/sci/ - Science & Math

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>>10063940
all they have to do is discriminate more against asian and white males to make the field less competitive

It wont work. Blacks are too poor and generally have grades too low to get into it. You can try all you want to get them interested but that wont mean their mom is going to pay for them to go to a good university.

>Average IQ of 80
>Why aren't blacks getting into science!
>I know, it's whites, they racist!

>>10063985
iq is not science anon. iq is pseudoscience.

>>10063977
Scholarships, my man

>>10063997
You're right, IQ is not a science, it's a metric. Psychometrics is a science.

>>10063940
It doesn't matter if underrepresented groups major in physics or not, all that matters is that we advance the human race

>>10063985

>2018 AD
>unironically believing in the magic brain numbers

>>10064004
g factor has no scientific rigor, anon. that's why iq has no relation to science in such terms.

>>10064012
>g factor has no scientific rigor, anon
Mmmh I wonder who's correct, the entire body of work produced by academics over the past 100 years, or some random anon on a tibetan tapestry web forum who fails at basic grammar and punctuation and who is most likely of negroidal persuasion.

>>10064014
Let's see:
>Mmmh I wonder who's correct, the entire body of work produced by academics over the past 100 years, or some random anon on a tibetan tapestry web forum who fails at basic grammar and punctuation and who is most likely of negroidal persuasion.
Yet iq cannot even answer the most fundamental questions:
>doesn't know what is intelligence
>doesn't define intelligence influences
>doesn't explain intelligence physical mechanism
Iq is pseudoscience.

>>10063997
>>10064009
>A metric that predicts your intelligence isn't science, so let's act like 80 IQ people can totally do physics

>>10064022
>>doesn't know what is intelligence
>>doesn't define intelligence influences
Intelligence is defined by g and there exists a plethora of studies aimed at studying enviromental influences on g, so you're flat out wrong.
>>doesn't explain intelligence physical mechanism
Strawman, you don't need to understand the physical mechanism to study intelligence. The same is true for most of biology and medicine, we don't really understand (yet) the underlying fundamental mechanisms, but that doesn't invalidate the results obtained so far.

Now go be a nigger somewhere else.

>>10064031
>cannot define it but measure it
kek
>>10064038
>intelligence is defined
Nope.
>"The definition of intelligence is controversial.[5] Some groups of psychologists have suggested the following definitions: "
Psychologists cannot even put a definition on intelligence.
>environmental influences
More like test influences, which lacks the conection for such supposed intelligence which is not even defined.
>you don't need to understand intelligence to define it
Hmm? Then intelligence is no more than pseudoscience from the middle-ages.

Even more precise.

The definition you are spouting is applied in social sciences where fenomena isn't even described but implied elements based on the psychology theory of the decade, are used for statistics and thrown in the archive without any kind of physical or direct fenomena explanation.

Iq is included in the social "" science "" topics and research.

>>10063940
Based AI will solve all our problems
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-com-jobs-automation-insight/amazon-scraps-secret-ai-recruiting-tool-that-showed-bias-against-women-idUKKCN1MK08G

>>10064057
Your ramblings and wikipedia copy pastings make no sense. I won't waste my time arguing with you. It's like arguing with a flat earther.

At the end of the day niggers are retarded and will remain retarded for the foreseeable future.

>>10064068
>your text is a rambling!
>you are x!
Great insight.

Pseudoscience lovers are so entertaining...

>>10064057
>It isn't 100% exactly defined therefore the concept doesn't exist.
Have you never been to primary school?
If some fuckers struggle there, than you can't deny that they are objectively dumber than the average population. And if IQ test have a positive correlation with primary school succes can you then still deny that IQ has at least some predictory value?
It's not like those kids could've been screwed over by the system that they became so unthinking at that age already.

>>10064085
Who are you quoting?
There is no consensus definition due to psychologists making up more definitions and still not knowing shit about the physical phenomena.
>shifts the topic assuming iq is science
When will pseudoscience supporters learn?

>>10063985
Do women have an average IQ of 80 too?

bunch of bullshit. we DON'T NEED DIVERSITY. we need good people. this shit puts the whole scientific enterprise at risk and denies careers to qualified and able people just because of their gender/skin color.

>>10064143
>denies careers to qualified and able people
It literally doesn't

>>10064103
you're trolling right? things don't have to be defined to be a thing holy shit, when can one call a person friendly? or reliable? or any other personality trait? you can't exactly define these things and when you do there's people that will disagree with your definition, but if you just function in the real world you can tell when someone is a friendly or a naive, or a reliable, or a ... person. I don't care about there not being a consensus between psychologists over a good enough definition to satisfy penislickers like you.
I just provided you with a real world example of why maybe IQ tests aren't completely without value. I wasn't shifting topics, what i was saying is: IQ tests <-> good in school <-> intelligence, where <-> signifies correlation.

>>10064151
No, see, you don't understand.

We don't know how the brain works at the quantum, atomistic level. Therefore, the only reasonable conclusion is that negroids are just smart and capable as others!

>>10064151
to add to this, even if intelligence isn't well-defined, it's very easy to define parameters of what being a good physicist is. just check grades, and citations and see what the correlation is between those and results of IQ tests or make another test with better correlation than that of an IQ test.

>>10063940
Hopefully the stock market crashes for good so that unemployment rises and the people responsible for writing this bullshit and do other useless jobs live on the street

>>10064151
>things don't have to be defined
>calling someone happy is as defined as intelligence and both are science
>this is real world
My fucking sides. Pseudoscience lovers are so funny.


>i haven't shifted the topic
>"iq is science because i say so, btw what about school niggers assuming iq is science?"
Amazing.
>>10064154
You seem obssesed about black people.
>>10064162
>correlation=causation
>iq tests
When will pseudoscientists learn?

>>10064151
>penislickers
Why the homophobia?

