/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10076831
It's all about languages and memory. Languages are your interaction with the world, and memory is the 'possible-share-with-nonself' space.

A language is a way of describing a set of filters, and memory is the heartbeat of the moment that left a lasting impression.

As for other humans? It all depends on what value you derive from interacting with them. I'm 34 and avoid most people because I enjoy being challenged by my languages and new experiences. When I find the interesting ones it is worthwhile, but most of the time people are essentially NPC's.

>>10076831
The >>>/g/hetto is that way

>>10076882
Why craft an exclusionary premise as your scientific hypothesis? That's the only experiment I could imagine you're performing.

>>10076831
Why don't you read a book and find out
http://4chan-science.wikia.com/wiki/Computer_Science_and_Engineering#Automata.2C_Computability_Theory.2C_and_Complexity_Theory

>>10076890
I thought TCS was light years apart different from CS?

>>10076831
How do you measure amount of knowledge?

>>10076909
it really should be the case that cs = tcs + pl, since it's the core sub branch. other areas like software development, ml, graphics, systems are only tangentially concerned with the core nature of computation.

>>10076881
teenagers might find it interesting to read a schizo's ramblings, to see an example of a broken mind's working. but for everyone else it's just really tedious so can you please fuck off

>>10076881
haha pls go to a third world country without passport and money and learn how much of an NPC you can be to other people.

there are hardships in life you have never met and probably never will.

dont act as if you're not an NPC faggot

>>10076831
Depends on which part of it you study. The foundations of TCS (which have a strong relationship with the foundations of math) are mathematical logic, memory, structure of the machine (as something that is continuous on time but discretizes space/memory), language constructive, etc. but depending on the type of problems and sub fields you like to work in, you can find yourself heavy in combinatorics, graph theory, algebra, logic, geometry, topology, and analysis (especially true for complexity theory, which really touches all aspects of math)

>>10076831
https://www3.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/evs/e/32.html?evsver=1012&evsdir=1080&evsfile=script.pdf

Complexity theory across the reals. You then discover a lot about analysis and measure when you think about the construction of the reals and subsequent topics in terms of a machine.

>>10077451
Whoa
That’s so cool

>>10077396
Why is the majority behavior in English to question another person's psychology? Is there a general lack of social inclusion?

>>10077435
I was actually born in a third world country. Infer as required, I guess? To give a reference of a sliding scale of experiences doesn't invalidate 'other' existences.

>>10077451
Why does /sci/ hate CS so much? I'm math/physics, and this looks cool as shit. What is this saying? Is it an alternate construction of the reals?

>>10078063
because even though to you, what you wrote passes as coherent thought, for others outside your broken mind or broken English, it's very distinctively a crazy or retarded person trying to pass as thoughtful by aping thoughtful language.

>>10078466
>Why does /sci/ hate CS so much?
It's the easiest STEM major so only brainlets major in it. Literally everyone who can't deal with EE or CE change to CS.

>>10078466
I think what this thread is saying is that computer science has a very different beast lying inside of it

>>10078466
Its for money hungry incurious brainlets who aren’t interested in the natural sciences. encourages sociopathy and internal banality, monoculture, emotional incompetence and deceitfulness. Also they have all the jobs

>>10078466

>>10078469
Are you not more stipulating that it is outside of your experiences, or that these experiences can only be housed in broken ways by broken minds?

I'm looking for online interaction to offset my physical experiences with other humans. Usually the digital world is where at least one person presumes that their memory set (or qualia) applies to all other digital denizens.

>I'm actually rather confused as to why 4chan is, generally speaking, ACTIVELY less inclusive.

>>10078472
>>10078485
I’m talking about CS, the subject, not CS, the undergrad major. This paper looks plenty rigorous and interesting to me

>>10078494
This says nothing about CS as a field

>>10078494
Also, one has to gawk at some of the absurd comparisons they make

"a mathematician or physicist trained in reading definition"
A good amount of TCS, if not all TCS departments, are just math people. Of course other math PhD's and TCS PhD's can read each other's work and understand it; TCS people do traditional mathematics all the time. The paper that anon shared about complexity theory across the reals (alongside all the other geometry and topology papers to come out of the CS department these days) demonstrates that.

