/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10044332
The people that invent are never the CEO, their pride gets in the way.
The people that are CEO never invent, they don't want to waste their time doing that when they can just hire someone to do it for them.

>>10044332
Musk is a billionaire, and sent his own car, which is built by his own company, into space. What have you done OP?

>>10044357

I will never understand this type of argument. When you watch some man cumming in a porn video do you feel good too?

Who the fuck cares what a fucking rich man does with his money. He could make a gigantic diamond statue of his dick for all we care. As far as I can say OP didn't say a single wrong thing and you fanboys can't refute him either.

>>10044332
He got his second undergrad in physics and started at Stanford to start a PhD in physics but left to make a million dollars. Sounds like a solid move.

>>10044332
He's just an ideas guy who happened to be extra lucky.

>>10044374
Op berates Musks success as not being successful. Therefore, I would like to know what OP has succeeded in, as a basis for his analysis.

Musk was not handed his money ala Trump. He earned it, fair and square, whether you like it or not. The fact that you, or OP, are poor fucking virgins hating on a successful man make you sad sad excuses for human beings.

>>10044387
He never accused him of not being successful you absolute retard; he called him a fraud. Plenty of frauds become successful.

>>10044387
To be fair though, becoming a multi-millionaire in the dot com bubble wasn't that hard. Almost every nerd in that time ended up being rich. I wish I was born 20 years earlier.

This is when you realize that Capitalism is really just a convoluted way of rewarding luck. There are tens of thousands of guys out there that are better than Musk in every trait you could possible think of and the only reason they are not in his place is because of luck.

>>10044426
Lol, no. Dude knows how to create hype and how to leech government money. Funniest thing about the SEC investigation was Musk worrying NASA might pull the plug on SpaceX lel

>>10044357
>this man has money, therefore you can't comment on how he acquired that or what he's done or his character
Braindead negroid Amerimutt mentality. Also, chink mentality. Looks like you were made for each other -- China x USA.

>>10044431
This.

Willing to bet some Chinese immigrant wrote that.

>>10044431
Kill them all.

>>10044332
>>he's an "engineer" yet his only two patents are some of the worst car component designs humanity has ever seen
explain,
how so?

>>10044424
And yet you could have been rich with the bitcoin bubble, yet you aren't.

>>10044431
>>10044432
Nope, white as they come. Money is not simply a marker of success, unless it is earned. I believe he earned it honestly, doing what very few other people could do.

I also admire that instead of spending the rest of his life doing fuck all, like most billionaires (what the fuck is notch doing?), hes working his ass off harder than he ever has to create something he believes is truly great (and a lot of other people happen to agree with him).

If you're salty enough of a faggot to hate on a man for that, then you're just a piece of shit.

seth efrika

>>10044431
Sounds like a good mentality since those are the only countries on earth that matter right now.

>>10044477
https://patents.google.com/patent/USD683268S1/en?inventor=Elon+Reeve+Musk

literally a basic design of the model x lol

>>10044498
>unironically believing Elon musk is working his ass off

pls tell me what he's working on

>>10044520
>unironically believing he isn't

Well, I have quite a number of staff/reporter testimonials stating that he is. I'm going to guess you will just say its all shit, so would you please like to cite your sources that say he isn't?

>>10044332
To be a fraud, you have to deliberately deceive. It's not a matter of not living up to some imposed comic book stereotype.

I hope he succeeds, and you should too.

>>10044545
>you have to deliberately deceive
this is literally what musk does all the time. did you read the fucking news recently?

>>10044545
>To be a fraud, you have to deliberately deceive.
Tesla PR is full blown deception:

1. They market their lane keeping as autonomous driving to deceive the market players and their customers. In the meantime several people have died as a result of that.

2. They pretended to have breakthrough EV technology when in fact they have nothing at all. They just made the same EV tech work because they sell $80k models instead of the $25k everyone else was selling. Then they outed themselves as frauds with the Model 3 that surprise surprise had the exact same price/performance as literally every other EV from every other company.