>>10064185
>"iq is science because i say so, btw what about school niggers assuming iq is science?"
yei'm not assuming iq is science, I'm saying that these tests give a number that is very stable, so if you take 2 tests the numbers will very likely be really close, and then when you take lots of people who all have a number like this, and you look at their school results, a second number for each person, then these numbers have a correlation, there's no causation involved it's irrelevant to the question, the causation of both numbers is just a combination of genes, coincidence and upbringing until the age of 6 (this is why i chose primary school, to minimize the environmental factor). After that, if you don't accept primary school results to have anything to do with intelligence then you do you.

>>10064148
Yes it does

>>10064185
>>10064206
also i never talked about niggers lol, my primary school had a single black person, and I don't believe she struggled with primary school, but whatever floats your persecution complex i suppose.

>>10064148
it does because the quality of candidates drops significantly. Also STEM requires elite iq and women and minorities have sig lower chances of producing said elite iq than white/asian/jewish males (for women its like 1:8-1:16 for elite iq to white male elite iq and for blacks its closer to 1:16-1:25). Thus, you are, unless you want the exact same rate of matriculation of blacks and woman, absolutely going to have to lower standards both for admissions and to push them through their programs. This is why there is a consistent failure on the part of blacks to perform in mathematics and women as well (though not as bad, as white women have higher avg iq than black men and women, by almost a full standard deviation). Think about the distribution of intelligence in any population. There's a reason Jews are overrepresented in academia and its because they have a much larger number of people who fall into the 135+ iq range, well a higher rate at least, than any other race. Asians are the same, as are northern european males.

>>10063940
ive seen some dumb physics majors and just working with them and trying to act nice while not trying to insult their intelligence made me hate aff action even more

judge based on merit not on some libtard sht

i wonder how many more years ahead in science we would be if aff action didnt exist

>>10063940
I wonder why theres a movement for equalit trying to get stem to be diverse by getting more women into it, yet none of these movements try getting nursing to be more diverse by getting more men to join it.

>>10064235
there should be a movement to get more women in prison to improve diversity

>>10064185
>>correlation=causation
Nobody said anything about causation. If a correlation is as established as it is with IQ however, it's an important factor for education, employment and anything where certain abilites are required.

>>10063985
>Average IQ of 80

The average African American IQ is 85, you fucking racist piece of shit. Go back to /pol/.

Obvious /pol/ bait.

Won't affect anyone in /pol/ since they're too dumb to go to college anyway.

>>10064207
It doesn't. The claim itself makes the assumption that the PoC/woman getting that career is not qualified. And that is false.

>>10064224
>STEM requires elite iq
Kek. I believe 35% of all bachelor's degrees are in STEM. It's not hard as much as it is workload.

>>10064255
If a nigger (please don't use the expression "PoC") or a woman gets a job because of their minority status, a more qualified person will have been left out.

>>10064255
>t. online marketeer degree

>>10064260
>the white male is ALWAYS more qualified than the PoC/woman
Why make this claim?

>>10063997
this

take for example Grigori Perelmann, he is said to be 238 IQ because of his math skills, but he is actually a lunatic paranoid NEET right now and there are a lot of studies about how IQ isnt related to maths as it can be taught like a language getting in Wernicke's area therefore most of those "geniuses" like Perelmann can solve exercises without writing them as they think about it just like we think about the answer to someone's question about the weather and other irrelevant shit

>>10063985
cant deny this though. niggers seem to have interesting "alternate" brain developing.

>>10064283
>because of their minority status

>>10064291
>because of their minority status
So you're saying they get hired when not qualified? Sorry, but that literally doesn't happen.

>>10064297
Less qualified than a non-"minority" i.e. white/male.

>>10064249

>>10064298
Generally all final applicants for a position are about equally qualified. You don't hire over-qualified or under-qualified people. Any preference for minority status is very minimal.

>>10064305
That's strangely specific for such a broad statement. Those are the ideal conditions. I'm pretty sure in reality this heavily depends on the university, faculty and staff.

>>10064128
the average IQs of men and women are the same, but men have boarder distribution leading to there being more men at the ends of the bell curve than women

>>10063997
If IQ wasn't real it wouldn't be partially genetic, nor would it correlate to things such as cranial volume or reaction times to stimuli.

>>10064313
brain size has nothing to do with IQ. actually, the smaller the better as it can work more efficiently e.g in a larger brain a protein feeds 4 neurons while in a smaller one a protein feeds 2, smaller ones also have stronger connections while larger ones are loose and vast.
still genetics do play a role as some people seem to form very specific larger and stronger tissue connections in the brain cortex such as Einstein's (who also had a small brain) omega

>>10064346
btw by brain size i meant the "larger brain = higher iq" bullshit argument

>>10064057
This. Species don't exist either and neither does life since we can't define it well.

pajeets and chinks dont seem to have any problems
and they arent exactly the richest when they start out

>>10063940
Nobody should get better options just because he's underrepresented. His under representation have a meaning.

>>10064252
>im so smart none of those dumb /pol/s go to college haha
Jesus is everyone in sci this much of self felating faggot

More diversty of what fucken iq lol

Why are IQ deniers so fucking worthless? The only pseudoscience are IQ deniers. Shut the fuck up. Its astounding that you think quantifying intelligence is some impossible task. What do you think the g factor is about? Do you think intelligence is magic? It can be quantified, it can be predicted, and it is genetic. And that makes more sense then someone who thinks the magic environment magically makes people more or less intelligence.

>>10064057
>Psychologists cannot even put a definition on intelligence.
Yeah, and physicists can't agree on the definition of gauge theory, but if I ask "is Yang-Mills theory a gauge theory?", they would all agree that it is: if even in physics there are very minor differences in definitions, one must expect even more of the same in psychology. A few cranks offering a wildly different definition -- typically as part of their own pet theory or political tilt -- tells us nothing, and happens in every subject.
>>>you don't need to understand intelligence to define it
>Hmm? Then intelligence is no more than pseudoscience from the middle-ages.
Bullshit! Many things we study in science aren't fully understood. Again, look at physics (since that's what this thread is about); we don't know how to explain the fractional quantum Hall effect, type II superconductivity, confinement, inflation,galaxy rotation curves, the black hole information paradox, neutrino masses, turbulence, and many more, but each one has a precise definition.

