/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10059864
go get a real unskilled job and realize that learning is more fun than doing the same thing everyday for 40 years

i didn't i literally slacked through 4 years of uni and only realized that i should have paid attention on the lectures on my 5th year

t. eastern euro stemfag

>>10059865

I see where you're coming from

>>10059865
Oof, that one hit too close to home.

>>10059864

describe exactly what is bothering you, can't work on ill defined problems.

>>10059912
Not him but I need a work ethic. When I get home I do the exercises I need to do but nothing more even though I should, I just end up listening to music or whatever. I procrastinate all the time even though I’m interested in what I’m studying.
It’s stressful too because I know I’m wasting my time and constantly think about it.

>>10059920

that's because you see study as a chore and an imposition.

tell me, is there anything you've heard in one of your courses that you find interesting or that you feel that you're not grasping well enough and it's missing something?

>>10059924
Yeah, I find a lot of things interesting in what I’m studying, but it’s easier to laze around than to make an effort, I suppose. How do I stop viewing studying as a chore rather than as a means to become more skilled? I consciously acknowledge that I’m doing it but it doesn’t help

>>10059930

start with one thing you're interested in, see where curiosity brings you, ask yourself "why".
don't force yourself, curiosity is often crushed by highschool and college education, take it in incremental little steps.

also don't obsess over one thing only, allow some variety, read unrelated stuff, but avoid (if possible) videogames and things which are too "spoonfed".

pick a book, any genre, and read it, doesn't matter how much it will take, commit to reading.

the trick is to understand that making an effort shouldn't be a drag, but a pleasant sensation like going for a jog, hitting the gym, stuff like that.

I found myself in the same situation, started to wonder why I wasn't happy, ended up reading about neurology and now I have a gf I met in the biology dept because I was reading about neurotransmitters (I'm a physicfag)

>>10059930
Read one of those self help books that deal with procrastination.
"Eat that frog" is supposed to be good.

Alternatively become an dank r@pper like pic related.

>>10059912

Thanks for your response.

I think my main problems are procrastination and thinking the stuff's too complicated for me.

Also, I don't know how to make a schedule/plan for learning and actually sticking to it.

I lack the discipline and don't know how to get disciplined without 'suffering', I don't know how to study effectively besides having to work and not losing my 'life' with it

>>10059947
I do that, I read about some subjects I find neat but I often don’t have the required background to fully understand them which is where practice, exercises and learning the material comes into play.
>making an effort shouldn't be a drag
True. I actually enjoy the payoff, or working on something and gradually understanding it, it’s such a great feeling when you finally figure shit out and it “clicks”, but starting the process and not getting distracted, yet not forcing yourself, is the hard part.

>>10059949

well, I see 3 things on which you might want to reflect on

-procrastination: what are you rebelling against? what are you afraid to do? why are you setting your day in a way that you will allow yourself to fail? (don't have to answer me, just think about it)

-stuff is too complicated: probably there's some basic concept you've skipped or not paid enough attention to, go back and be thorough, ask yourself "why does this happen" and you'll see where the issues come from.

-making schedules/plans: well make a schedule you can follow, write the actual schedule down, see where you're failing, cut everything non essential, see if you can do it, add things very gradually, you must give yourself time to see if it works (tipically at least 3-4 weeks).

also go to bed always at the same time, wake up at the same time, you need at least 7 hours of sleep, it's important since it stabilizes a series of physiological processes.
eat 3 meals a day, possibly at the same times, preferrably not shitty food, avoid carbonated and caffeine as much as you can, try to get at least 30 minutes of light physical activity per day.

it's a lot of stuff but you can do it, take care of your body anon, stress can fuck you up.

>>10059954

well, I bet you're quite young and you still haven't quite gotten used to understand where an healthy effort ends and forcing yourself begins.
that's something to ponder.

see, you mention you lack background to understand stuff, there you go, start from there, realize that going back might feel fustrating because you think you're losing time, you should have already known that stuff, etc.
true, but better late than never, don't you think?

you can fix stuff, and by fixing stuff little by little, you will make huge steps ahead.

>>10059865
Is there anyone actually motivated by nonsense like this? Being dead is way better than both of those things. The fact that one sounds slightly less horrific is actually motivating to sheeple?

>>10059963

I worked as a janitor while doing my PhD, was comfy as fuck, nobody bothered me and I could think about stuff while listening music and getting paid.
Everybody is different, there might be people who find that kind of idea motivating.