But say they're talking about undergrad education and the bits of TCS that's sort of previewed in bad CS programs. They're then claiming that a PhD in a mathematical science could pick up an undergrad book and learn it in a week. Well shit, stop the presses: a PhD is more capable than an undergrad?

tl;dr CS undergrad is a meme, while TCS is very much not. /sci/ needs to get past this and the bitterness it holds for a new generation of people competing for grant money.

t. mathematical analysisfag

>>10078494
I'm convinced /sci/ doesn't know TCS past intro algorithms, sorting, and basic compilers.

>>10078590
What more do you want from digital memory?

>>10078466
>I'm math/physics, and this looks cool as shit

Same here, then I took some upper level CS classes and started hating all CS majors for being subhuman brainlets.

>>10078556
Most of the work on TCS is done by Mathematicians and not CS PhDs

>>10078700
Nah, it’s 60-40 in favor of CS PhD’s

t. TCS PhD student

>>10078682
Clever algorithms and a rigorous examination of what a computer can do at the core of its conceptual limits, and of course the implementation. This goes way beyond the basics. Funnily enough, it’s usually CE people I’ve noticed having this reductive view of what CS actually is. I guess that’s what happens when you treat it like stamp collecting for employability

>>10078682
Also, computation doesn’t just take place on traditional digital memory. Look to susskind’s work on computational complexity to study black hole behavior

>>10078749
>>10078747
Memory is n-dimensional, but it is still memory at the end of the day. Shit that is stored, operated upon, and retrieved, atomically. The thing stored, operations, and substrate it is stored on, are up to material scientists.

>>10078751
Also, material scientists consider a qubit both information and material.

>>10078495
oh my god shut uuppp. fuck off lmao. Your writing is so painful to read on so many levels. I bet you have been told a million times it's horrible to interact with you but you don't have the slightest interest in addressing it. You think the problem must be everybody else and not you. Not very occam's razor is it?

>>10078746
Obviously you need to remove the low hanging fruit papers.

>>10078749
>susskind

Stop shilling his books retard

>>10078759
Happy to submit to any description of a problem that helps another. Just unsure of why you think I have access to your conclusion(s) on anything unless you personally express it.

>>10078771
>argle bargle

>>10078772
>What can be inferred from this?

*Makes 100k starting*

>>10078776
Your communications do not reach us. They are not received. It would relieve your consternation to stop attempting to make contact. Stop posting.

>>10078779
It always get boring when chatbot levels are reached. Did you not wish to grow, or at the very least believe you could?

>>10078785
btw which country were you born?

>>10078472
This.

>>10078495
>I'm actually rather confused as to why 4chan is, generally speaking, ACTIVELY less inclusive.

Fuck off >>>/reddit/, we're full.

>>10078797
You demonstrate the point, I inquire. Is it more all perspectives of one's own kingdom need be beyond reproach by others?

>>10078789
Java

>>10078466
See >>>/g/68087005

>>10078801
Can you give a straight answer to this question: What is the topic of this thread?

>Java
That's not a country.

>>10078813
It is an island located in a country. As for topic of this thread: memory grammar (from a language perspective)

>tfw no one likes or talks about timing analysis
it's the most interconnected aspect of CS. you need knowledge graph theory, compilers, OS, and real-time

>>10078801

>>10078822
thank you. Now, can you give me a straight answer to this question: Why, when the thread title is
>TCS (theoretical computer science)
and the original post's body said
>What's it really about? Jobs? How much knowledge required going into grad school?
do you think that the topic of the thread is
>memory grammar (from a language perspective)
?

>>10078829
It is the only contribution I can make on the topic, so I do like others: Present My Case. However it is more reactive response to fill the void in others rather than a frank, shared inspection.

