/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10103351
>implying academic index is of any value

Diversity is always good you poltard

>>10103351
I don't give a fuck about chinks facing stiffer odds. asians (even us born ones) are foreigners and they have no place in our universities. for fucks sake theres billions of the buggers, they can stay in their own damn universities instead of pouring into our cities.

and yeah, beaners are only fit for manuel labor, farming, and the odd service job, and blacks are an active detriment to any educational environment.

>>10103391
It's directly racist that there's higher standards for them, and directly racist that there's lower standards for black and Hispanic students. It should be purely merit based, and be completely agnostic of race, gender, politics, height, whatever the fuck whenever possible.

Can you do the coursework? Might you advance the field? Good, you're in. If not, get the fuck out.

How are Asians not more pissed about this? (I'm white, if your calculations are accurate our numbers are about right, so I really don't care)...

I don't get how this isn't racism.

>>10103398
>I don't get how this isn't racism.

Because asians have already IQ and BMI priviledge, you fucking shitlord.

>>10103398
>How are Asians not more pissed about this?
There’s literally a trial right now against Harvard University’s discriminatory and racist policies regarding admission, and there was another one in 2015
>(I'm white, if your calculations are accurate our numbers are about right, so I really don't care)...
Not quite, the key word here is “applicant” and the thing is that a lot of whites don’t really bother to apply to elite colleges anymore (especially those from low socioeconomic strata), Asians do because they are more ambitious, pressure, Tiger parents, don’t do drugs, etc., Ron Unz in his seminal work from 2012 estimated that under a strictly meritocratic system, the percentage of high-ability whites would be between two thirds and three fourths, while that of Asians is around 25%-30%
http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

>>10103378
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

>>10103417
Nice bait

>>10103351
Nothing surprising. Government funding should be cut, then they'll pursue those that come with sponsorship money, essentially making it a meritocracy.

>>10103391
>asians (even us born ones) are foreigners and they have no place in our universities. for fucks sake theres billions of the buggers, they can stay in their own damn universities instead of pouring into our cities.
Amen

>>10103446
>from 2012

Meritocracy is both a myth and a fallacy, more news at 10

>>10103351
>Racism agains asians
meanwhile others get out proportionally in ivy league.

>>10103391

>manuel labor

>>10103398
>Can you do the coursework? Might you advance the field?
That's an okay attitude for tech schools like MIT and CalTech, but for a liberal arts institution it's probably suboptimal. Liberal arts colleges exist to groom society's leaders, critics, and creatives. Every subgroup of society needs leadership, whether or not they are academically inclined. It's in society's interest for leaders to be well-educated, so it makes sense for groups to be represented proportionally at top liberal arts colleges.

>>10103483
He's just your typical white-nigger, the worst of the white race, attributing his skin color to his value in society, as his ability to speak English and get a job is incredibly lackluster. Don't forget to ignore white-nigger posting fellow anons.

>>10103351
>If Harvard admitted students based solely on the domestic APPLICANT scoring in the top decile of an "academic index" (=test scores + high school performance), the racial/ethnic composition of its freshman class would be expected to change as follows:

No, fuck Asians until they learn fucking English.

>>10103378
>Diversity is always good
[citation needed]

>>10103523
>Diversity is bad

Think about that everytime you go eating at a fancy ethnic restaurant

>>10103531
I live in one of least diverse countries in the world, yet I have restaurants from all around the world in my city.

I feel like I'll be having ramen for dinner today.

>>10103537
>I live in one of least diverse countries in the world

Something is in need of fixing

>>10103491
>No, fuck Asians until they learn fucking English.

>>10103531
You do realize that people can cook food, that isnt traditional to their ethnicity?
Aka white dude can learn to cook a ramen, and asian dude can learn to cook burgers....

>>10103546
Then why are all the best italian restaurants run by actual italians?

>>10103547
Best pizza is from Chicago tho

>>10103351
And then we have shit like this:
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/25/harvard-saudi-ties/

>>10103540
Good luck with that, jew.
Just be careful, you might make that polish death camps propaganda into reality this time.

>>10103547
That's just your opinion. Any Italian is free to come and build his restaurant that will be better than fake ones and win the market. And any foreigner can make their own Italian restaurant that might win with the original ones. Capitalism is just a meritocracy in market.

>>10103391
Do you not see your pathetic double standards? And Asian-American citizens are not foreginers in the U.S..

