/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10037328
There's some overlap between the two. Your best bet would be to research trauma and dissociation. It's the clearest example of profound functional changes without any direct, exogenous hard alteration of the brain at any scale.

>>10037328
psychological damage makes you afraid of using your hand, brain damage makes you forget how to move it

>>10037328
brain damage: broken hardware.
psychological damage: broken software.

>>10037346
Physical Brian damage can cause personality changes as well, not just motor problems.

>>10037349
>Physical Brian damage
As opposed to spiritual brain damage?

>>10037353
>Machine doesn't incur any damage, but starts working differently such that its ability to function in a certain sense is damaged
>No hard loss of capacity is incurred
I guess you could call that spiritual.

>>10037355
So psychological damage is as if a wire in a flashlight is moved in such a way that it starts flickering when turned on. While physical damage is as if a wire were removed and the flashlight can't ever not flicker, without having that part repaired or replaced, rather than simply having it moved back to its 'proper' place.

Is this an apt. analogy?

>>10037348
Hardware can break software and software can break hardware

>>10037373
I'd say so. An added layer could be if there is machinery in the flashlight which may move the wire, and how those systems are activated. It might well be a directional process, where movement to the original state, while possible and relatively lossless, is an uphill process.

It could also be that the wire was forked in two all along, and some insulating gunk has been shoved all over the contacts at one end. Recovering the original state is removing the insulator.

>>10037328
Brain damage is physical damage to the brain.

Psychological damage is when the connections in patterns that ause maladjusted behaviour.

>>10037328
Emotional trauma can lead to physical damage.

Particularly in the case of mothers emotionally raping their sons.

When a mother says disgusting things like "mommy loves my good boy"
she's threatening to withhold love, if the child is not "good" in an effort to manipulate the child's behavior. The crossed wires in the child's brain can have long term devastating effects, and often physical brain damage.

Covert incest, also known as emotional incest, is a type of abuse in which a parent looks to their child for the emotional support that would be normally provided by another adult. The effects of covert incest on children when they become adults are thought to mimic actual incest, although to a lesser degree.

"oh sweetie, you make mommy so happy"
sends all the wrong messages to a young boy.
dependence, co-dependence
-mommy needs me to make her happy
-mommy won't be happy if I date girls my age

physical rape heals quickly, emotional rape can be worse than death sadly; there are a lot of sicko mothers out there.

>>10037416
>physical rape heals quickly,
You mean the psychological component? It certainly doesn't, especially in childhood.

>>10037328

It is a subtle but important question.
Traumatic brain injuries can alter radically the behaviour, which is a manifestation of thought and by consequentiality of psychology (like Phineas Gage)
Brain degeneration can lead to loss of functionality of areas and loss of connections, which then leads to behavioural changes (dementia, altzheimer, prion disease, etc)

The interesting thing is linked to how the concepts are stored in the brain, which is via networks: when you "get" something, a certain pathway is activated, by reinforcing the "thing" new connections might form to different existing paths and they are also reinforced.
This is a clear linkage between experience and "hardware".
Psychological damage, like PTSD, is a learning process, boosted by emotional components (which plays a major weight in the process in which the brain assesses the importance of the stimulus) which can create extremely strong connections, which can link itself to more existing circuits (for example, you've been bitten by a dog and now you are afraid of chocolate cookies because they are both brown).
Also the insidious part is that the psychological damage changes the expression and the behaviour of the individual, which has direct consequences on things like hormones productions and regulations, an example is how anxiety might interphere with relaxation, which leads to sleep disorders, which royally fucks up lots of hormones, which increase the general sense of suffering, which increases the stress response, which lessens the efficiency of the immune system and impairs some neurophysiological issues.

The cause of the change is the interaction between the environment and the genetic and the specific timing of events (the same trauma does not have the same consequences, on the same person, in different ages), which triggers learning and pattern creation.

The effects can be extremely varied, from avoiding chocolate cookies to becoming a douche and ending alone to whatever

>>10037425
No. I said physical. When a mother forces her son to perform physical sex acts on her.
The physical wounds heal quickly.
When the mother physically penetrates the child with objects, as punishment, or for her own sick pleasure, the wounds heal, with proper treatment.
Often, the psychological component is less damaging, when masked by physical abuse.
The pain can be attributed to the physical harm, causing one to be distracted from the emotional. Once the physical wounds have healed, it's "all better" not always the case.

>>10037328
>What's the difference between brain damage and psychological damage?
Physical = hardware damage
Psychological = Software damage
A computer could have perfect hardware, but delete an important part of the operating system and it's little more than a fancy and inefficient fan.
>Is the distinction then about the degree of change?
Honestly, I don't know.
Do people in a catatonic state purely due to non-physical damage develop physical brain damage over time? Is it fair to point to that physical damage as a cause?
>The cause of the change?
I think it'd be fair to say that.
>The effects?
If we go by the effects then we'd classify everything as physical damage, right?
Because the effects of psychological damage can be picked up on those brain scans like in pic related.