>>10064346
>brain size has nothing to do with IQ.
That's an appealing idea, but it's just not true according to empirical data.
Brain size really *is* correlated with IQ. And now that we've measured that, it's not so surprising in retrospect, is it?

>>10065750
The idea of that it is possible to quantify the attribute from which they derive their self-worth is extremely disturbing to many IQ deniers. It makes them feel scared and vulnerable.

>>10063940
Should I say it, /sci/?

>>10065904
>makes them feel scared and vunerable
And this is what it all comes down too, equality, diversity, all of that is so we dont hurt peoples fee fees

>>10066127
Actually diversity can be beneficial.

>>10066127
Your feelings seem pretty hurt since niggers live in your head rent free

>>10064022
>>doesn't know what is intelligence
>>doesn't define intelligence influences
https://open.lib.umn.edu/intropsyc/chapter/9-1-defining-and-measuring-intelligence/
IQ is not supposed to define intelligence. It is supposed to measure several types of intelligence.
>>doesn't explain intelligence physical mechanism
I don't have to know the mechanism behind why a fluid behaves the way it does to describe the motion of a fluid or to predict the behavior of a fluid. In fact, knowing the mechanism behind a fluid's behavior can interfere with the ability to make predictions. Fluid dynamics does not need to know the atomic model for a fluid (physical mechanism) in general to make any predictions about the behavior of 100 kg of that fluid. It is acknowledged but not used since it gets in the way real world computations.

Science is about making predictions. I don't need a physical mechanism to make predictions. For example, people have studied heredity for a long time before even knowing what a gene is or what the DNA/RNA transcribing mechanism is. However, people have been able to make viable predictions about heredity without that knowledge. People have also been able to study evolution prior to the knowledge of genes and chromosomes.

In general, a model of a phenomenon does not necessarily need to account for or even acknowledging the existence of a physical phenomenon to make accurate predictions in regards to said phenomenon.
>Iq is pseudoscience.
You're obviously operating under a different definition of science than everyone else.

>>10064303
He's not black

>>10066140
>>10066161
>cries /pol/ all day
>talking about rent free
Lol

>>10066173
>desperately feels the need to defend /pol/ despite it not being mentioned
Can we call it a cult at this point?

>>10064346
> larger brain a protein feeds 4 neurons while in a smaller one a protein feeds
> smaller the better as it can work more efficiently
By your reasoning, it's better to be a housecat than a lion because the housecat only needs to eat a few hundred calories a day where the lion needs to eat several thousand calories per day. Besides, resource efficiency doesn't really matter than much in nature.

>smaller ones also have stronger connections while larger ones are loose and vast
That's necessarily true. Growing homonid intelligence was primarily an effect of growing brain size. The 1000cc brain of a homo erectus was able to make more advanced tools than a chimp and then use those tools to collect more calories and transform them into something way easier to digest than anything a chimp ever could.

>>10066183
It was mentioned in this thread plenty of times tard

>>10064249
AHAHAHAHAAHHAHA

Nice one

>>10066211
Not in the posts you replied to. The only time /pol/ is mentioned (twice) was to call the thread /pol/ bait, and one was doing so ironically. I think you might be a little overly sensitive and protective of your brethren.

>>10066211
Not by the person you responded to. Rent free

>>10063940
Its bullshit. You want competent people in the field, not a diversity quota.

>>10066161
Except I never mentioned "niggers" did I? Retard

>>10064290
>it can be taught like a language getting in Wernicke's area
Ok, can you please point me to some studies of this shit? Because that would be very relevant to what I'm currently working on.

>>10063977
You're right. We should discourage them from trying for things they can't achieve. Everyone will be happier in the long run.

>>10063985
>extrapolating results from the "draw a man" test given to children who had never held a pencil
>children accustomed to having their faces marked for ritual purposes didn't remove the researcher's mark from their face for the mirror test
>taking samples from hospitals for malaria-infected children (protip: malaria is known to cause brain damage in over 50% of victims)
>private school that tested high IQ: rejected because a private school. a private school that tested low IQ scores: representative!
>samples from a school for the retarded located in Spain used as a proxy for average IQ of Equatorial Guinea
Pic related: high IQ = unrepresentative, low IQ = representative, regardless of study methodology or soundness.
Source:
Jelte M. Wicherts, Conor V. Dolan, Han L.J. van der Maas, The dangers of unsystematic selection methods and the representativeness of 46 samples of African test-takers, Intelligence, Volume 38, Issue 1, 2010, Pages 30-37, ISSN 0160-2896, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2009.11.003
>In light of all the available IQ data of over 37,000 African test-takers, only the use of unsystematic methods to exclude the vast majority of data could result in a mean IQ close to 70. On the basis of sound methods, the average IQ remains close to 80. Although this mean IQ is clearly lower than 100, we view it as unsurprising in light of the potential of the Flynn Effect in Africa (Wicherts, Borsboom, & Dolan, 2010) and common psychometric problems associated with the use of western IQ tests among Africans.

>>10066320
So it be the white mans fault n sheeit? Got it

>>10066320
>durrr LOL it's still 80, that's less than 100, Checkmate!!1 xD
Yes, Cletus. Let me connect the dots for you. Average IQ is naturally lower in underdeveloped, famine- and war-torn nations where genetic potential cannot be reached.
Environment can't make an idiot smarter, but it can obviously turn a genius into an idiot.