3. Every time that fraud Musk needs cash, he comes up with a new PR campaign where he pretends that he is solving some super hard new problem like the hyper loop or the boring tunnel company bullshit and then they sell the story to the press and everyone is like, "WOW WHAT A VISIONARY" and TSLA goes up a bit.

4. He claims he does not spend money on PR. That's because he spends 100% of his PR money on viral campaigns and shilling instead of traditional ads.

>>10044424
Its no more difficult getting rich now, compared to then. In fact id say its easier now. The fact that you imply youd be rich only then not now makes it obvious you wouldnt do shit in that period and can guarantee youd make up some excuse back then aswell. Now go back to your inferior intellect and kys

>>10044426
>Luck
I can already tell youre not going to amount to shit in your life

>>10044682
how exactly is it easier?

>>10044426
why are there -insert ideology against the only system that has worked in over 9000 years-s on mah science board?

>>10044332
>OP THINKS ACADEMICS ARE THE MEASURE OF VALUE AND SUCCESS IN THE WORLD

>>10044714
faggot responder thinks economic success is the only measure of contribution to society

>>10044332
ahh, the PHD jobless cope. I know it well. Hope things get better for you, op.

>>10044739
Just a reminder that 99% of the people in the world don't even know who you are or know about any papers you may have published. 99.9% of people that are in the scientific community don't give a damn about the papers you've published. Carry on.

>>10044739
faggot memearrow thinks our society give a fuck on what's your contribution instead of your bank balance.

>>10044747
faggot responder thinks once again that fame is a measure of contribution to society
>>10044740
it's not about being jobless retard, it's about pretending to be an "engineer"

>>10044753
it does tho lol
literally no one in 200 years will care that you were a rich fuck

>>10044685
We have the beauty that is the internet, which allows the spread of mass information that is at your disposal in a matter of seconds, thus giving you the opportunity to learn trades that can make you money, lots of it if youre smart. Also theres people that get paid 50k+ a month just to play video games and have people watchh them in the progress. On instagram, pages like world star get paid good amounts in ads solely because of their huge following and influence. The internet can make peoples lives easier, the majority are too stupid and/or to take advantage of it.

>>10044357
Shitpost on 4chan. Something Musk hasn't done. Check mate.

>>10044496
Bitcoin is gambling, dot com bubble was being good at programming = making fat dough. Just with the "year 2000 problem" you were able to become a millionaire without much effort. Write some "security programme" and sell it to some companies whos CEOs dont have a clue about computers.

>>10044332
>as a child, program a simple game in one of those primitive dos box
>sell it for couple hundreds to thousands to some dumb retailer
>use that money to go to college and move to canada
>learn physics/economics
>build one of the world's first online banking site
>sell it for couple millions
>use that money to build electric cars
>use that money to build a space rocket
>use the from the two company to send his own fuckin electric car in his own rocket to space
>make history as being the world's first successful commercially operated rocket company
>make history for developing the world's first reusable rocket that can use land back on sea or land
>make history for developing a mass market of electric cars for average car price of 35k
>make history for developing world's first private rocket that can land on mars
>make history for creating solar system's first colony on mars
>Etc

What have you done?

>>10044779
>make history as being the world's first successful commercially operated rocket company

Arianespace is around since the 80s.

>make history for developing the world's first reusable rocket that can use land back on sea or land

Space Shuttles flew a couple of dozen missions each while Falcon 9 was never reused more than once

>make history for developing a mass market of electric cars for average car price of 35k

The Nissan Leaf was released in 2009 and is the most sold electric car. Also, unlike Model 3, it is actually sold at a profit.

>make history for developing world's first private rocket that can land on mars
>make history for creating solar system's first colony on mars

Didnt do that, only CGIs.

What is really remarkable about Musk is how he can create hype and delude people into thinking he is some sort of revolutionary although he is doing things others did decades before him.

