/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10071812
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFrvqInWWHc
I'm watching this right now.

It very quickly seems that the whole vaccination thing is a scam in a manner and degree that I never quite realized. The whole logical framework, the whole structure, is just layers and layers of lies and fabrications predicated on people not checking histoircal data and the generations that actually lived through these times being dead or long since having had children. It also seems many diseases are actually novel and caused by vaccines.

It's not just manufacturing a problem to solve a problem, ie, profiteering. These things cause brain damage, lasting bodily dysfunction, and at this point, probably infertility. Vaccines were supposed to protect against disease but we're sicker than ever before. People who get (mandatory) vaccines and flu shots all the time are sick constantly, I'm never sick.

>>10071812
>Before you are quick to call vaccines perfect,
Nothing in medicine ever is "perfect", what amounts in effects to mere salt and water in one person can be a powerful medicine for another or outright poison for another one. The only thing you can find are solutions that work in 98% of the cases. The fact that vaccines aren't perfect but work/are safe only in 98% of cases doesn't mean they can be dismissed

>why won't any of the so called vaccine "experts" debate any medical professional expert on the subject and give them an answer to their questions or even do so with the public if they want to quell these "anti-vaxxers"
The benefits of vaccines are self-evident; and anti-vaxxers act in bad faith more often than not, making debate with them pointless.

>>10071823
>It very quickly seems that the whole vaccination thing is a scam in a manner and degree that I never quite realized. The whole logical framework, the whole structure, is just layers and layers of lies and fabrications predicated on people not checking histoircal data and the generations that actually lived through these times being dead or long since having had children. It also seems many diseases are actually novel and caused by vaccines.
>Polio and smallpox are spooks, nobody alive today has gone through REAL sickness!

>>10071812
>be me
>antivax activist
>want big win for team
>want to schedule a debate with pro vax
>know that the science supports vaccines
>make up fake pro vaxxers to debate with
>make up that they canceled
>straw man them
>Science BTFO
>Lol we won.

>>10071836
Polio was practically eradicated due to better sanitation, nutrition, and health services before the vaccine was even introduced. Its greater virulence correlated neatly with the mass introduction of diphtheria and pertussis vaccines.

>>10071849
>Polio was practically eradicated due to better sanitation, nutrition, and health services before the vaccine was even introduced.
The fuck are you on? Polio was almost destroyed exactly due to vaccines, sanatation techniques and things like that simply made so that the entirety of, say, Dallas, could be infected and knocked down and then crippled/killed, but outbreaks still happened in masse.

>Vaccines for pertussis caused polio outbreaks.
Nigga what.

This is "pirates prevent global warming"-tier.

>>10071812
I watched some of this. He raises good points about lack of reporting. Vaccines aren’t bad in themselves, but people need to know the risks, which do exist

>>10071866
>Polio was almost destroyed exactly due to vaccines
Polio was almost destroyed before vaccines.

>but outbreaks still happened in masse
They didn't.

Greater severity correlates with introduction of other vaccines which cripple Th1 immunity, and general immune system development.

>>10071812
In B4 VARS is only 1% that shit is basically a system to connect hypochondriacs with each-other. Correlation =/= causation.

In B4 that dumb graph that shows 1/100,000 deaths from X disease before the vaccine came out. It only counts the 1st world of 1st world countries.

>>10071812
>why won't any of the so called vaccine "experts" debate any medical professional expert on the subject and give them an answer to their questions or even do so with the public if they want to quell these "anti-vaxxers"
Google "unfalsifiable theory"

>>10071841
>make up fake pro vaxxers to debate with
>make up that they canceled

You do realize they go in depth on the experts that cancelled and they even say they called and talked directly with paul offit who refused and refused to allow anyone from his side to take part.

They would have blatantly lied by saying this, yet nobody has called them on it, but good try calling it "fake".

https://oneconversationatatime.com/participants

Heres your "fake" pro-vaxx participants though.

>>10071882
Uh, it's not supposed to show correlation is causation, it's supposed to show we don't have a working injury reporting system if only 1% is being reported...

They look at 1st world countries because they aren't drinking shit contaminated water, gee I wonder why those 3rd world country kids are dying, it's gotta be the measles right? Measles killed them! Not the fact they are starving, drinking shit water and don't wash their food, their hands or have proper hygiene.

>>10071823
>>10071871
It's not about showing how bad vaccines are, it's the fact that the higher ups on the pro-vaccine side refused to allow anyone on the pro-vaxx side to defend it, they didn't want discussion, they didn't want to give answers, people have questions, both the parents and the medical professionals, these type of events are meant to give us insight on the inner workings of vaccines that the "experts" don't usually have time to give to each individual person but they don't want to answer those concerns they just want to repeat the same thing over and over "Vaccines are safe and effect" and "You are anti-vaxx for having concerns". What parent is not concerned about injecting several dozen vaccines into their newborn baby?

>>10071921
Weird that all the people that canceled are just a last name and random acronyms making it hard to search for and the ones who didn't have full names making them easy to search for.

>>10071981
Have you tried not being retarded?

>>10072129
So why not add the first name?
The answer is deniability, If someone calls their bluff they can say "oh it was a different doctor stringer".

>>10072137
They list so much information about the doctor that it would be impossible to mistake them.

The reason for not adding the first name may be because the AAP pulled them out and there may be some stipulation that they didn't want to get called on, dunno.

You're bitching because they didn't list their first name and want to go "FAKE AND GAY" when all it takes is a google search with "i'm feeling lucky" to get the answer, it's not hidden, it's not something you can mistake, they give the last name with a full disclosure of their occupation so it would be nigh impossible to mistake them.

>>10072137
http://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/profiles/Chen-Wilbur/
https://www.michaeljfox.org/foundation/researchers.php?id=653
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jubilee-brown-425599122
http://www.msm.edu/about_us/FacultyDirectory/Medicine/HaroldStringer/index.php
https://publichealth.wustl.edu/scholars/michael-s-kinch/
https://roelab.wustl.edu/people/
https://theconversation.com/profiles/dave-hawkes-17781

This took me 2 minutes of googling, I would hope you're not this retarded to think they're hiding anything because first names aren't listed.

In the next year or two a large portion of the population will unquestioningly and religiously support forced vaccination of all children and mandatory vaccinations of adults for things that will make them difficult or infeasible to avoid.

These people are weaponized idiots, and we need to get in front of the cattle before we're swept along and it's too late. California is the visible case where this is unfolding right now.