>>10059957

Thank you.

I am afraid of failing, thus I fail. That's how I would say it.


I never succeeded in following a schedule, I always ignore it whenever I can and continue playing/watching TV

I have bought ~5 self help books over the past few years and never actually read any of them.

I don't have tge motivation to do anything productive although I 'want' to, I don't want to live like that and it makes me sad.

>>10059963
Not everyone is retarded and hates themselves

>>10059920
you havent dealth with the consequences of these actions yet. you are shielded from them. if you dont do well at what you are doing now, you will develop/cement bad habits that limit your options in the future.

by having this attitude and set of behaviors, you are closing doors that you dont yet know exist.

the best thing you could do is get a job on campus, doing something menial (food service etc). this will reinforce the fact that time is finite, and force you to manage your time to avoid failure.

>>10059975

do this, quit cold turkey from tv/vidya, hang on for 60 days.

you'll start hating yourself less.

>>10059864
Commit to the identity.
Watch videos on your subjects in your spare time. Read up on your major. Realize the opportunities you could have by completing your studies rather than the things you dont like about it. Attitude is 100% necessary to succeed.

How do I stop test anxiety? I’m failing horribly on material I understand and know how to do, only because once that tests gets in front of me I panic and think “I don’t know how to do any of this”

>>10059992

you have performance anxiety, not test anxiety, probably this manifests in other aspects of your life too.
probably this links to low self esteem (which is not intrinsecally a problem).
also you can't remove anxiety completely, a bit of it is normal and positive to have.
if it starts interfering with your life, see a psychologist.

>>10059978
If those things motivate you then you absolutely are retarded. You are a sheep and a cog wheel. Rich corporate WASPs are rubbing their hands together at the thought of people like you feeling giddy over making them rich with your pathetic dreams of having a "skilled job."

>>10060003
>durrr le jews
>>>/pol/

>>10060003
>Corporate WASPS

You mean (((WASPS))).

>>10059865
>unskilled job

Trades are a thing.

>>10060019
>30 IQ shill on a science board
The vast majority of rich sociopaths are white Christian

>>10060026
>accusing someone to be not intelligent enough to hang out on an irrelevant sidekick to a chinese cartoon site because reasons
>doesn't back up the big claims he makes with actual statistics

>>10060005
>>10060019
>>10060021
>>10060026
>>10060033

go shit another board.

>>10060003
this post isn't too far off desu.

>>10059864
Wow. Are u me op? I had this problem in college but I didn’t get out of it until year 3 (after E&M, quantum mechanics and PDE. Supposedly the 3 hardest courses in my university’s physics requirements) I ended up graduating with a 2.7 and am fucked for jobs and masters programs.

To you I say solve this problem as soon as u can and shoot for that 3.5 or higher. If it helps try to make it into a game where you compete against what you see as your best self. Or if it’s easier the smartest person in your discipline.

To the rest in this board I ask, how fucked am I? Should I go back to my college, retake some of the classes I fucked up and turn my math minor into a second degree in order to get my GPA up to that 3.0? Is it even worth it?

>>10059980
I've done this and it only makes things worse.

>>10059864
Go work food service while juggling p chem and inorganic. You'll get a list of priorities.

>>10060057
My gpa was 2.5, I found a job. Turns out people are more than a fucking grade

>>10059865
But with an unskilled job you can learn outside of work and in school you're forced to learn enough that you don't have time to teach yourself as much.

>>10059864
Just do the work. Honestly that's the only good advice anybody is going to give you. JUST START

>>10061624
Implying you wont Waste every evening playing vidya and beating Your cock

How do I quit 4chan?

>>10061699
i did this while i studied, still works tho

>>10059864
>be me
>20
>college dropout since pure math sucks and am a lazy dota faggot
>go wageslaving
>shit conditions
>everywhere are turks and arabs thinking it's their ogre den.
>Get fed up after 4 months and be a neet for 6 months
>Notice it's almost as shit
>Parents are sad
>went to college again
>quit playing dota and started learning.
>do etech now and am well ahead of the math script

The rest is complicated tho, but i gonna make it. Wageslaving and neeting sucks. Face what you fear and don't let it happen.

>>10059864
Embrace the pain and suffering.