Examples:
Moleti Mariacarla, Trimarchi Francesco, et. al. Thyroid. February 2016, 26(2): 296-305. https://doi.org/10.1089/thy.2015.0336
>Overall, the prevalence of borderline or defective cognitive function was more than threefold higher in the children of mothers not using iodized salt than of those mothers using it (76.9% vs. 23.1%, odds ratio 7.667 [CI 2.365–24.856], χ2=12.65; p=0.0001).
Yousafzai, Aisha K et al. Effects of responsive stimulation and nutrition interventions on children's development and growth at age 4 years in a disadvantaged population in Pakistan: a longitudinal follow-up of a cluster-randomised factorial effectiveness trial. The Lancet Global Health , Volume 4 , Issue 8 , e548 - e558 http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S2214-109X(16)30100-0
>1302 mother–child dyads were re-enrolled between Jan 1, 2013, and March 31, 2013, all of whom were followed up at 4 years of age. Children who received responsive stimulation (with or without enhanced nutrition) had significantly higher cognition, language, and motor skills at 4 years of age than children who did not receive responsive stimulation.

So, the important question is, if you took those blacks and raised generations of them in London, what would you measure?
This is one question "The Bell Curve" tried to answer. From Lynn's base figure of 70 they extrapolated a mean IQ of 85 for Black Americans.

What if we start with more accurate base IQ of 80 and applied the same corrections? Black IQ might have come up to 95 or higher... which would contradict the agenda of Pioneer Fund who paid for these race "science" studies. Hence the reliance on gamed "statistics".

>>10066329
Just stating the fact that the race IQ studies are fake news, based on fraudulent data.
Sorry if you weren't prepared to deal with facts and logic. Why not try /pol/? They'll be more receptive of your emotional appeals there.

>>10066350
>muhhh /pooooooooooooool/
rent free

>>10066357
>Haha I'm trolling these libs XD

>>10066334
They're still stupid and violent in first-world countries.

>>10066361
Now you're posting your ms-paint comics? Just admit you're seething

>>10066165
This

>>10066350
Then why do jews still take their IQ results as fact?

>>10066874
We don't. We just like triggering white supremacists.

>>10066334
Nutrition and the environment you're brought up in are obviously important, don't think anyone would disagree or is disagreeing. Are these racial IQ studies cited a lot by people you disagree with? To me it is very clear that some ethnic groups have created societies that are conducive to maximizing the potential of all the citizens and some ethnic groups have not. I don't care about average IQ but there are clearly differences between the races.

>>10066899
I always knew kikes were dumb

>>10066189
Well, housecats are dominating a niche and thriving, due to their cooperation with humans, while lions are going extinct.

>>10063940
Simple, obvious solution is for more places in Africa to teach their students physics. I wonder if they thought of that.

>>10064235
Agreed. Let's also see more men in teaching! In our single-mom culture, boys need all the father figures they can get.

>>10067175

They do but it's clear those who are intellectually able once they reach adulthood have very serious decisions to make involving bettering their lives/family or the greater community.

Do you leave Africa like Dr. Omalu for better wealth and research opportunities but face off with billion dollar industries when providing results that threaten status quo. Or do you stay like Dr. Mukwege serving tens of thousands victims of a corrupt society/ government that constantly issue you death threats. Neither decision is objectively correct as both have serious trade-offs.

>>10064255
>using “PoC” unironically

>>>/r/eddit

>>10063940
It's already fucking garbage, I can't see how letting in more poos would fuck it up even more.

>>10067221
>Do you leave Africa like Dr. Omalu for better wealth and research opportunities
full stop

>>10063940
What is an "underrepresented group" and what does it have to do with physics?

I know representations of lie groups/algebras are important in physics, but what is an underrepresentaiton of a group?

>>10066904
>To me it is very clear that some ethnic groups have created societies that are conducive to maximizing the potential of all the citizens and some ethnic groups have not.
Don't conflate ethnic groups with geographical and cultural groups.

>>10066255
>tfw when wearing a rain pancho
>tfw when you get kicked out of a building for going in the wrong door.

I don't like it because my grades are mediocre and it means I have even less of a chance....

>>10063940
Alright, let's push for equality.
Let's have 50% male 50%females in physics (Do we also push the graduation rate to be 50/50 ?)
Then we should also have a 50/50 proportion in coal mines, construction sites, welding.
And also a 50/50 proportion in nail salons and nursing (too many women in there!!)

And also a 50/50 proportion in prisons. Let's arrest more women! Men are over represented among criminals!

>>10067808
And 50/50 in suicide statistics. Not enough women kill themselves.

>>10064008
ONE RACE THE HUMAN RACE ONE RACE THE HUMAN RACE ONE RACE THE HUMAN RACE ONE RACE THE HUMAN RACE ONE RACE THE HUMAN RACE

>>10063985
Black africans developed trigonometry to build pyramids, cumskin.

>>10067808
What a dumbass. It is already 50/50 in those professions and many others. Either you are a man, or you don't matter. Simple math.

>>10066945
No, we are smart, we just know that smarts aren't everything. Being savvy and resourceful is more important, and doesn't show on IQ tests. But I've already given you too many Jew secrets, so I'll be leaving now.

>be in stem
>all the white guys do very well, show up to class everyday, etc.
>the women and minorities barely scrape by with C’s even in the departments easiest courses
>many show up late EVERY SINGLE DAY, or just skip class in general
>they rely on the curve to pass
This is who we need more of in stem?

>>10066092
say it

>>10063940
>Wernicke's area
>>10064290
please anon I would like to see wher you get his language idea from.

>be gay
>be non-white
>have literally zero representation in the field
>while women feel the need and entitlement to cry about not having enough female speakers in the department colloquia even though we've already had 4

>>10067992
>now introducing Dr. Fag, your guest speaker

>>10067992
>>be gay
>>be non-white
since when do minorities get a white man's disease?

I haven't read this thread, is that worthless egotistical black IQ denying fuckwad here?