>>10044779
>this is what muskrats unironically believe
at least u tried and everything up to the send electric car to space was correct

>>10044779
>hundreds to thousands
500 dollars lol

just because I made an app at 14 as well and made some Playstore bucks out of it doesn't make me special

>>10044796
Made the game when he was 10. Sold it when he was 12 for $500 in '83.

Inflation wise, that's ~$1300.

>>10044805
That game completely sucks and "programming" it is as impressive as that arab kid who dismantled a clock.

>>10044819
Your mom's hymen is barely torn back when he was making bucks as a 12 year old. What are you complaining about lmao.

>>10044830
He made a very shitty, primitive version of space invaders and was actually able to make money with that. Actually, this shows that even at the tender age of 12 Elon was already lying and deceiving people for his personal gain.

>>10044830
Im from Scandinavia and we literally learned that very primitive level of programming in elemantary school and each of us made a game that is probably more impressive than Elons bullshit. Though we werent allowed to sell it because they dont wanted us to grow up to become frauds.

>>10044839
>>10044833
lmao

>>10044332
>undergrad in economics
He´s got an undergrad in physics from UPenn and was offered a place in Stanford´s physics doctoral program.

Brainlets don´t acquire undergrad physics degrees from a reputable university, nor do they score well enough on the SAT/ACT to receive an offer to study physics at the doctoral level at a reputable university.

>>10044839
That's interesting. What language do they use? What grade is this? What kind of programs did kids make?

>>10044783
>Arianespace
>commercially operated
The thought that I share oxygen with people like this is depressing...

>>10044757
>it does tho lol
>literally no one in 200 years will care that you were a rich fuck
You're right, have fun with your Nikola Tesla esque life.

>>10044854
Arianespace actually has a higher share of private missions to government missions than government-leech SpaceX.

>>10044862
Ariannespace was literally government owned company. French decided to sell its share back to the company just few years ago.

>>10044332
You've got a tenant on your mental property, and he's staying RENT FREE.

>>10044861
>tfw frauds on 4chan can't imagine a life where you're both rich and contribute to a scientific field

is this why you so vehemently defend musk?

>>10044357
literal nigger response
>>10044387
that’s not what the OP says nigger
>>10044759
you don’t understand how statistics works

>>10044886
>>tfw frauds on 4chan can't imagine a life where you're both rich and contribute to a scientific field
Where did I state such a thing?
I'm sure there are plenty of financial successful, contributors to science. I'm also sure that you know plenty, so please enlightenment me.

>>10044891
>statistics
literally nothing to do with my response

>>10044332
Not the bigges fraud in society, but definitely in the science community

>>10044906
>literally nothing to do with my response
literally nothing to do with my response

>>10044915
How is he a fraud in the science community when he's not even part of it?

>>10044877
How dare you bring logic and arguments here...
This is heresy !

>>10044714

>People posting in /sci/ glorifying economic ego stroking instead of academic contributions.

That's a good sign that science is dead. Go develop more results for uncle Bezos to sell more tablets, dear brainlet.

>>10044895
>Where did I state such a thing?
then why the fuck are you defending old musky once again? do you think he is a contributor to science or has done anything noteworthy for society?

>I'm sure there are plenty of financial successful, contributors to science. I'm also sure that you know plenty, so please enlightenment me.
James Watson, Noam Chomsky (yes, even if you hate him you can't deny it), James Simons just to name a few

>>10044985
tfw you want to be right so much you even forgot what you were arguing about initially
>make history as being the world's first successful commercially operated rocket company

>>10044992
>then why the fuck are you defending old musky once again?
>implying
>do you think he is a contributor to science or has done anything noteworthy for society?
He's the steve jobs of our current space race, he's entertaining in that way.
>James Watson, Noam Chomsky (yes, even if you hate him you can't deny it), James Simons just to name a few
I'm so happy you proved me right.