>>10037461
You're not really making sense.

>>10037472
>Physical = hardware damage
>Psychological = Software damage
The distinction between the two is not clear in terms of the brain.

>>10037479
If your mother stomps on your balls, because she hates men, and is sexually aroused by causing pain. You might be inclined to believe believe that it was "an accident". The doctors remove your testicles, you heal, you adapt and grow up never knowing her true motive. your relationship with mommy is better now that you are more girly.

>>10037495
I see. Misattribution and subsequent data layered onto this foundation. Amnesia barriers and training to keep out the doubt, and therefore, the truth.

>>10037501
Adding to this though. Something can look and act normal, it can even mostly experience itself as stable, but have some carefully fenced off patches of its mind be a festering, writhing mass.

People are like places. And the right context shows many places have only been pretending to be sane.

>>10037485
>The distinction between the two is not clear in terms of the brain.
>>10037472
>If we go by the effects then we'd classify everything as physical damage, right?
>Because the effects of psychological damage can be picked up on those brain scans like in pic related.
I'm probably wrong, but that's how I understand it at the moment.

>What's the difference between brain damage and psychological damage?

Brain Damage = Physical distortion of solid mass = visible to naked eye

Psychological Damage = chemical/electrical alteration of pathways = invisible/near invisible to naked eye

>>10037516
The brain works (in conjunction with the body) primarily through a reward system.
when you touch yourself, you brain rewards you with a pleasure signal. When you touch yourself to orgasm, you brain rewards you with a dose of oxytocin (Orgasm)
Like any drug, you can become an addict to your own brain chemistry.
As you use parts of your brain, more than others, these areas can become more developed, or overdeveloped, taking blood flow away from other areas of the brain resulting in physical damage.

in terms of software / hardware, think rootkit virus that destroys hard drive.

>>10037328
Brain damage is like blowing out a capacitor on your motherboard. Psychological damage is like having shitware installed.

>>10037348
If you exhibit symptoms of a psychological problem, there is in fact a physical abnormality.

We do not have the ability to scan brains and detect every problem. Every brain is more unique than a fingerprint. No two brains are alike. This makes it very hard to scan, when there is no blueprint.

>>10037571
>If you exhibit symptoms of a psychological problem, there is in fact a physical abnormality.
Reversibility and endogenous capacity for future state change is what differentiates the two.

>>10037505
Very true. Humans tend to think that a majority equally normality.

>>10037572
The brain has the capacity to adapt and overcome many, even traumatic brain injuries.
When someone has a stroke, and they lose control of an entire side of their body. Their brain can create new neuropathways to control their muscles, and through therapy they can learn to walk again.

you cannot predict what can or cannot be "fixed" the patient's diet plays a crucial role in recovery, and less than 2% of the population follow a healthy diet.

>>10037586
We're blurring together hard physical state, and high level functional characteristics.

>>10037328
Brain damage leads to psychological impairments. It's sometimes hard to separate the two.

>>10037591
there is no distinction. a part of your brain may perform one function today, and adapt to perform an entirely different task a year from now.
Regardless if the damage is caused by emotional stress, drugs, or a bullet, brains can and do adapt and overcome problems.
a large percentage of the population are not high functioning to begin with, so don't expect miracles.

>>10037598
Many "psychological disorders" are indeed linked to environmental causes. Strokes, Heat-stroke, Traumatic brain injuries are far more prevalent in high temperature regions of the globe. Some disorders are common in Canada, and other cold climates.

>>10037598

Debatable man from article below was able to live a normal life as a civil servant with a family and no reported psychological or social issues.

https://bigthink.com/the-medical-mystery-of-a-man-living-with-90-of-his-brain-missing-2604500440.amp.html

Only reason he found out was because he was having difficulties with his leg.

>>10037618
Yeah, he lived as an NPC.

>>10037618
Because of it's history, "Shell-shock" "Battle fatigue" now more commonly called "Post Traumatic Stress Disorder" is often thought to be caused by a serious physical injury.
Actually it can be caused, simply because mommy didn't breastfeed you enough in your formative years. It can be physically debilitating. Sometimes the answer is as simple as finding a woman who lactates, and making up for your childhood deficit.

>>10037348
Software is like a protocol by which hardware functions right? It's ultimately just a way of arranging hardware rather than a thing in its own right.

So both should still come down to the same thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II96QkZaz1E

>>10037639
>Software is like a protocol by which hardware functions right?
Hmmm, I wouldn't put it like that
> It's ultimately just a way of arranging hardware rather than a thing in its own right.
Yeah, you could maybe say that.
>So both should still come down to the same thing.
In the brain, yes, in your computer, not quite.