>>10067818
Quit false flagging, /pol/

Psychology student here (Serbia, where we study math as well)
I just wanted to tell you that you are all retarded and should not baffle with something that you don't understand. Reading popular psychology books and arguing on pastry boards about a phenomenon that you only start to understand on postdoc, won't lead to enlightenment.
To solve this bitchery of a problem, I will use one word:
>operationalisation

>>10068916
Man the Eurangutans are pretty mad today

>>10067818
the Egyptians weren't black; their closest relatives are the Semites and Berbers

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694.epdf?referrer_access_token=ws64Lcj1emtHwF5AgSH4TdRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0O7luaVC1U6l9YDQhdr61iZbfByXh2mac6US6V69OLcyk-AYcggY4Bni_pTyB3kudK--ktJHbKt2SKEo4N5_d2JMj6FHGTyiwFONy3-H1hpF3RDZx5nEAz6Yi7RLyqH0qt6w5EHrA3M2EifQlOZQQX1OeJuMqXESa9ZgMDPF3e-E7rS4gcph0VAwjrAW3nT_hHn5cFgYX7KjnzIYnfWNEWDZdCURKQYhVubzw60KqxZVA%3D%3D&tracking_referrer=www.cnn.com

>>10063940
WE NEED MORE WOMEN. FUCK FEMINIST FOR NOT CONVINCING WOMEN TO STUDY ENGINEERING

>Thread immediately devolves into race and IQ
Even when taken into account they are underrepresented in Physics. This is not a problem of IQ the problem is physics, tons of minorities take engineering/computer science, mathematics, architecture, chemistry or make it through med school but they rarely take physics.
This is purely because it doesn't offer the opportunities presented by other fields so it's shunned by the types of student who otherwise could thrive in it.

>>10063985
>>10063997
>>10064004
>>10064031
>>10064290
>>10064313
>>10064249
>>10067818
>>10068916
Racialism is pseudoscience.

>>10070185
no its because of low iq, and no tons of minorities that are not south or east asians don't go into mathematics or chemistry

I support that if it gets my slavic ass into Yale

>>10063940
Sounds like a Jewish article. Everyone knows that said "underrepresented groups" don't give a shit about disciplines such as physics even when the opportunity is there

>>10063997
IQ is a construct that is measured by reliable tests that consists of subtests. Every test has a huge manual describing what they see as intelligence and how their test measures it. You obviously can't measure real pure intelligence if there even is such a thing. IQ measurement is psychology which is the only way we can do such measurements now. Those tests have subtests that measure specific thing like problem solving, many have verbal and non verbal part. We just take scores and the sum is IQ. It is a social science and there are many variables that plays huge role in it so the only thing we can do while measuring someones IQ is trying to reduce those unwanted variables. But if you are anxious as fuck your IQ may be lower because those tests use time limit as important variable.

There are more than 1 used IQ test. Let's also not forget that IQ tests were and are mainly used to diagnose childrens and are not great at predicting qualitative differences or even abilities that are not measured in their specific IQ theory. There are many problems with IQ tests but that doesn't mean we should just say it is pseudoscience and don't test at all. What other tool would you suggest then?

>>10063985
>Average IQ of 100
>Why are whites in science when the average IQ in science is 130?
Average IQ is meaningless, retard

>Look mom, I made a /pol/ thread on /sci/, and somebody called me out for it
>Now I get to say "RENT FREE"
>EPIC WIN

>>10070650
wrong you retard, average affects the tail of the distribution very strongly and thus is the most important variable

given two populations, one average IQ 80, the other average IQ 100, people above IQ 130 are almost all from population #2

>>10063940
BIX NOOD MUFUGGA

>>10070206

>actually believing blacks are our equals

>>10070206

>>10070206

we'z human n sheeiit

OK IQ deniers:

http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com

On this website are a fucktonne of links, dozens of them being studies that confirm differences in intelligence.

http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/10/james-watson-tells-inconvenient-truth_296.php

This website illustrates the suppression of James Watson's proposal of genetic differences.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

This is a transracial adoption study that shows that Black IQ in the US is not correlated with upbringing, as well as it being 1 SD lower than White.

These are the results:

"The W-W/W-B difference is 8.3 IQ points. The B-W/B-B difference is 9.5 IQ points. And the W-W/B-B difference is 17.8 IQ points.

The difference in IQ scores between 2 black biological parent adoptees and 1 black biological parent adoptees is nearly 10 IQ points despite the fact that both share the exact same social identity.

Similarly a dozen mixed race children that were raised under some mistaken information that they had two black biological parents nevertheless developed IQ scores like the other mixed race children."

http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997whygmatters.pdf

This is a defence of g in everyday life.

https://www.cato-unbound.org/2007/11/08/linda-s-gottfredson/shattering-logic-explain-flynn-effect

This is a rebuttal of the flynn effect.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/Race-differences-in-average-IQ-are-largely-genetic.aspx

This is another study.

http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/02/22/0956797612457952.full.pdf+html

And another.

http://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/african-cognitive-ability.pdf

And another.

http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/articles/Rushton%2C%20J.%20Phillipe%20%26%20Arthur%20R.%20Jensen.%20%22African-White%20IQ%20differences%20from%20Zimbabwe%20on%20the%20Wechsler%20Intelligence%20Scale%20for%20Children-Revised%20are%20mainly%20on%20the%20g%20factor.%22%20Personality%20and%20Individual%20Differences%2034%20(2003).pdf

And another.

http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/articles/Rushton%2C%20J.%20Philippe%20%26%20Arthur%20R.%20Jensen.%20%22The%20rise%20and%20fall%20of%20the%20Flynn%20Effect%20as%20a%20reason%20to%20expect%20a%20narrowing%20of%20the%20Black-White%20IQ%20gap.%22%20Intelligence%2038%20(2010).pdf

More on the flynn effect.

https://www.vdare.com/articles/a-few-thoughts-on-iq-and-the-wealth-of-nations

This connects IQ to prosperity and other metrics.

http://www.amazon.com/Global-Inequality-Consequence-Human-Diversity/dp/0957391374/vd0b-20

You can guess what this is about.

Considering the amount of evidence, both academic and indirect (there are no black nobel prize winning physicists, chemists, or physicians and only one economist). I cant think of another explanation than genetic intelligence differences, which also explain Jewish predominence in much of physics and society in general.