>>10044779

>as a child, program a simple game in one of those primitive dos box
>sell it for couple hundreds to thousands to some dumb retailer
>use that money to go to college and move to canada
>learn physics/economics
>build one of the world's first online banking site
>sell it for couple millions
>use that money to pay engineers and phds to build electric cars
>use that money to pay engineers and phds build a space rocket
>use the from the two company to have a team of scientists and phds and engineers send his own fuckin electric car in his own rocket to space
>make history as being the world's first successful commercially operated rocket company
>make history for hiring people who's name you'll never know that developed the world's first reusable rocket that can use land back on sea or land

You catch my drift?

There's a reason why for NASA you don't hear a single name as the responsible for all the successes. Because that's how science works. It's a collaboration.

Musk, the man, is a product. This image of Iron Man he sells has a very specific objective. It's as much of a product as his cars are. And you brainlets buy it.

>>10045026
For NASA, everything is headed by the government. So all the credits goes to government. "The government did this, the governmet did that." etc.

For Elon Musk's company, since he heads that company, its "Elon did this. Elon did that" etc.

The leader is the product. When NASA is shilled, we have the government to thank for. When SpaceX is shilled, we have Elon to thank for.

Neither of the company mentions engineers who work night and day, janitors who work night and day, chefs who night and day, secretaries who work day and night, etc. Its only going to mention the head of the company or the organization. Either Elon for his company and government for Government funded projects.

Grow up and discard your hate, this is how the world has been working since history began.

>>10044498
>white as they come

>>10044942
>>10044759
What you two are looking for is the social mobility index

>>10045026
>There's a reason why for NASA you don't hear a single name as the responsible for all the successes.
What successes?
Today nobody is known because they aren't doing shit. Back in the day the names of the people who walked on the moon were on everyones lips, not the names of engineers. But are you saying the astronauts were a product?

Btw the name of Gwynne Shotwell also comes up often. I expect more information about important figures in their team to surface as they progress.

>This image of Iron Man he sells has a very specific objective
I don't see him selling that image. On the contrary, Musk just tweets like a retard about pedo saviour divers. It's the people pinning that tag on him. Just as there are people like you pinning the tag of a fraud.
One simply can not do anything meaningful in this world without any critique.

>>10044332
People unironically defend his SOLAR FUCKING ROOFTOPS tm.

>>10045063
Exactly how analmad are you?

>>10045201
>I don't see him selling that image
he literally starred in fucking iron man as a cameo, do you unironically think he doesn't want anything to do with that image
>>10045217
lol buttmad amerimutt

>>10045201
>What successes?
t. person who thinks launching a dead electric car into space is the biggest milestone since the moon landing, while ignoring absolutely everything nasa or literally any other fucking space agency has done in the past years (jaxa for example)

>>10045217
negroid mutt thinking he's white lol

Probably a jew actually; that would explain everything

>>10045214
Yeah fuck generating your own power, just like, pay the utilities bro hahaha

>Post on /sci/
>Hey this reusable rocket thing is a great idea and SpaceX is doing pretty well with some cool projects lined up
>YOU FUCKING MUSKRAT CULTIST HE IS A FRAUD AND NOTHING HE MAKES IS NEW BLAH BLAH BLAH

Can I just fucking talk about this shit without retards/big oil shills spamming this shit? Jesus fuck I am supposed to be a cultist and yet these guys are in EVERY FUCKING THREAD spamming the same shit over and over and over.

>>10045700
go back to your safe space r/spacexlounge we dont like frauds around here.

>>10045718
Point in case

>>10045723
look sheeple this is an honorable board full of honest, hard working scientists and we simply want to be left in peace by fraudulent personas as this so called elon musk this is all im saying.

>Criticizing people? Have you done anything important in your life? Checkmate!

>>10045693
this is not what the problem with "solar freaking rooftops!" is, you fucking retard

please leave /sci/

>>10045201

Yeah it's just a coincidence he did a hair transplant and tries to show himself as dating pretty women and shit, right? Nothing to do with selling and image, right?