Unless you are asking me to format my approach, which wouldn't make much sense. Then again you may be asking in order to achieve a more pleasing me for you.

>I seek to leave only pleasent memories.

>>10078836
Okay last question. Have you been diagnosed with Schizophrenia or Schizotypal Personality Disorder? (If no, have you ever been tested for either of these conditions?)

>>10078838
Why would I be tested if the only requests I experience made to such an effect are from a digital source? (I wanted to start with the parenthesis because it had the largest clause set.)

The simple answer: No. Why would I, or people like yourself, have that much involvement with any mental health? Then again depression is #1 America.

>>10078845
>No, why would I
give it a whirl

>>10078848
You would be so happily convinced by a random digital interaction to be driven to making appointments? How would you ever get anything done in your life if you always listen to others and not yourself?

>>10078850
jes giv it a whirl

>>10078855
We've already done the chatbot thing.

>>10078472
>>10078690
The CS curriculum in the US is pretty watered down. It's pretty much turned into 4 year vocational school or job training. Take a look at the curriculum for this school in Europe:
https://www.mff.cuni.cz/to.en/studium/bcmgr/okaj/i1a2.htm

It's the undergraduate curriculum for CS. They take analysis starting in the first semester. Please don't let the corporate universites in the US confuse you. CS is not about computers or even programming, it's about information and computation, which happens to be modelled using mathematics.

>>10078764
It’s not even his books. These are recent papers.

>>10078926
I agree with this. I double majored in math and CS in the US to get a similar curriculum (albeit with some more classes on the pure math side)

>>10078926
The only courses in that curriculum that are not a complete joke are Analysis I and II, the rest is your typical american CS curriculum, heck you don't even need to do Computational Complexity, instead you do the usual "Automata and Grammars" course that it's 90% baby fsm and 10% intro to Turing Machines.

>>10079419
Do CS majors take abstract algebra in the US? Most of the math classes are there to build mathematical maturity, something that many US CS grads lack. Also, it's pretty common to continue on and get a Master's, during that time you take computational complexity. It's actually very uncommon to not get a masters because it's seen as an incomplete education if you don't.

>>10079419
>heck you don't even need to do Computational Complexity

They do the important bits in their Algorithms course. The complexity zoo isn't really that important until grad level.

>>10079842
>They do the important bits in their Algorithms course.

Just like american schools. They touch these topics superficially.

>>10079858
>implying you need more than a few classes to learn complexity theory at an undergrad level
all you need to know is
>what turing machines are
>cook's theorem
>proof that P-Space = NP-Space
>proof that NP is in P-Space
>some techniques for NP-Hard transformations

>>10079874
For the basics, yeah I’d say this isn’t bad.
Unfortunately things get really fun when you start talking about the complexity zoo, and especially when you start talking about continuous mathematics in computer science (as esoteric as it can get sometimes)

>>10079874
The point was that the curriculum in that european school isn't really much better than an american one. Although I admit having Analysis is better than Calculus.

>>10080042
I mean, you're making the assumption that their classes like algorithms are as watered down as US non research school's algorithms classes. I will say that introductory algorithms is really easy, but the more sophisticated things you want to do, the more rigorous your algorithms are going to be. Even in the realm of undergrad level CS, there are things that go far beyond your basic recurrences and complexities. A tree doesn't take much to understand. However, just like you can understand the rules of chess in a few minutes yet have no idea about how to win again, the implications of even the most basic tools makes it a very interesting thing to study.

tl;dr give credit where credit is due.

>>10080051
>I mean, you're making the assumption that their classes like algorithms are as watered down as US non research school's algorithms classes.
Maybe they're not but the only proof I have is the curriculum posted and their algorithms course syllabus is literally the same as american schools.

>>10080080
I had proofs in almost all my upper division cs classes. And I didn’t go to a big name school

>>10080141
I only shitpost whilst actively shitting so everyone knows that whilst my sphincter is being stimulated, it isn't by a phallus.

Join the shitposting battalion today!

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