>>10103351
> Non-hispanic Asian and Pacific Islander
The Hawaiians always get a free ride statistically.

They're too small an ethnic group (compared to the several billion Asians currently milling around), so they're dumped into the catch-all "Asian" group.

It's a serious inflation of the P value.

>>10103550
>Best pizza is from Chicago tho

Ahahahaha no

>>10103351
Where are the kikes?

>>10103531
>Diversity is bad
The negative of "diversity is always good" is "diversity is sometimes bad"
>Think about that everytime you go eating at a fancy ethnic restaurant
You only cherish diversity for the sake of different food?
I don't think the food court of Harvard can employ all of those AA's or Hispanics.

>>10103627
They are the 35.5% of whites left over

>>10103631
kikes aren't white though

>>10103632
Americans aren’t white in general

>>10103351
Chinks cheat
Whites have privilege
Latinos and Blacks are affected by systemic racism
Just face it /sci/, affirmative action is necessary.

>>10103523
https://www.nature.com/news/collaboration-strength-in-diversity-1.15912

>>10103632
They self-identify as white for camouflage.

>>10103351
>I have to learn around black people WAAHHHHHH
What's your problem?

>>10103531
>DUDE FOOD LMAO
Except that most of these people aren't going to Harvard to become chefs, brainlet.

If you want to fight cultural appropriation, you should also fight technological appropriation.

Let's prevent ethnic groups from using technology invented by white men.

Diversity is not a political agenda or conspiracy. It's just part of reality. The political part is how you deal with that reality.

>>10103378
i honestly cannot tell if you are being sarcastic or not. its like a inverted version of poe's law.

>>10103351
>Imagine no spicniggers.
>It's easy if you try.
>No section 8 below us.
>Above us, only sky.

>>10103725
Letting unqualified minorities into college just because of the color of their skin isn’t “reality”

>>10103667
Have you ever been in an inner city school or seen videos of an inner city school?

>>10103756
Those schools are shit. How is it relevant to Harvard?

>>10103755
>unqualified
Never happened. You don't get in if you're not qualified. It only gives you priority when you do qualify.

>>10103760
Studying around black kids is terrible, I suppose the Harvard ones are a bit smarter but having unqualified peers is never good in a school or workplace

>>10103761
Is having SAT scores hundreds of points lower qualified to you? Lmao

>>10103764
Yes, getting a 2000 qualifies you for Ivy League. You don't need a 2400. Nice propaganda pic btw.

>>10103391
>manuel labor
Jesus christ

>>10103769
Standby while your children pay for your sins and ineptitude.

>>10103769
How exactly does such a score qualify you? It’s decent but me and a bunch of others had scores in that range. Ivy leagues are the most selective in the world.

>>10103674
Is this oc

>>10103748
A true visionary

>>10103531
Epick citation you got there.

>>10103663
>retrospective study
Argument discarded.

>>10103351
>non-hispanic asian
That's a funny way of saying "anyone that isn't filipino"

>>10103762
If they are unqualified they'd leave due to poor grades but most stay in the university and do quite well. Why are you so insecure?

>>10103764
Schools look at other factors.

>>10103576
Also Asian is so fucking huge as fuck (Hmong to 4 gen Japanese) and even schools don't deal with them all the same. My Viet friend was at an event where some guys from a goo university did a community outreach in his Viet community centre.

>>10103777
>Ivy leagues are the most selective in the world.
They are not, maybe Stanford and Harvard only but there are other universities worldwide with a lower admission rate

>>10103769
>instead of letting in the 1000 most intelligent and academically successful applicants with the most potential each year, let's instead let in 1000 significantly less intelligent applicants who are of the right racial composition in order to appear "progressive" and "on the right side of history".

every time you pass over a more academically gifted asian in favour of a less academically gifted nigger you're just making your undergraduate student body weaker.

You can argue that harvard doesn't need to care about how weak their undergraduate body is since they can simply be more selective at postgrad level and that's what gets them the research success and academic prestige , but eventually being so wholly and unashamedly non-meritocratic and non-selective is going to reflect poorly on them and weaken their reputation.

>>10104870
admission rate means nothing without knowing what the distribution of the quality of the candidates applying is.

A company with a 20% admission rate where the only people who applied were geniuses would be more selective than a company with a 5% admission rate where 90% of the people who applied were average joe blogs.