>>10045735
Please cite the problems and some actual evidence then.

>>10045744
manufacturing the parts, the extraction process and the necessity for sunlight outweigh the benefits, its also ignoring the actual problem which is cost of generation of power (every aspect of the process not just running the generators) and its usually leaching off of a fossil fuel supported supply chain or grid and this would take decades to switch over from. Very overrated and self congratulatory political movement and much of green tech is extremely toxic to the environment when disposed of, also difficult to maintenance and dangerous if malfunctioning in ways that fossil fuels may not be so much worse than that its negligible safety upgrade.

>>10045750
and even if we ignore all of that, do you unironically think that the maintenance of a fucking rooftop comprised of a modular system or hundreds of solar panels is easier to maintain and more efficient than some large solar panels mounted on top of one?

>>10045729
You're a fucking retard

I've worked at KSC on Orion and SLS. SpaceX is leagues ahead of those pork barrel shits. Can't speak for his other ventures but you watch a rocket take off from VAB parking lot enough times while your project gets pushed back by years, you learn to respect it.

>>10045758

>>10044377
Yeah, this is a more accurate description, I really don't understand the hate towards Musk by so many people. It's like they think they deserve more than him, but aren't lucky enough to get it.

Reality is though, he manipulated social media and whatnot to increase his success. You can say he's just lucky and it was unintentional - what allowed him to not spend money on advertising - but whether or not he's lucky is irrelevant, the results speak for themselves.

>>10045764
Posting soifaces is not an argument.

>>10044684
Lmao right? Everything has a bit of luck involved, but if you think everyone more successful than you is just lucky then you're on the path to incel-hood.

>>10044706
To be fair though, capitalism isn't the best system, you need to pair it with some elements socialism so that you don't have the vast majority of your country (and the countries you exploit) starve to death. America doesn't seem to understand that, and if you call out free healthcare, they seem to think that would be the worst thing ever for their taxes. It wouldn't be.

But we all know communism is best.

>>10045773

"You're a fucking retard" also isn't.

>>10044783
Arainespace was gov owned

Reusable ROCKETS not space shuttles, moron.

You can continue to lie to yourself about EV sales, but you're not fooling anyone except for yourself, pic related. Tesla brought them more mainstream and popularised them to the layman as well which is very good.

What's REALLY remarkable about Musk is that so many unsuccessful people on the internet like to hate and lay into him for no apparent reason with false or baseless claims.

>>10045741
I would get a hair transplant and date pretty women too if I was a millionaire. But Im just a poor, balding asshole. And that would be all for myself, not for you to buy an image of me.

>>10045640
>he literally starred in fucking iron man as a cameo, do you unironically think he doesn't want anything to do with that image
No, I think he did that for the lulz. I think he does what he pleases. If he only wanted to screw you over, if he was only for the money, he would stay in baking systems. Instead he chose the riskiest businesses, but with a potential to benefit entire humanity. That's why all this hate and calling him a fraud makes no sense to me.

>>10045643
Now that is a strawman as tall as a falcon 9. Am I talking about JAXA? Am I saying launching a car into space is bla bla bla?
What I'm saying is that NASA is now just a shadow of it's former self, so noone cares for the names. I for one do not care which NASA astronauts were flown for the hundredth time to the ISS in the soyuz spacecraft.

>>10045809
But muh valuable scientific drones that take 10 years to do what a human can in two days.

>>10044839
Kek.
You are 16, so elementary school for you was in 2008-ish, when high-level programming languages and piss-easy APIs were a dime a dozen. I don't give a damn really, but doing that sort of programming in the 80s/90s (or whenever that was) looked VERY different from now.

>>10045793
>What's REALLY (((remarkable))) about Musk is that so many (((unsuccessful people))) on the internet like to hate and lay into him for (((no apparent reason))) with false or baseless claims.

ftfy

>>10044374
I do feel good seeing another man cum. I have some compassion, I can put myself in his shoes and feel that feeling.