>>10062001
>>10062001
I remember reading your posts a few weeks ago

>>10059864
If you're at a nice enough college to have workshops floating around, you could try tinkering.

If you're still at the level of abstract concepts, you could Google what it is you're learning and take a hike through Wikipedia. You could also try to derive the earlier concepts yourself, and that'll enhance your understanding of the subjects that came after.

>>10059864
>Not wanting to be the best simply for the sake of being the best
>Needing to ask for ambition
Never going to make it

>>10061602
People are more than a GPA. Too bad not all people think like you and me eh?

>>10061995
the patrician college experience desu senpai

>>10061699
>>10061995
This. The only time I didn't fap was when I wrote my 60 page biochem thesis in 1 week.

>>10060003
The point isn't about getting a "skilled job", it's about realising what you find to be most interesting, and furthermore what you find most suitable to your self-concern. There are many that find learning highly enjoyable; I realised that I am one of them, and everything is so easy now. A good academic institution provides unique opportunities to refine your knowledge and push yourself beyond what you could do on your own; it compels you to create, and from that I found I love to create. My work and my passion were acknowledged, and I am well taken care of while I continue to do what I love. And if I find I want something different, then I'll have the knowledge and qualifications I need to follow through with that desire.

Why should I care about "rich corporate WASPs" or their miserable lives, except for what they offer me that I might find suitable and convenient? If I agree to employment, then I will leave the arrangement if I find it doesn't suit me. I live for myself and that which I find interesting, and there is always opportunity to pursue what I find interesting.

>>10062010
Yep. That was me.

>>10059864
go to the library 8-5 and dont fuck around on fb, 4chan, leddit, etc

>>10060026
>>10060003
Those damn white people, inventing the modern world and whatnot. Spotted the nonwhite or the beta male.

>>10059864
took an course with a notoriously hard teacher freshman year.
Got 10% above average (50) at midterm and freaked because it was the first time I was at risk of actually failing in school.
Studied as off rest of semester, memorizing lectures and playing with course concepts at every opportunity.
Managed to be 1 of 10 people in 200 person class to get A.
Repeat study patterns as needed/desired rest of college.
Felt good, need to start doing that again

>>10064984
modern technology is responsible for the impersonal nature of modern life, which results in atomization and disconnection from reality. Existing in such a state of powerless is dehumanizing and the cause of most modern mental illness.

>>10059963
What?
It's the same as saying: appreciate your situation as repeating mundane algorithmic motions is a lot more draining and mindnumbing than learning, changing, and self-bettering. How is being dead better than either? You don't experience anything at all, at that point. Unless you specifically desire that, than anything else is better.

>>10065067
> Blaming an entire race of people for making you text and look at your phone at the dinner table
The ABSOLUTE STATE of Luddites

>>10065067
This is true. Still love my people though.

How do we go back to a more 'personal' and connected way of living, anon?

>>10059973
Will?

>>10065088
didn't blame whites. you'll won't hate luddites when theres a chip in your brain
but the destruction of modern technology would be bad if it wasn't complete or didn't preserve the environment enough, which doesn't seem likely, so we just have to deal with civilization and make it as good as possible.

>>10059983
v 2ru. stop wasting time on screens

>>10065055
It's easy to study meticulously when you're fueled by adrenaline from the possibility of failing, but it's hard to keep doing that when you're not actually in much danger

>>10065285
Then rewire your brain to forget what failure is. I started setting arbitrary goals for myself in order to avoid exactly this. It's easy to fade into mediocrity if you're at a level that sort of understands everything to the point where you'd never imagine failing, then you can't exceed because it's too comfortable getting Bs in everything. I avoided that by defining failure as anything less than 95% in a math class, and 93% for other subjects. For an easy math class like linear algebra or diff eq, only 100% is acceptable, a single missed question is failure. Once you ingrain this into your mind, the fear of failure never goes away.

When you get 100% on the two midterms, that's insane pressure for the final exam. It's fantastic, nothing quite like that rush. I actually missed a question on my diff eq final but my excuse is that it was at 7:30 am and I was tired. Unfortunately it'd be a waste of time to retake it, I just tutor instead so I get to never stop solving those elementsry problems, they're so fun. I still have my laplace table memorized. But then again, I'm socially retarded (narcissistic personality disorder) so maybe my brain works differently. I've literally conditioned myself to get off on math.