>>10070700
>>10070704
>>10070708
>no arguments
>resorts to memes
Classic /pol/

>>10063940

Physics grads are unemployed, just like niggers, so it's a marriage made in heaven.

>>10070738
>>10070748
>more pseudoscience
https://np.reddit.com/r/BadSocialScience/comments/3cdz2z/rcoontowns_human_biodiversity_resource/

>>10064057
To measure and predict tides did people need to how they functioned? Is meteorology pseudoscience because we don't understand how exactly weather comes about? Are tests that can approximate g score and can predict how people perform pseudoscience?
Intellegence is a generic phenomenon, just like hieght, muscle composition, and eye color. Environment effect height, but someone whose meant to be 160 cm cannot become 182 cm not matter how much they eat. Someone can become stronger amd train their muscles, but an average genome will never be capable of athletic feats that are trivial to professional athletes. And eye color is set.
It's it not pseudoscience to say that populations that evolved in different environments have different different traits.

>>10066350
>>10066165
>>10064185

>>10070981

Wow, you managed to provide some evidence that part of one of the links employs some sources that aren't peer-reviewed! Ignoring the huge number of links on that website that are peer reviewed. Ignoring my other links that are peer reviewed. And better still, they remain with the 'oh you cant quite define what a race is so lets ignore it' argument which we all know is retarded. If you cherrypick the parts of the website that have nothing about genetic evidence, you won't find genetic evidence! Amazing!

Which seems more likely? Some vast supernatural stigma curses black people (regardless of the fact that half black half whites have been scientifically proven to do better than fulll blacks even when they think they're fully black as shown in my ). This effect exists even in black majority societies like South Africa, as I showed earlier, somehow preventing cognitively equal blacks from getting good jobs. Similarly, black children are somehow prevented from getting white-average scores on culture-independent IQ tests, around Africa. I'd give links to support this but nobody bothers to read them.

What would the world look like if hypothetically, blacks did have lower average IQ? Think about it. This would seem to explain their eternally lower income while other discriminated minorities like asians and jews now have higher incomes than whites. It would explain why blacks don't do well in schools. It would explain why culture independent tests seem to favour whites. It is a far simpler assumption.

Who cares? It's not like physics degrees actually get jobs or contribute to society anyways.

>>10064022
>>10064022
>Yet iq cannot even answer the most fundamental questions:
yeah and niggers + liberals can

>>10064303 >>10066166
>6ix9ine.jpeg

https://youtu.be/0wd65cEPMDo

There are a lot of Brainlets among both Whites & Blacks.

Why not let a few high IQ based ones get into Physics without be harassed.

US & UK already let Pajeets & Chinks in. Uni campus won't change that much.

>>10071869

>>10071938
thanks for the links, btw what do you think of the idea of regression to the mean w/r/t iq it seems a bit suspicious to me as all high iq families ive ever met produced exceptionally high iq children, it also seems to imply you cannot push iq higher in contained largely endogamous lineages but this makes no sense as Ashkenazi iq has been rising for just under 1000, and probably closer 2-400 hundred years of eugenic assortative mating selecting for high iq in endogamous pairings. East Asian coastal elites display this too w/iq avg’s close to 110 very clearly an arfifact of centuries of aggressive assortative mating. Im wondering how iq can jump 1-1.5 sd’s in northern europe from 1100 AD to 1900 AD without regression to the mean being a pretty insignificant part of the mechanics. Now granted it does make sense you could push the mean upwards continuously especially if there is vicious purging selection, and of course if we consider wealth to be perishable, 3 gens and it regresses to the mean for the underlying neuro-biological and base socio-biological traits (130-110 iq, 8/10 bougie to 7-8/10 retail worker), then are we seeing something similar with iq and does the end of that regression leave us at higher plateaus when we select strongly for iq and maybe also attractiveness since ofc attractiveness correlates strongly with above average (but not high) iq

I cannot help but I dream about teaching to China.

>>10063940
Even less white men. Great, I'm so much progress will be made

>>10071993
Those two are hispanic

>>10072155
>Those two are hispanic
Implying that Hu-white rappers as Eminem are any better

>>10064260
Qualification doesn't mean a stratified list where the candidate with the qualifications is hired. There is a line to see if candidates qualify and after passing that bar, businesses are free to hire the best candidate that fits their business decisions as long as they don't discriminate.

eg Two people in the same major may have GPAs of 3.8 and 3.9. There is not a useful difference in qualification so fitting the company culture is more important than that A- a candidate got.

>>10063997
>>10064012
>g factor has no scientific rigor
>>10064009
>>10064022

I'm so sick of retards talking about shit they have no idea about. Niggers are biologically stunted, take it up with nature.

>>10064057
>[5]
lmao

>>10066371
They're still exposed to similar factors in first-world countries

>>10073690
Wrong, they CREATE third world conditions wherever they are. A country is a reflection of the race that created it, if you fill your nation with third world peoples your nation will become third world.

>>10073711
>black people aren't exposed to lead poisoning because they're responsible for it
?

Maybe they should boost the iqs of niggers so they can be smart enough to do science

>>10070973
If you want to see people's actual arguments, just look through the archive and see the responses your picture got the dozens of times it's been posted before.

Extremely bright mathematically gifted creative thinkers are the main group that is under-represented in physics. All the other groups are over-represented.

>>10070206
You can’t use immigrant statistics to determine average IQ when immigrants differ economically so radically from the norm.

>>10070650
Average it is extremely important because it determines the extremities

>>10072023
I'll be surprised if he even answers -- that guy doesn't even understand regression to the mean.
What THEY pass off as "regression to the mean" is actually a mixture of the gambler's fallacy, a selection bias, and begging the question, concocted to deal a key embarrassment to their theory: the existence of high-achieving black families.
They presuppose their "mean" is correct, even though so much of the data has already been shown to be fraudulent and politicized by segregationists and eugenicists who, of course, invariably belong to the "superior" group.
There's also a contradiction (which you pointed out) -- how on earth did intelligence ever evolve in the first place, if it should converge on the mean intelligence of the ancestors?
Their group definitions are completely arbitrary. The faggot you responded to wants to be considered part of the "caucasian from the suburbs" group. What if instead we lumped him into a "/pol/ poster" group (strongly correlated with reduced intelligence) and then argue that his offspring's IQ will certainly regress towards that mean, would he buy it?