>>10037639
software is merely ones and zeros. a leaky gate can cause software to fail, just as easily as the software can cause hardware to fail.
But there is very little hard-wiring in a brain. It functions more as a emulator, or virtual machine, than it does a processor. It's adaptive to it's environment. it doesn't cry and beg you to port software for the Mac platform, and threaten a smear campaign against your company because you cater to the windows/linux universe, it takes what you throw at it, and runs with it.

>>10037416
Kill yourself, you sick bastard

>>10037837
He's not wrong. That's a form of trauma programming.

>>10037591
there is almost no distinction at all, everything is physical and has some material correlate which is altered if function is altered this is a basic implication of naturalistic ontology. I swear to god Comp-sci people are all religious niggers

>>10037844
You've misunderstood, I'm not talking in terms of a hardware / software dichotomy, I'm talking about the mechanics of a state change, reversibility, and total capacity. These are relevant parameters.

Refer to my earlier posts:
>>10037339
>>10037355

And especially take into mind trauma / dissociation and compartmentalization. Also refer to Ewen Cameron's experiments at McGill, where apparently, after you wipe someone's memory with sensory deprivation and electroshock, they regress to an infantile state. This implies our higher level functionality is in fact layered onto some sort of core self. This is also relevant.

Pretty much, dissociation, chronic extreme stress, and many other factors can lead to behavior and ability resembling profound brain damage, but highly conditional and with high reversibility. These state changes can occur very quickly, as well. The brain having means to reorganize after physical trauma and structural damage is entirely apart from what I'm talking about.

>>10037564
This.

>>10037505
this is a confused line of thought

>>10037883
Is it so hard to provide some explanation? This is an empty statement, near entirely worthless. You might as well have just written "bump + i dont like some stuff here".

What's the matter with you?

>>10037856
You’re switching into information and cog neuroscience terminology and are moving away from physiological and biomolecular descriptions of these events. Someone with schizophrenia will have altered dopamine and seratonin receptors which we can physically detect and whole brain regions will change in morphology.

>>10037895
I think people have forgotten the thread topic.
>What's the difference between brain damage and psychological damage?

Again, it's about capacity for state change, reversibility, etc. Yes, someone with schizophrenia will have altered mesolimbic dopamine activity, high urinary phenylethylamine, and so forth. And by some measure entirely apart from their causative basis, they'll bring about downstream changes in the brain. Now what portion of these changes are reversible, and what behavioral effects do they have? Say you have a decent amount of fenton reaction induced dopaminergic brain damage via dopamine autoxidation. Even if functional characteristics in some areas, and by some metrics, are recovered, the total capacity of the individual is altered and probably reduced. With "psychological damage" as you can see in case studies on dissociation, the individual can rapidly gain and lose functionality. They have major functional deficits, but they are not fixed. The basis of these changes doesn't seem to induce detectable progressive neurodegeneration, either.

The other aspect here is that brain damage can bring about major gains in functionality. There were studies done on a species of weasel in australia that's fairly aggressive, lacks long term planning, so forth. Removal of large regions of the reticular formation brought about a calming effect, however, it also made them far more intelligent in some areas. They displayed long term planning, delayed gratification, would rig ways to escape from their enclosures. Would allow themselves to be handled so they could view the room from different angles than their cages. All this after major brain damage to an animal that previously either curled up int he corner of the cage or broke all its teeth off gnawing on the cage meshing, then started smashing itself against it.

Loop back to post #1 by me.
"there's some overlap between the two."
And I think that's the most concise and accurate answer.

>>10037921
there is no such thing as a psyche so its an irrelevant dichotomy. function is the behavior of a physical system which can be recorded and mapped in biophysical and mathematical language not in the language of cognitive science or “behavior”.

>>10037934
Explain contextual memory recall to me.
Explain dissociation.

Do so without invoking anything suggesting a psyche.

>>10037943
No one understanda consciousness or memory adequately to give the same level of rigor in description as we can for cardiac or pulmonary function, anon. You’re positing noexistent empirically questionable phenomena in place of waiting for more data and better tools for investigation which is exactly why psychology is suffering a replication crisis. For now we can only do brain region alchemy and this may never change, it absolutely does not mean the psyche exists. Disassociation is an unclear concept which seems loaded with notions about what constitutes “embodied” or aware consciousness, and even the notion of consciousness or self awareness as well. I have no doubt behavioral genetics and neuroscience could give useful approximate but very incomplete descriptions of both those processes. there is no need to make recourse to phenomenology or “cognitive science” humans are terrible at accurately describing the inner workings of their own mind, whatever that is supposed to mean. You’re using a logic which applied before we understood the causal chain from dna-protein-tissue-organ and finally function.