>>10060026
This is why science is flooded with numale faggots

>>10059864
I enjoyed what i was learning

>>10059930
I've struggled with the same thing and I'm just finally starting to get a handle on it...kind of, still procrastinating on here. >>10059924 like this anon said, try to stop looking at it as a chore. These are things that you need to get done, the sooner you get them done the sooner you don't have to worry about them and you can do whatever tf you want with the added bonus of not being super stressed out about being a lazy fuck. Having things hanging over your head is more of a hinderance than I realized for a long time, made me anxious and unable to enjoy anything I was doing. I'm still putting it into practice myself but discipline is freedom as counterintuitive as that sounds.

>>10066932
Also try lying to yourself to stop procrastination. Sounds dumb, I know but for example if you have an assignment or homework problems to work through just tell yourself that you're only going to do 1 question then quit. Maybe you will just stop after that but I've found that you generally end up wanting to do more than you set out to. For me it helps to get over the initial
>this is fucking dumb I don't want to do this
mentality and that is the hardest part.

>>10064984
Thanks for inventing technology which doesn't let me study and shieet

I got married and had kids. When my wife saw my income potential *without* a degree, she planted her foot squarely in my ass and told me that I *WILL* graduate.

>>10059865
I bet I make more than you with my ''unskilled'' job.

>>10059963
I genuinely enjoy both mcjob and school-learning.

I was shocked too when I realized most (yes, really) people don't have to drag themselves through the day like a paraplegic over broken glass.

Find something to unironically live for or an hero, I'd be sad if you suffered more than you had to.

>>10059975
We are alive for an instant on a cold rock. Accept all of your failures, focus on loving yourself, and whatever life results from that will be at least alright.
Treat your body like a baby in your care. It is a pooping piece of meat you look after, after all. Feed it junk food, but not too often. Teach it so it will be successful. Encourage it even if it's frustrated.
You're alright anon. I know you're doing your best, and it's not your 100%, nor should it be. Take it at your own pace for your best results, spastic bursts of effort won't get you very far.

It's only over when you give up!

>>10060021
>unskilled
>trades
Okay, guess by that token, surgery is "unskilled" since you're just following a standard procedure with maybe slight deviations every time.

>>10067165
t. walmart employee?

>>10059864

When I was in college, the main motivators for me were 1) genuine interest in the subject matter, 2) the prospect of getting a job that I genuinely enjoy, and 3) I'm paying top dollar for this, so I might as well get as much out of it as I possibly can.

>>10069127
same, those are the biggest 3 reasons i have as well

>>10059957
>eat 3 meals a day, possibly at the same times, preferrably not shitty food, avoid carbonated and caffeine as much as you can, try to get at least 30 minutes of light physical activity per day.

terrible advice.

Do 15 mins of strenuous exercise BEFORE breakfast. You want your metabolism using energy from your fat cells; and that's the time you get most leverage.

Read up on autophagy and Time-restricted eating. EAT in an 8-hour interval, THEN STOP FUCKING EATING. Your body needs a lot of rest from insulin...

this is why everybody is fat and retarded nowadays

>>10059975

delete faceberg; give tv to an enemy

>>10070165
"the left" hates family though

>>10070350
"the left" has the hammer because they are going to break down the wall

>>10070350
No, capitalism hates the family.

>>10070350
People don't have kids because it's too expensive because of capitalism

>>10059864

Put yourself in an environment that would induce studying. If you are laying in your bed, you are very unlikely to start reading your textbook any time soon.

>tfw in your last semester and realize its too late

>>10059865
Fucking this, graduated high school and went straight to working at target. Did it for half a year and absolutely hated life during that time. Entered community college, worked my way through GE, took circuits for fun, liked it, transferred to a uni as a electrical engineering major and got a BS in electrical engineering.

I work for intel now and it’s 1000x better than being stuck at a dead end job

>>10059865
I did this and it made me realize that I could support myself even if I dropped out of school
So don't do it

>>10059865
Unironically this

>>10065110
jej

>>10059864
bitter resentment and arrogance pushing me to prove rivals and critics wrong

>>10074378
Hello brother

>>10068324
>We are alive for an instant on a cold rock. Accept all of your failures, focus on loving yourself, and whatever life results from that will be at least alright.
damn...

>>10070903
>>10070165
>>10070350
And leftism is the secret police of capitalism, though largely unwittingly (they often think the opposite).
Rightism is the scapegoat, previously the complacent king.

