your longitudinal vs transverse statement is ignorant
do you have any conception of the current theories of guided waves / bounded waves? The propagation of electromagnetic waves thru a waveguide?

A Zennek wave is what occurs on the walls of a waveguide when energy is propagated thru it.
efficiencies of nearly 99% can be achieved in the transmission of power via these methods
there is no known reason why these methods cannot be applied to the waveguide known as the Schumann cavity

if you can follow the math, here is a good explanation from the work of Sergei and Leonid Plekhanov a few years back
https://web.archive.org/web/20150510072057/http://globalenergytransmission.com/index.php/en/latest-news/27-examining-working-principle-of-tesla-tower

>>10129622
>efficient receivers will need to be pretty big

not true

consider the problem with AM radio wavelengths (~500 meters) and the common solution of the 'rod antenna'
please educate yourself on 'H field antenna' properties

This is marketing hype to rip off some gullible investors. Will they find a new, better way to transmit power? Probably. Will it every be commercially viable? No, it won't. It will be less efficient than wires, but there is another major problem. How do they stop some reasonably technically competent person from building their own receiver and stealing free power?

Also, while Tesla was a genius, he was also insane. Tesla-style wireless energy transmission is highly inefficient, with his system global energy transmission just wasn't feasible.

He also had the strangest obsession with pigeons and the number 3. The guy deserves respect and acknowledgement, but several of his claims were exaggerations, outright lies or the product of an insane mind.

>>10130085
As if you even know. Tesla would have destroyed multiple growing markets and cut JP Morgan and the rest of the cabal off at the knees.

Wardenclyffe tower wasn't only a transmitter, it was a generator.

>>10130104
Yeah, no. It wasn't a generator. That's fanon. Originally, it was only meant to be a radio tower (seriously), but then Tesla decided to build it into a wireless power transmitter, basically just up-scaling his already impressive Colorado Springs experiment. While it would have generators, it wouldn't generate a world-wide free energy field.

The only time I associate "wireless power transmission research" and Baylor is when somebody straps a pack of AA batteries to a football.

>>10129824
>you can receive a 'signal' but nobody considers it transmission of power because the efficiency is so incredibly poor
What exactly do you think a "signal" is? What do you think is being transmitted through the winding of copper?

>your longitudinal vs transverse statement is ignorant
You're right, forgive me. A "longitudinal wave" is actually not even a "wave" at all because there is no "wave" component to them.

>do you have any conception of the current theories of guided waves / bounded waves? The propagation of electromagnetic waves thru a waveguide?
A wave is what something does.

>>10130203
let's see you '''power''' your house with an AAA battery then

>A wave is what something does.
ha ha ha
in what form does a wave travel thru a waveguide?

>>10130851
>let's see you '''power''' your house with an AAA battery then
If everything in my house was piezoelectric and efficient enough It most certainly would run off a AAA. All energy is is moving it from where it is to where it isn't.

>in what form does a wave travel thru a waveguide?

Are you saying a "wave" is a thing? No it's what something does idiot. Waves of what?

>>10130927

>>10130927
>If everything in my house was piezoelectric and efficient enough It most certainly would run off a AAA
Like my heating and cooking, for instance? Sure.

>All energy is is moving it from where it is to where it isn't.
Explain fridges, then.

>>10130935
See now you're not even trying. How is anything what I said /x/ related? How about you try answering the question instead?

>Waves of what?

It's a on a spectrum you mongoloid. It's not a "thing" it's what something else is doing, but I guess that's too hard for someone that also thinks that what something does can "travel". The thing "travels" not what that thing is doing, that makes no sense at all. "I wave my hand", "this thing is creating a waving motion". It's a displacement, there is no fucking "traveling" of any wave whatsoever because a wave is not a thing to begin with. It's like saying water and waves of water are two completely different things. No they're still fucking water.

>>10130941
>Like my heating and cooking, for instance? Sure.
How much energy is in a log of wood? If you hook up the wood to something does it power it? No? Then how come it still can heat and cook just fine when lit on fire? It all comes down to pressure mediation.

>Explain fridges, then.

Really? That's exactly what a fridge fucking does. It does so MORE EFFICIENTLY because it is using a refrigerant gas that is DIFFERENT than our atmosphere. This gas is compressed ( a difference in pressure) which makes it heat up and then it MOVES the gas to a condenser. This condensed gas is cooler than our atmosphere condenses and the temperature difference created is stored in an insulated container. A fridge literally works off the difference in pressures of freon (OR CO2 or fucking anything because anything can act as a refrigerant). It literally does nothing but alter the quality of refrigerant, nothing is added save for the electricity that operates the compressor.