>>10074118
It's the same in places like Bermuda where the black population has been more or less randomly selected through slavery.

>>10074290
Source?

>>10074290
Bermuda is a ridiculous sample size for white iq, much worse than using african-americans for black african iq. You cannot sample nigerian immigrants and Pakistani immigrants for their racial iq you have to look at large groups of them in their own genetic environment. Everywhere you find just blacks or just West Asians you see the exact same patterns of behavior. Its only when you dump them in open western soceities, especially with absolutely no discretion in assimilating them (which Britain is suffering from even more than the US is), where the high iq immigrant families will raise the iq of that race. Overall though Blacks in the UK who are not immigrants do not outperform their white peers especially at the elite level. Its also worth mentioning whites are suffering reduced iq and the flynn effect is likely not real.

>>10066315
It's like me, a manlet, wanting to be a basketball player.
Equality of opportunity means that people who are good at basketball should not be prevented from becoming basketball players.
Not that they're entitled to become physicists.

>>10063940
I'n my experience these programs are watered down science classes that explore popular facts rather than a grounded approach to topics in science. In my country these programs run prior to Uni entry and ill equip students to study core topics, resulting in a large drop out after first semester

But yea, I dont care who does science. So long as people are doing it

Mind you I am a chemist

>>10074896
That doesn't really respond to anything he said since the white IQ didn't change from the US to Bermuda. It's the black IQ that changed.

>>10075007
Imagine if they started programs to get more under represented people into sports. Fat, short, uncoordinated, scrawny, unathletic, etc.

>>10075382
It's called little league. It's good to get all kids into sports, including the scrawny awkward kids. At least give them a chance at developing those skills, goddam.

>>10075382
They need to make MMA with downies

>>10073805
Correct.

Who do you think works in and oversees the facilities that are responsible for supposedly releasing the lead into the environment? More niggers. Look at Haiti compared to the Dominican Republic, niggers will turn any plot of land into a toxic wasteland.

>>10075667
t. IQ<80

Beside the point

No.

>>10063940
I don't give a fuck what race, gender, or species you are so long as you do good physics.

>>10077910
>t. marginalized minority diversity hire

>>10077925
Should I care more about a persons race then their ability to do physics, anon?

>>10077944
I'm so happy for you that you were able to escape persecution in your home country.

>>10064022

>height is a pseudoscience
>height cannot tell us what height IS
>height doesn't define height influences
>height doesn't explain the physical mechanism of height

That is literally what you are saying about IQ but I swapped it with a different measurement - height.

>>10077954
>Not responding to my point
I hope you life improves, anon. Its sad that you spend your time trying to bait strangers on the internet.

>>10077910
Text book virtue signaling.
>>10077944
Irrelevant to the point being made.
>>10077988
Disguised insulting implication. More virtue signaling. Continue avoiding point being made.

Take note. With these tried and true techniques virtually anyone can gain many NPC followers on social media.

>>10077971
Let me fix it for you.

Inches (as a scientific concept) is pseudoscience.
Inches does not tell us what causes height differences.
Inches has no influence on height.

>>10078021
>Text book virtue signaling.
You sure you know what that means?

>>10078021
What exactly is the point being made, anon?

>>10078031
Yes, I know what virtue signaling means. With your first post you implied that you are in a position to judge people on their physics acumen therefore are an expert in physics, a virtue in the context of this thread. Now with this latest post of yours, you have adequately demonstrated yourself to be a fucking moron - a truly stupid individual, by implying that I don't know what virtue signaling is when its clear that you yourself obviously do not. Now, I find it quite disturbing that you are apparently in a position to judge people in the area of physics, and that (based on the fact that you've been triggered as well) you are most likely also a "diversity hire".

Sincerely, please, go fuck yourself.

>>10078040
Thanks for continuing to demonstrate how irredeemably and truly retarded you really are

>>10078050
I'm not that original guy but
>you implied that you are in a position to judge people on their physics acumen therefore are an expert in physics
That wasn't implied at all....

>>10078054
>Not responding
Thanks for continuing to demonstrate how sad your life is.

>>10078057
Yes it is, because how can one know if they're looking at good physics or not if they weren't good at physics themselves.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! MORONS. EVERY FUCKING WHERE.

>>10064283
Because test scores are almost always lowered to allow black students. Find a school where the average black student has a higher SAT score.

>>10064305
>all applicants to a college or job are equally qualified

Are you crazy? They obviously aren’t arent.

Pathetic!

>>10066334
And African Americans are 100x richer and have access to better education and food than Vietnamese or Chinese rice pickers yet who is always smarter?

>>10067820
>hairdressers and coal miners are 50/50

Yeah no.

>>10067818
Nope, those were whites, quite ironically.

>>10078102
Never said this. After throwing out both under qualified and over qualified applicants, the remainders are quite close though.

>>10067818
WE

>>10078139
That’s not true. Asian Americans need to score hundreds of points higher on an SAT than an African American to get into a competitive college.

>>10063985
>>10063997
>>10064004
IQ is obviously a helpful metric, but if you rely on it completely you’re a tard. Level of education of the test taker, and the cultural differences between those giving the latest and those taking it, if it’s a cross-cultural/racial IQ study are also major influences.

>>10064009
>2018 AD
>not unironically believing in the magic brain numbers

>>10078198
>cultural differences
Yeah, black culture is devoid of logic and proficiency at math or science, which explains their low iq

>>10078180
You're responding to a blue haired HR cat lady who regularly discards applicatnts who are "overqualified"...