>>10045870
Are you suggesting that (((long nose goblins))), shilling for oil companies are attempting to deface Musk?

>>10045873
nigga you gay

This entire thread sounds like lab / engineering / code monkeys bitching that they can't stick their name in the final credits for shit their collective group does.

Get over it. Unless you helm the ship you're a cog that plays a comparatively minor role. If it wasn't you it'd be some other figurative foot soldier.

Hell, are Alexander the Great or Ghengis Khan's soldiers recognized by name for their roles in conquest.

Either helm your own ship or row and shut the fuck up.

>>10045793
>What's REALLY remarkable about Musk is that so many unsuccessful people on the internet like to hate and lay into him for no apparent reason with false or baseless claims.
once again retards on /sci/ prove that they didn't understand the crux of the matter

we don't hate him for being rich or successful. you don't see threads about bezos, bill gates or anyone else. However musky pretends to do it for the betterment of humanity, sells retarded ideas that literally any expert says won't work (hyperloop, starlink, sustainable Mars colony soon, his retarded subway tunnels but with individual cars)

and worst of all: there are retards in /sci/ of all boards who eat this shit up
even le redditeurs slowly start to understand how stupid his shit is

>>10044332
>yet pretends to design the rockets "himself"
When has he done this?

>>10044773
Not him but Bitcoin was guaranteed money back in 09, only problem was that I was 14 with no money of my own and a 10 year old PC that was too shit for mining.

>is Musk the biggest fraud in history?
Not even close.

He's not even a fraud.

>>10046416
Give me one time musk has said he's doing something for the betterment of humanity? He is installing power storage in places that need it, he's popularising EV's and renewables, those things ARE good for the sustainability and survivalability of humanity. Just because he seems to act a bit pompous about it doesn't change his actions, whether you like him or not, he has a net good effect on the world.

>>10046416
Bill gates donates a lot to charities, but Bezos mistreats his employees, Bezos is probably the most deserving of criticism out of the 3

>>10045793
That's the sales for one month for one country (burgerland) you idiot. Overall and worldwide, Nissan Leaf has sold much more and was in mass-production when Elon was still exploding Falcon 1s.

Space Shuttles were rockets you idiot. Not ever rocket needs to look like a dilde.

Arianespace belongs and always belonged to Airbus.

Keep hating.

>>10046445
To be fair, everybody and their mom sold their self-mined coins as soon as they hit a couple of hundred dollars. People that betted on it rising even high took a huge bet.

>>10045777
>so that you don't have the vast majority of your country (and the countries you exploit) starve to death.
>implying some business person would just forget about a massive market that they can sell cheap produce to.
Big daddy gov isn't needed, only business minded people.

>>10044579
>unironically basing your views and opinions on what's in the news
>reading the news at all
And here I thought the NPC meme was just a meme

>>10046553
>basing your opinions on news

no, I'm basing my opinions on what musk said vs what actually happened retard

>>10044332

You're all part of the herd, never forget your place ok?

>>10046338

This, it's always fun seeing them skirmish tough.

>>10045718

Take a selfie

>>10046522
He just raised the minimum wage to 15 bucks, asshat. Meanwhile in elons companies they are still getting paid in memes.

>>10045850
The only thing different was that it was expensive so onyl kids with rich dads like Elon were able to be interested in programming. The game itself is not remarkable at all, the idea is stolen from space invaders and the programming is very basic and primitive. If a 6th grader did that today nobody would bet an eye about it. Taking this as proof that he is some sort of prodigy is retarded. The only remarkable thing is that even at 12 he knew how to sell bullshit for a high price.

>>10046551
Can't sell Cheap produce to someone with no money retard

>>10046694
Do you know see whats retarded about comparing what a child could program today, to what Elon did when he was a child?

>>10046691
15 bucks is still slave wages, and wrong.