>>10130942
You're about to start babbling about ether
You babe to go back >>>/x/

>>10130958
Type out a proper response you knuckle dragging moron and stop acting like a newfag.

Is a "wave" a thing or what something does?

>>10130963
There is nothing to respond to, nothing but semantic babble.

>>10129277
Either that or someone is using his brain.
wifi is miliwatts, power transmission is megawats.
It's a documented fact that leukemia rates for children living near (<50 m) high-power transmission lines is slightly higher than normal, and that's in a case where they're being subject to a leaked-power RF field. I'd hate to see the numbers when people live *in* the power-transmission RF field.

>>10131067
>It's a documented fact

>>10131067
>It's a documented fact that leukemia rates for children living near (<50 m) high-power transmission lines is slightly higher than normal

read as
not above margin of error for the sample size

high intensity exposure to broadcast frequency RF is known to cause health problems, just ask any old radio or TV station broadcast engineers... oh wait you can't, first off they were rare, and secondly they die early. But those levels of exposure were thousands of times higher than any ordinary citizen can experience.

wood smoke from living in caves caused problems
coal smoke from living in victorian england caused problems
high intensity exposure to RF causes problems
hell, too much noontime sun causes problems...

no such thing as a perfect world anon
>I'd hate to see the numbers when people live *in* the power-transmission RF field.

I can't wait, that means the system works and will deliver power to the whole globe. No more 13% of the world's population with no electricity or running water.
They claimed the wind power stuff would kill millions of birds and subject all nearby residents to horrible problems sleeping due to subsonics from the movement of the blades... haven't seen it

>>10131044
>There is nothing to respond to

I just asked you a question moron, you know what a "question" is right? Sorry you're so dumb that you can't even answer a simple question and can't even bother to elaborate what "semantic babble" is. Is it because you know the answer and are just too cowardly to say it? >>>/pol/ is that way.

>>10131205
>and secondly they die early
Are you shitting me? Broadcast engineers are nothing but old people.

>>10131304
>I just asked you a question moron, you know what a "question" is right?
The question makes no sense, it assumes that the word "wave" only has one definition/context.

>can't even bother to elaborate what "semantic babble" is.
Semantic babble because there is no scientific content in your posts, just making claims about the definition of wave.

>>10129157
Can somebody explain to a brainlet how this wouldn't cause cancer?

>>10131436
it will cause cancer. Because it is less efficient, more resources will need to be used, some of which may indirectly cause cancer

>>10131426
>>10131426
>The question makes no sense, it assumes that the word "wave" only has one definition/context.

Then define it. Tell me what a "wave" is. Point to me an actual "wave" in reality. You'll find yourself at the conclusion that a "wave" is in fact not an actual thing, but what something is doing. What is it that is "Waving"? Was it you that said
>in what form does a wave travel thru a waveguide?
Which makes no sense as a retort to my previous statement:
>A wave is what something does

The answer is it depends on which medium is doing the action of "waving". If I'm to assume that by "waveguide" you mean something that guides "waves" then again it depends on WHAT IS DOING THE 'WAVING". Water? Air? Sound? A EM waveguide? Yeah "waves of what" still applies. Something still has to "wave" so what is it?

>>10131520
>Then define it. Tell me what a "wave" is.
Why? Dictionaries and physics textbooks are available online now.

>You'll find yourself at the conclusion that a "wave" is in fact not an actual thing, but what something is doing.
I don't.

>Was it you that said
>in what form does a wave travel thru a waveguide?
Not me.

>The answer is it depends on which medium is doing the action of "waving".
He specifically asked about electromagnetic waves, so I don't see what there is that needs to be clarified. What medium do you think EM waves travel through?

>>10131563
Why? Dictionaries and physics textbooks are available online now.

Yeah, and most of them say a "wave" is an action...or what something else does when used as a noun (wave of x..an x wave[previous context stating specifically what constitutes the "x wave"]

>He specifically asked about electromagnetic waves, so I don't see what there is that needs to be clarified.

"Waves of what"

>What medium do you think EM waves travel through?
the absence of EM waves, pure potential/inertia.

>>10129157
So do they have a working prototype yet or not?

>>10131817
>Yeah, and most of them say a "wave" is an action...or what something else does when used as a noun (wave of x..an x wave[previous context stating specifically what constitutes the "x wave"]
And?

>"Waves of what"
Waves of the electromagnetic field. What don't you understand about this?

>the absence of EM waves, pure potential/inertia.
Gibberish.

