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We've all heard how vaccines and autism are completely unrelated, but how do we know this?

Adverse Effects of Vaccines: Evidence and Causality. 2011 report IOM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK190028/
>Conclusion 10.6: The evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between diphtheria toxoid–, tetanus toxoid–, or acellular pertussis–containing vaccine and autism.

>This one study (Geier and Geier, 2004) was not considered in the weight of epidemiologic evidence because it provided data from a passive surveillance system and lacked an unvaccinated comparison population.

Wait, so VAERS, which is the ONLY injury reporting system isn't allowed, and because there was no unvaccinated comparison, it was not considered? Even though every single vaccine has to be tested against another vaccine and not a saline placebo because they deem it unethical?

From the CDC themselves
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html
>There is no link between vaccines and autism.
>but studies have shown that there is no link between receiving vaccines and developing ASD. In 2011, an Institute of Medicine (IOM) report on eight vaccines given to children and adults found that with rare exceptions, these vaccines are very safe.
>IOM reports inadequate evidence for autism.

IOM report in 2013
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK206938/
>No studies have compared the differences in health outcomes ... between entirely unimmunized populations of children and fully immunized children.
>studies designed to examine the long-term effects of the cumulative number of vaccines or other aspects of the immunization schedule have not been conducted.

A home school study comparing vaccinated vs unvaccinated showed higher rates of autism
http://archive.is/PwUrN
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22423139
>Flu shot and placebo same infection rate
>flu shot group had 4.4x rate of non flu-infection

DTP associated with 10x mortality vaxxed vs unvaxx pic related

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>>10081012
http://vaccinepapers.org/wp-content/uploads/Introduction-of-DTP-and-OPV-Among-Infants-in-an-Urban-African-Community-A-Natural-Experiment.pdf
Sorry, this is the DTP study they accidentally compared a vaccinated vs fully unvaccinated group that found a 10-fold increase in mortality. 10 times the children died than were saved from the vaccine, getting the vaccine lowered their life expectancy.

So with the rise in vaccines, we've seen a rise in immune disorders, chronic illnesses, autism, cancer and we've NEVER done a study comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated groups or done long term studies? Or hell, LOOKED at vaccines beyond Thimerosal and MMR for autism?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt-CZN48rR8
More information can be found here.
Wake the fuck up, where is the science on vaccines, because clearly it's not there.

>> No.10081067

>So with the rise in vaccines, we've seen a rise in immune disorders, chronic illnesses, autism, cancer and we've NEVER done a study comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated groups or done long term studies?

The increase in these is expected regardless, due to the increasing genetic load. Its not obvious that it evidences environmental effects.

>> No.10081072

>>10081012
i hope all viruses become drug resistant and wipe out all the brainlets like you OP. the world needs another purge.

>> No.10081082

Someone explains me why people fighting something so hard that only takes like 5min of your time and is completely free in the most parts of the better world.

Do people really hate getting a new one after 5 years that much?

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>>10081067
So why do only children from the U.S experience higher rates of health issues while simultaneously having more vaccines than any other country?

http://www.rescuepost.com/files/gr-autism_and_vaccines_world_special_report1.pdf

U.S
>34 vaccines
>Mortality per 1,000 children under 5 - 7.8
>Ranks 34th
Iceland/sweden/Japan
>11 vaccines
>less than 4.2 per children mortality rate/1000
>in the top 5
I wonder why these countries with such amazing health system and value their citizens lives don't get more vaccines, I wonder what the possible reason could be.
>>10081082
Because it's never been studied if you bothered to watch the video or read any of the links I presented.
Why would I get something that LOWERS my life expectancy?

>> No.10081088

>>10081085
http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

>> No.10081089

Sometimes I wish Polio would make a glorious return and help us to get rid of the children of no vaccines idiots.

Well, they don't even need to die just living their entire life with the complications and post-polio syndrome wold be enough.

>> No.10081100

>>10081025
Accidentally? Its the goal of the study....

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/rfk-jr-and-vaccine-safety-bad-study-conclusions/

It was not a very reliable paper. It uses a tiny population. And in the worst case, it shows that a specific ancient vaccine was faulty.
Its always the same tale... Every health subject has pro and against papers. It doesn't matter if there are hundred of studies and empirical data proving something as healthy, it doesnt matter the scientific consensus, what only matters if that you can always find at least one contradictory paper. Its the only thing you need to assume as true the bogus version.

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>>10081088
>hurr its all a correlation, that means them not doing the study means its safe!

>>10081089
Funny you mention that, Polio is still around and kicking, but in a different name, in fact when Polio "magically" disappeared, non polio acute flaccid paralysis sky rocketed, almost like we were misdiagnosing polio for the longest of times.

Pic related is HHS admitting to not doing ANY safety studies for 30 years as REQUIRED according to the 1986 act, the very same act that they threatened to stop making vaccines if it did not pass. Such an important law that literally saved them, they didn't even abide by.

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Sorry, the goal of the study was to do a vaccinated vs unvaccinated, but they unintentionally created an unvaccinated group, it's deemed unethical to do this kind of study as not giving them a vaccine is "unethical".

Except there aren't any studies proving vaccines are safe, none that you can't call tobacco science, they're about as safe as cigarettes. We don't do long-term studies, don't do placebo, don't do cumulative, don't compare fully vaccinated to completely unvaccinated, the voting on ACIP and FDA is so fucking compromised that multiple board panel members are ALLOWED to own patents to the same fucking vaccine they are voting on.

Hello? Do you see something wrong with that?
The same fucking person who is there to protect you from these industries seeking profit off of that product!

When you sue for damages against vaccines, you aren't sueing them, you are sueing YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT, you have to fight against HHS and the DOJ, who mind you, over see CDC, FDA and ACIP and have financial ties to the vaccine industry.
It's like a murderer doing the forensics on a murder case for his own trial.