>>10104920
Exactly, I wanted to point out that we don’t really have a way to measure how selective universities around the world are

>>10103378
Very very rarely is diversity good

>>10103490
fuck off manuel, I can talk english perfectly good you fucking beaner-nigger.

>>10103666
Checked

Why dont asians just lie about their ethnicity on applications? Like seriously

>>10105569
They're too good at math. They know that being 1/1024th non-asian is not a significant amount.

>>10105575
Doesnt matter. Legally you are allowed to be whatever ethnicity you claim. Knew an Asian guy who put white as his ethnicity, got into Harvard Law. Maybe if he put asian as his ethnicity he'd still get in, maybe not

>>10105581
Can you claim to be black?

>>10103398
>merit based
You have a mental block here because you narrowly define "merit" by test scores alone.

>Can you do the coursework? Might you advance the field? Good, you're in.
You have unwittingly defended Harvard here. They actually agree with you 100%: once you've met the bar, there's no point in weighting score much further.
Colleges are not mere reward systems for high school students; they are not morally obligated to prioritize the very best test-takers.

>How are Asians not more pissed about this?
Over the years they've admitted thousands of Asians with poor grades. In fact it's been shown that Asians with high scores have lost out against other Asians with low scores.

It has also been shown in this same case that Harvard specifically discriminates against engineering & science students -- if they admitted from the top decile of scores only, the school would be filled with geeks within only a few years. Perhaps IEEE should sue Harvard on behalf of geeks everywhere for discrimination.

>>10105686
https://nypost.com/2015/04/12/mindy-kalings-brother-explains-why-he-pretended-to-be-black/

>>10105698
>the Indian still talks about his everyone treats him like shit when he larps as black
Yeah you racists are still on the bad side

>>10105691
>They actually agree with you 100%: once you've met the bar, there's no point in weighting score much further.

There is, someone who gets in barely passing the bar is likely less qualified than someone who gets a perfect score. This is not a hard concept to grasp, come on. Also, there is usually no fixed bar to meet, the bar is relative to other applicants, with the best x getting in.

Then there is the issue that even if those applicants have "met the bar", that does not mean it is magically not racism to pick the brown ones preferentially. You either use other academic criteria or use a lottery. Racist discrimination is never OK.

>>10106066
>can’t become a doctor because some higher ups want less Indian and more black doctors

It’s perfrctly moral to cheat an unfair system

>>10104509
the university is highly competitive
I'm sure people of power qualification can handle the rigor

>>10106088
Doctors don't need more than 3.1 gpa. They're memorization machines.
Indians could make do elsewhere.
Medicine is a brainless job. AIs are doing surgeries and will soon diagnose better

>>10106084
Why is meeting the bar not enough for you?
They should raise the bar if they want to.

>>10106095
>AIs are doing surgeries

real life is not star trek my brainlet friend

>>10106097
Doctors rely on robots to perform sensitive surgeries that would fail thanks to human hand fluctuation

>>10106096

There is no bar, there is just a continuum of ability going from brainlet to genius. Any time you pick people because of their race instead of academic criteria you are ensuring a less qualified person steals the place of a more qualified one.

>>10106100
a robot is not an AI

>>10106103
Robots and AI are the same race. The machine race.

>>10106101
Grades don't matter in medicine anyway.
My medical school is top 17 in the world and they tell the medical students that their grades don't count for shit and have no effect on them working as doctors. If they wanna research though, then they'll need good grades

>>10103351
non hispanic white includes jews though

>>10103544
if they write like a 5th grader and speak like a retard then that just means they all cheat on the entrance exams

>>10103725
seeing as many shadowy NGOs and government officials all work together to import third worlders and the democratic party is dependent on brown people to win elections, diversity is a political agenda and conspiracy

Ten bucks every poster in this thread bashing asians is a jew to distract whites from noticing their ridiculous over representation in Harvard.

>>10103663
>appeal to pc culture
>get free nature publication

>>10103351
>whites are discriminated and selected against
As always /pol/ is wrong, it's mostyl asians that are affected by this

>>10106564
The data doesn't lie.

IQ and other innate logic tests should also be applied so it's not only the geekiests that get in but also the ones with the most raw talent

>>10106560
Indeed, actually Ron Unz estimated that Jews have around 1000% over representation at Harvard