/sci/ - Science & Math

>entropy
entropy is like evolution, they're useful for making models and coming up with theoretical ideas but neither actually exist in practice

>>10046265
You can clearly observe entropy everyday with the heat that leaves your body.

There are plenty of ways to actually observe evolution hapening, bacteria being the most obvious. Is there a similar example for enthropy?

>>10046220
Locally you do it every day by living. Globally you can't.
That's why the educated thing to do is to assume the fetal position and despair. The losers were right all along.

>>10046220
You can't... it's the price we pay for existence.

>>10046394
Nothing about living reduces entropy generatiin

>>10046220
Entropy is a number, you can't defeat it anymore than you can defeat temperature, or 7.

>>10046220
>focus all scientific manpower into advancing quantum computing
>finally develop superpowerful quantum computer
>use it to develop time machine
>go back in time and kill both Rudolf Clausius and Ludwig Boltzmann
>kill Gibbs and Maxwell just to be safe
Without their pesky equations entropy has never been discovered and thus, without any measurement to prove otherwise, it has never existed.

Just get enough adolescent girls to make wishes and have their dreams come true!* Together we can beat entropy with the power of friendship, love, and other emotions.


*Terms & Conditions may apply. Dreams coming true subject to wording of wish matching true desires of contractee. Not responsible for any physical or psychological harm that may occur. Offer not valid in North Korea, Cuba, and Quebec.

>>10046220
>How do we defeat entropy?
with a type 1 error

>>10046381
No. None whatsoever. Now excuse me while I add milk to my coffee.

>>10047184
based

>>10046220
Stick a Casimir–Polder force generator extracting energy from the zero-point vaccum energy to an ambient heater.
You're welcome, I just saved the universe.

>>10046220
with black dick

>>10046220
Commence construction of a mega-structure. This mega-structure will be a machine that rips open space and time with gravity waves. A proto-type teleporter to another universe.
We then leech off our neighboring universe until we come across one with an eternal energy source. Preferably a safe one.
Then sleep in a matrix style machine that floats in a safe place for eternity...

Until one of us makes some cute proto-humans to remind us of old times...

Then one of us gets pissed off at the ceremony because we want them to be eternally in bliss but he wants to teach them struggling and knowledge...

Then we have a war in the cosmos and throw them down to a habitable planet with the crazies that chose suffering...

Then we decide screw it and leave the multiverse and begin exploring other dimensions.

>:O

WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO BE SO DAMN COMPLICATED.

>>10048657
could write a cool book along that premise, with "extradimensional beings/demons" that are here feeding off our universe's life energy / causing massive entropy increase.

>>10046220
Despair of little girls is best way that I know of

>>10046265
m8 I don't know where you got your education but entropy is a measurable physical state property, just like temperature or pressure.

>>10049052
Galaxy-wide alien megasociety in a parallel universe controls entropy by creating inter-dimensional exhaust pipes to pump heat into different universes.

>>10049078
>Write a book.

FUCKING HELL YOU NERDS.
WE CAN BE THAT GOD DAMNED SOCIETY.

>>10049078
Also, it's "Inter-universal".
You have yet to see what a true dimension hop looks like.

>>10049687
>>10049681

>>10049693
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXKKm4Q_jh8

>>10049071
No, neither of those are actually real either.

Take the Jaynes-pill anon.

http://www.sns.ias.edu/~tlusty/courses/InfoInBio/Papers/JaynesInformationTheory.pdf

>>10049736
>http://www.sns.ias.edu/~tlusty/courses/InfoInBio/Papers/JaynesInformationTheory.pdf

This paper ignores etymological consistency. The longer a subject is spoken about, the less there is to speak about said subject. I render you null and void and summon dark magician to the field in attack mode!

By the time the galaxy runs out of energy the day of judgement will have happened and God will judge everyone.
So who cares?

Entropy is some shit man. It arises statistically from any system. Because of that nothing can escape it.

>>10049810
Any "existing" system.

>>10049812
Or any system that could theoretically exist.

>>10049819
Ah, that is where you are wrong. Eternity versus entropy.

>>10049825
Subtract all the letters that eternity and entropy share.
What do you get?

Poeti

Lmao.

>>10049825
Nah m8. You can come up with all sorts of wild physics alternate universes. Universes where mass never exists. Where everything is plasma. Where everything's a distributed net of entangled photons. You can fuck with a lot of established physics that way. But you can't break entropy.

As long as there is a nonzero number of microstates that can be occupied by literally anything, entropy holds. Because it's defined in purely statistical terms.

>>10049844
Why go forward when you can go back?

>>10049797

Good counter argument.