>>10132156
>Waves of the electromagnetic field.
So it's the electromagnetic field waving/in motion. Like I said, a "wave" is not a thing. And no a "field" is not a "wave".

>Gibberish.
Better than "nothing".

>>10129157
If I recall Tesla had heavy backers to the development of this tech back in the day, then word got out that there would be no way to monitor the power consumed on the user end and the investors backed out. Check out Wardenclyffe Tower.

>>10132245
>So it's the electromagnetic field waving/in motion. Like I said, a "wave" is not a thing. And no a "field" is not a "wave".
You keep saying this as if it has some kind of substantive meaning. You still haven't shown you understand a single thing about EM waves.

>Better than "nothing".
It's the same as nothing.

>>10132352
>You keep saying this as if it has some kind of substantive meaning.
Yeah it does. Everything is fields and a "wave" is not a thing it's what something does.

>You still haven't shown you understand a single thing about EM waves.
And you haven't shown you understand a single thing about "waves", probably because you still think they're a thing.

>It's the same as nothing.
potential is not "nothing". "inertia" is not "nothing".

>>10132379
>bla bla bla
>>>/x/

>>10132074
ya, testing begins 4th quarter 2018 (now)

>>10132245
>So it's the electromagnetic field waving/in motion

not exactly
a 'wave' if we're not talking about the synchronized waving of arms at a football stadium is a complex subject.
Generally a wave is a localized change in potential that is usually periodic but doesn't have to be (soliton waves)
Electromagnetic waves are composed of both electric field component potential changes and magnetic field component potential changes simultaneously. And in the free space form that most are taught about these waves propagate away from the radiating source in a straight line (unless reflected or refracted) with an attenuation of 1 / distance3. A guided / bounded wave may travel thru a waveguide with an attenuation factor less than 1 / distance. As you can see a guided / bounded wave has a huge advantage in transmission losses.

The peculiar part about guided waves or bounded waves ie. waves propagating thru a 'waveguide' is there are conditions that will cause one or both components (electric and magnetic) of the wave to be insensible, almost as if it was folded into another dimention. TE (transverse electric) mode waves, TM (transverse magnetic) mode and TME (transverse magnetic electic) mode.

during the TE mode when a wave is propagating thru a waveguide the electric field component travels on the inner surface of the waveguide as a zennek wave

The space between the Earth and Ionosphere make a giant concentric spherical waveguide. These people (ViZiV) propose to exploit this in much the same way that Nikola Tesla proposed to do. They use slightly different language to describe the same phenomena.

Time will tell, as this time the project has the baking of people who have much better business sense than Tesla did 100 years ago.
>pic related, it's a graphic of a Zennek wave

>>10132683
>A guided / bounded wave may travel thru a waveguide with an attenuation factor less than 1 / distance.

correction that should be
A guided / bounded wave may travel thru a waveguide with an attenuation factor slightly more than 1 / distance.

do those waves detour around our brain or go straight through it and if they do - what happens to our brain?

>>10132780
The brain might actually already generate and receive these.

>>10129824
>but nobody considers it transmission of power because the efficiency is so incredibly poor
Which is why this >>10129157 won't work.

>>10132787

okay, so what happens if they are generated by an external source and travel through our heads? will those waves be compatible? or a violation?

>reading the papers on the website
>from 1 mile to 2.5 miles from the transmitter the field strength drops by 70%
>wireless power beamed anywhere on earth!
These guys are patent trolls. That's all.

>>10131144
>>10131144
Proofs bird is right.

https://www.bmj.com/content/307/6909/891
RESULTS--A significant association was seen between all major types of childhood cancer combined and exposure to magnetic fields from high voltage installations of > or = 0.4 microT (odds ratio 5.6). At > or = 0.25 microT no significant association was seen (odds ratio 1.5). A possible association was also seen with cases of Hodgkin's disease separately at > or = 0.1 microT.
Anon Note: relative percentage of cancers associated to 50Hz fields is low, but there is a high correlation to increased EM fields.

>>10132898
transmission losses of less than 1% are common in most applications of this mode of power transmission. Using this method with the Earth / Ionosphere (Schumann cavity) being used as a waveguide is quite practical. Tesla knew it, Sergei & Leonid Plekhanov know it and so do the people at ViZiV and Baylor University. Soon you'll know as well, the testing is ongoing and successful so far.

Great more em noise.

>>10134684
>transmission losses of less than 1% are common in most applications of this mode of power transmission
At least read the papers on the fucking website.

>>10132905
>okay, so what happens if they are generated by an external source and travel through our heads? will those waves be compatible? or a violation?

anyone have an answer for this?

>>10129157
Hail Tesla