>>10059865
I stock shelves at a grocery store, and I think that's more fun than going to college.

>>10074378
>>10074384
mein brüder

>>10060057
I'm in the same situation as you m8, and my GPA is even shittier at 2.65. I'm a computer science major, and want to do something programing related in science, but my programming skills still suck, and I'm fucked for grad school.

>>10065074
Life has vastly more suffering than happiness. I would rather experience nothingness and have a net happiness of 0 than continue with my current life and have a negative net happiness.

>>10059865
This

>>10070903
Capitalism is simply freedom. Your attempts to personify it into something malevolent are infantile.

>>10059864
I had the same problem. I was undisciplined because everything was always super easy and I never had to work. I finally took some really hard classes as an undergrad, like grad-level classes, and didn't do well. The shame of my first B- was enough to teach me to be more disciplined.

>>10074949

>>10074952
>The shame of my first B- was enough to teach me to be more disciplined.
Found the overachiever. I've gotten mainly Cs in college and I still can't study worth shit.

>>10074897
Not to sound like a motivational poster but if you focus on living in the moment, aka don't dwell as much on the past and future, experience clearly what your senses are giving you then you'll find that life has much more happiness than suffering

>>10076087
I've never got a C, ever. "Average" people are really fucking stupid. C is the same as an F.

>>10059864
you don't learn it, you just do it
it will fucking suck, but sit your faggot ass down and do assignments right as you get home from class
no you niggerdick sucking cockmongler, not after you watch an episode of your anime or smoke a bowl, Immediately
to optimize this, make it easier to retain information, and make it not hell on earth, take a five minute break every 30 minutes, and a 30 minute break every 2 hours

>>10059864
im always thinking about what you want to become
for example: if you want to be an engineer you have to know every single thing about your field. how do you want to fullfill this role if you arent learning right now

>>10074880
Your idea of fun sucks lol

>>10072875
Never too late, you just have to go for round two
debt a shit, I hope you networked good to get in to a job despite shit grades, or you're gonna need to eat more debt to redo your shit grades

>>10076260
Honestly, grades aren't bad (gonna graduate with a 3.2-3.3 depending on how this semester goes) and when I graduate I'll have some nice projects with a lot to talk about underneath.

I think my advice though is to get your personal life in check and then go to college. My biggest mistake was trying to grow as a person while also trying to be a successful student, but I found it just got really hard and burned me out of a social life, health, and super great networking. So my work habits are only just now getting good, and I'm finally starting to tackle issues that plagued me for a while that I ignored to work and go to school. Oh well, lessons for the next generation I guess.

>>10074378
Bakugo?

I fought a war as a Marine Infantryman before going to college. Getting up at 8 to go to classes felt like sleeping in. Homework and studying felt like having more free time than I knew what to do with.

I kinda wanted to violently and graphically skullfuck to death every color-haired arts and humanities freshman spouting off about how they know everything better than anybody now because they took a psych 101 course, but I think thats probably normal.

>>10077486
It would only be abnormal if you didn't give in at least once. I remember when I did. The sound of wet flesh smacking against pavement, the feeling of his skull crumbling in my hands... Good memories.

My uni's dept for handling it was pretty great, too. They just cleaned it all up and told me to sleep it off. Happens to the best of us, and the guy's better off dead than as a pink-haired gender studies grad.

>>10077496
Yeah, honestly its not even exclusive to the politics for me. Just having some 18 year old pompously lecture me on how a world they haven't even been to yet works in "entry to" level buzzwords is what does it.

>We fuckin get it, you passed Phil101, soc101 and psych101 with a C average. You're not special. You're still an idiot. Go bother somebody else.

Once I asked one his major and he said "cultural studies." And I responded "ah, the good ol' highschool to starbucks cashier pipeline." He didnt like that much. Never talked to me again, which suits me just fine.

>>10077486
Physical discipline and mental discipline are two entirely different things. Nice fantasy though.

>>10077742
>Because at no point during the last 17 year long military conflict has even one of the 1.5 million servicemen deployed come home and gone to college.

most of the classes are bullshit, your brain knows this, and tries to force you into seeking something more productive

it's a natural healthy reaction, and there's nothing you can do about it, except of maybe lobotomizing yourself

>>10059865
>>/adv/

>>10077755
well, yes.
People who enlist in the military are too stupid to go to college.