>>10046702
I dont think you are getting my point. The only remarkable talent elon showed was that to be a snakesoil salesman. And he grew up to be one, potentially the best one alive.

>>10046711
We get your point anon, you're an elonmeme.

>>10046548
Why do you lie when you're obviously wrong about global sales? My point wasn't that Tesla has sold more EV's than anyone else, my point was that Tesla popularised EV's idiot. And your stats are wrong, Tesla has sold more EV's EXCLUDING the model 3 than there have been nissan leafs sold by almost double. Renault-nissan have sold more overall EV's though.

After the model 3s have been mass produced properly, I wouldn't be surprised if they became the global leader in EV production.

I was obviously talking about early stage booster rockets moron don't catch me on wording, you know what I meant. Dickwad.

Arianespace was formed for, (and the majority of it is owned by) the European space agency. And this has always been the case, Airbus an Arianespace work together, neither owns the other.

>>10044424
To be fair though, becoming a scientist in the 1600s wasn't that hard. Almost every nerd in that time ended up in history books. I wish I was born four centuries earlier.

>>10045763
>>10046679
>>10046338

I like how the only sane people have no replies, like a group of humans setting foot in a chimp shit trowing war.

>>10046738
Imagine being this much of an ass-sucking fanboy

>>10046738
>
After the model 3s have been mass produced properly, I wouldn't be surprised if they became the global leader in EV production.

Lel no. Tesla actually sucks at building cars. Audi and Mercedes will bring e-SUVs to market next year that are way better built and are sold for 20-30k lrss than the tesla suv. Tesla simply sucks at building cars, they are expensive and have a very bad building quality. The only thing that is keeping them (barely) alive are subsidies and hype.

>>10046775
That's all speculation, my main point is that Tesla popularised EV's in the west, and I don't think you can reliably refute that claim.

>>10046763
Imagine being so deluded and so strongly hating someone because they're more successful than you, that when someone argues against fake information that happens to be in the hated person's favour you call them an ass sucking fanboy.

>>10046793
Mercedes and audi releasing high end e-suvs for 60-70k are not speculation,they literally said this at the Paris automobile show recently. Tesla is biting the grass shillboy, there is no denying it.

>>10046748
>that quora reply
>sane people
imagine being this delusional

>>10046796
>muh success haters meme once again
do you understand the difference between hating someone because he's a fraud and hating someone because he's succesful

>>10046808
Relax, Jesus. I didn't say you were providing me with false information, but you're predicting the future. That is speculation.

>>10046815
So you hate all frauds? You'd spend your weekend arguing with people about how terrible a random no-name is because he obtained money fraudulently from a bank?

You can pretend it's just a meme and that that somehow means it doesn't apply to you, but it's blatantly obvious that you're just envious and unaware.

>>10046815
The reality of the situation is that how fraudulent or not Elon Musk is has no effect whatsoever on your life, and that you're actually just a pathetic, envious boy with small man syndrome.

>>10046835
lol how can someone be so salty
I hate frauds who pretend they're the opposite
combine that with a retarded fanbase and you get the perfect target

but hey, at least you went from pretending that he's not a fraud to "lol u jelly"

>>10046840
>rich and famous people don't care about you, so you're not allowed to discuss them

>>10046849
I didn't say you weren't allowed to discuss him, but you have no other reason to harbour such disdain, so you put the pieces together.

>>10046812
That's Jim Cantrell you incel

>>10044332
>Op thinks he's better than musk even if he has accomplished nothing in life

>10046845
Lmao, I'm not salty, no need to project buddy..

I said he wasn't a fraud where exactly? And you are envious it's pretty clear, envy is not the same as jealousy.

Oh yes, because he pretends that he's doing good when he's not? How original, what a target.

>>10046860
>>10046845

>>10044374
When i masturbate i always cum along with the man, expecially if it is creampie or throatpie it's more invilving!
P.S: obviously there must be a woman involved

>>10044374
Upsetti communist sperging out on an anime board xD

>>10044337
so, yes