>>10068053
You killed 15 million of my people in ten years thanks to your variola

>>10078198
> Level of education of the test taker
This won't effect iq score, if anything its a sign of the test taker's iq
>and the cultural differences between those giving the latest and those taking it
these are accounted for in most iq tests, and this is also why raven matrices are often preferred to the Weschler test, as they are the second most g-loaded kind of intelligence test besides concept/vocab tests.

>>10075667
Haiti was really good until burgers fucked them for 200 years.

>>10064065
>create machine that literally cannot have bias because it works off raw data and outputs based on that factual information
>scrap it because it didn't give a PC output
it keeps happening, but they keep trying again and again expecting a different result

>>10078180
I was talking about jobs.

>>10078180
>tfw i got 1530 on the sat
damn
what a waste. i could have got the same results with a 1220?

>>10064065
>In effect, Amazon’s system taught itself that male candidates were preferable. It penalized resumes that included the word “women’s,” as in “women’s chess club captain.”

I think it's a good idea.

>https://superchargeyourlife.de/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Glaubenssaetze_3_Rosenthal_Jacobson.pdf
Higher expectations from teachers lead to increased academic performances, and vice versa.
The Pygmalion study found a difference of up to 15.4 IQ points between children randomly labelled as smart/dumb over their first grade year.
That's because teachers who suspect a kid might do well are more likely to act in ways that will lead to that happening.

But the problem is,
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0272775715300959
The expectations from white teachers on black students is much lower than the black teachers.
Compared to white pupils, teachers are 0.22 less likely to expect black or Hispanic students to complete a college degree but 0.16 more likely to expect Asian students to do so.

This leads to Asians spending 4 times as much time doing their homework as black people (pic related). Doesn't really seem to be deeply related to genetics if you ask me.

And that's assuming the quality of education available is the same for every community, which I doubt is the case in the US.

As a non-American Affirmative Action sounds absolutely revolting to me, but because of the phenomenon mentioned above, I wouldn't be against programmes meant to spark some interest in communities that might have internalised from a very early age that they couldn't achieve much academically. Not to force them into STEM, just to let them know it's not that hard if they put some work into it.

>>10078295
>Create a program that is tasked to continue hiring practices based on data created by current company culture.
>Surprised when it is exactly as racist and sexist as the current company culture but incapable of lying to cover it's own ass.
Sasuga AI.

>>10078498
Iq is genetic blacks do less work because they’re dumber and its more frustrating for them when they fail to see results from their efforts. Ive been around blacks my whole life, even at elite hs’s and uni’s they’re just fucking stupid and badly behaved

>>10078513
>Ive been around blacks my whole life
t. larper

>>10077910
>being okay with ayyliens from Delta Pavonis taking our top research jobs

Princeton released their stats from 2013 and they had about 1300 openings with 15k applicants.
Of those 15k, nearly 4000 had "perfect" scores i.e. 4.0 gpa and top percentile SAT/ACT. So you can see that even if they only choose from the "highest score" pool, most of them will be rejected.

Here's a hypothetical question:
If you have 6 asians, 2 whites, 1 hispanic, and 1 black, all with perfect applications, and only 5 slots, how would you structure your acceptance?

>>10078543
assuming all else being equal
assign them a number 1-10 and roll 5d10

>>10078543
Three Asians and two Whites.

>>10078518
t. weakling brainlet

>>10063940
It's important that Jews are brought up to a representative share
Whatever the percentage of the general population is what we need, and I won't take no for an answer

>>10064206
> stable
> derived from a kindergarten placement test
Goddard was a mistake

>>10065750
It would be one thing if IQ tests or standardized tests were free but in the end its all a marketing scheme where profit has to be made.

>>10065750
They are cowards and members of the religious left.

>>10064346
Shut up nigger. Your tiny nigger brain did not evolve past rape optimization, narcissism optimization and r-type breeding strategizing. White people have become so self-indulgent that they don’t even procreate anymore. The lowly and pathetic negro is used by these sick and disturbed whites to fulfill their unused parenting/empathy/altruism needs.

THIS IS HAPPENING

As a Jew I’m glad you weak beta faggots are offing yourselves. Good riddance.

>>10078625
Fuck you Nazi

Astronomical butthurt in this thread.

>>10078180
If I am half black how much does this help me?

>>10078729
If you weren’t half a nigger you’d know, wouldn’t you, Jamal?

Has any racial egalitarian ever lived in a diverse neighbourhood? My guess is not

>>10063997
t.

Sounds good goy

>>10063977
I'm white but come from a poor family, and this was the pill I had to swallow early on. No amount of financial aid or scholarships will cover everything, especially in California, so my motivation to do well academically dwindled.

I joined the military, just got out, and am now looking to use the GI bill which actually will pay for everything to get a yet to be decided degree.

>>10078942
>poor family
>America
Youre doing to so wrong anon

>>10079038
Cringe. American poor fags live better than just about anyone

>>10064022
>HE LITERALLY THINKS SCIENCE "EXPLAINS" THINGS LMAO
WHAT IS PREDICTIVE VALIDITY
WHAT IS THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD
ALL OF SCIENCE IS LITERALLY JUST SMART CORRELATIONS

>BUT WHAT IS GRAVITY????
>WHAT IS THE PHYSICAL MECHANISM OF GRAVITY? GRAVITONS???
>CHECKMATE PSUEDO SCIENCE NEWTON HEHEHE

please just die dude. IQ denial is literally just social desirability bias and cult think wrapped into one.

>>10079038
I didn't have any choice in the matter, so I don't know what you're getting at. I'll agree with the other poster and say that being poor in America isn't the worst thing in the world, though when you're poor and white you're basically invisible to world in terms of opportunities. It's a pretty sickening state of affairs but what can you do short of a violent coup?

In any case, I don't see these programs working because few people that weren't raised poor understand the mindset of poor parents. Like other anon said, good luck getting LaQuanda in section 8 to assist her kid in any way after high school, unless there's something in it for her.

>>10070700
And you prove otherwise how? With a picture showing albinos?