>>10049842
hey

tell /g/ to fuck off

ugly retards, hoi

>>10046220
Summon Maxwell's Demon

>>10046220
don't move

>>10049854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm2D7ohWos0

You can't reverse time.

>>10049871
With sufficient power anything is possible. Thus I propose a system that draws from a "higher power".

>>10049875
Then you would be ascribing to the many worlds theory of quantum physics.
THE UNPROVEN- many worlds interpretation of quantum physics.

>>10049844
So you are telling me, that entropy, being a system, cannot break itself?

>>10049883
Wh-What?

>>10049883
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmhTupQy7J8

Find a way to survive past the next Big Bang.

>>10049883
Fuck you...
Fuck you. Seriously. Just...fuck you.

>>10049883
I-I'll just pretend this never happened...
and everything will be just fine.

>>10049883
Everything is going to be daijobu!
EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE DAIJOBU!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7iGKnoGdRo

>>10049883

Whelp, guess this is the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goOB8r785CM

>>10049883
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpFdP5yATw0

>>10049883
Heeeeere we go again...

entropy is just probability. you only need to wait 10^10^10^56 years for a new big bang or to reborn as a Boltzmann brain

>>10049883

>>10046381
>bacteria being the most obvious
WWRROONNGG!!!!!!
Bacteria adapt when rare genes become ubiquitous in a bacterial colony. This is frequently observed. To the contrary, evolution requires the appearance of new genes which did not previously exist. Spreading rare genes, adaptation, is completely different than conjuring and then spreading genes which did not previously exist, evolution.

>>10049985
Still faster than windows 98'

>>10050009
it still hunts me why probability exists, like wtf?? maybe many worlds interpretation is true

>>10050030
Epicuros was right all along.
And between the worlds gods reside, and they don't care about us.

>>10050034
Correction. They do not care about you. Mine has cared about me since the beginning.

Then she doesn't...then she does...then she doesn't....

>>10049883
Sorry for being a brainier, but what does this exactly means? That entropy cannot be stopped and in 10^10^10 years we will be fugged?

>>10050050
Eros unites all.

>>10050076
*Brainlet

>>10050050
this, se are all hostages

>>10049078
not necessarily heat, as that implies a higher entropy state. more efficient to pump potential energy into the universe.

>>10049078
but they'd be pumping it out of our universe into theirs to stave off death.

External expansion and internal collapsing is the future.

>>10050578
I've wondered about the big bang/big crunch cycle from an entropy perspective. Since it's a real process, it's irreversible (in the thermodynamic sense), which means that each cycle net entropy increases. Would this cause it eventually proceed to a final steady state?

We put huge spherical inward facing mirrors around all blackholes.

>>10050843
If it can happen it will happen

>>10046220
You don't defeat entropy, the fucking heat death of the universe is coming. Imagine Bane without batman to stop him.

find another universe and suck out its energy or move to that one

>>10046220
Why did whoever ruined this with that stupid music ruin this with that stupid music?

>>10049883
Assumption that the system truly is closed

>>10046220
>How do we defeat entropy?
With 'the now'

Time is not physical. Just abstract measurement

>>10046220
Time crystals can escape entropy and the heat death of the universe.

No one mentioned the race between complexity

>>10050076
Yes

>>10046220
By discovering alternate universes or by conquering dark matter.

Deus ex machina. What if we were allotted a certain amount of time to reach a cosmological "level 2?" At the moment we have achieved "level 2," more useful work will be allotted for us to achieve "level 3," and so on.

>>10051214
Why? I demand an answer before I die.

>>10053378
What if you just don't know that we already are but others do, would you believe them?

>>10053378
In a world that is fundamentally fluid and not discrete (if you look deep enough) your "levels" mean nothing.

>>10046220
Stay inside of your local lowering entropy area until your sun dies.

>>10053427
I don't know. Do you know any theory?

>>10053431
Emission of light is quantized.

>>10050843
Big crunch isn't really taken seriously anymore since it was proven that the universe is flat.

Entropy is solved by blackholes. Once everything's condensed back into a tight dense little package we get to start all over again.

>>10050030
Can someone explain to a brainlet why we're so sure it's actual probability and not something like a pilot-wave or another alternative model

>>10046220

with anti-entropy!

>>10053521
/thread

>>10046220
With a Demon

>>10050030
>there exists a universe where entropy is 0

>>10053559
Based Maxwell. Probably the best explanation that any universe can only be created and controlled by an entity with information on how particles behave.

>>10053576
And boom goes the dynamite.
Yes. This is the theoretical eternal power source I was guessing.

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>>10048657
>>10054362
based

>>10046220
Biological life can be said to do that by merely existing and evolving. By the time it should become an issue for any remaining lifeforms it's a safe bet they'll have had a trillion years to figure out negative entropy.