>>10037975
You're focusing on low level details that are irrelevant to modeling and predicting macro phenomena with a high degree of accuracy. Look at you for example. You probably get up everyday to go where you're told, do as you're told, within the bounds you're implicitly told you must operate within, and therein, think as you're told. This is what large scale, highly organized societies (systems) are predicated on. You think someone in Babylon, ancient Rome, Athens, etc knew anything about biophysics? You think Goebbels studied neuroscience? you think anyone who designed the systems that control the greater effect of your behavior, every day, thought in this way? Of course not. There are many examples, but the fact is you don't need that fine grained low level understanding to identify higher level features. In the case of a fuzzy object like the "psyche", it's quite clear such a thing kind of has to exist.

You keep saying it, even. "you you you". What are you even talking about? "I I I", what is that? I don't understand your fixation on these archaic concepts we had before we started taking brains apart! To me it really looks like you're just locked on the bottom up approach, and somethings got you all upset about the top down approach. You're mad about psychology for some reason, which is preventing you from seeing the connections and basis of anything you're reading.

I made another post about this a while ago. I also ate half of a liftmode "energy cap" capsule earlier, and I'm regretting it. Scrambled my brains all up, so this world has already got enough out of me.

>>10037313
>>10037324

>>10037328
>>10037328
They're both physical. (Everything is physical goddammit) Brain damage is like a big mechanical change in your brain while psychological damage is a small change in your synapses or what not.

>Is the distinction then about the degree of change?
As said above, yes
>The cause of the change?
Usually yes, they can cause one other I guess or have the same cause sometimes
>The effects?
Sometimes

>>10037348
I'm not a computers guy, but if I'm correct, software is written on a hard drive. Like it's tiny tiny micro scratches on a hard drive, right? So on a small enough level everything is physical

Read up on Hemispherectomy it will blow your mind. A hundred years of medical theory out the window, when you can literally remove half a human brain, and there is no change in the patient. Some suggest that one hemisphere of the brain is simply a redundant backup to the other half, and we can live without one or the other. It was previously believed, that the left side of the brain controlled the right side of the body, and the right side of the brain controlled the left side of the body, but this is clearly not true. Theory of how memory works, is back to the drawing board. What are the odds that you could remove half a brain, with no noticeable impact on the patient's memory, or IQ?

The procedure has been done on left, and right sides of the brain with no difference in outcome.
Some even theorize that memories aren't stored in the brain at all, but rather remotely accessed from a cloud storage someplace else.

>>10038101
>A hundred years of medical theory out the window, when you can literally remove half a human brain, and there is no change in the patient.
This is patently false.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemispherectomy#Results

>>10038145
there are always some exceptions, anon
a few rare cases, does not make something patently false.
Airplanes fly.
>not all airplanes can fly, you are a liar
grow up

>>10037348
this
>>10037571
>>10037639
>>10038056
If there is a bug in a program, that doesn't mean there is something wrong with the hard drive.
And yes, if you want to be an asshole, programs are physically written on the memory, obviously. They wouldn't exist otherwise.

>>10038215
You said that there's no change.
Kids have to go extensive extensive physical therapy in order be able to use again the limbs associated to the missing hemisphere.
>This procedure is almost exclusively performed in children because their brains generally display more neuroplasticity, allowing neurons from the remaining hemisphere to take over the tasks from the lost hemisphere.
-wiki
Just look at some of the videos on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2fCY_M7Vms

Sadly, Dawkins is correct about some members of the human race. I truly pity their miserable soulless existence. I am eternally grateful to be alive, rather than just existing, waiting to die.

>>10038248
Forgot the part of the quote where he said "All of us, except for anon, he's special".

>>10037328
Brain damage is induced by things like diseases or trauma that directly damage it. Psychological damage is induced just by your experience and corresponding thinking. You can solidify anxiety with your own thinking, initially born from a stressful and emotional events. This is obviously not the same as hitting your head on something.

>>10038472
Also you could argue that severe psychological damage has its roots in biological malfunctions anyway.

>>10038269
fkn fell off my chair

>>10038543
It is surprising to hear that Richard Dawkins finally acknowledges the existence of a superior being. His whole shtick has been denial.

>>10038472
>Brain damage is induced by things like diseases or trauma
depression is both, a disease, and a trauma
Alzheimer's is a trauma inducing disease
Epilepsy, down syndrome, alcoholism....

>>10038217
>And yes, if you want to be an asshole, programs are physically written on the memory, obviously. They wouldn't exist otherwise.
I think the same can be said about the brain. It's not a magnetic disk or a NAND memory, of course. But it is a set of neurons, their connections and their states.
Of course, we can't solve most psychological problems by looking at it this way. We don't have the means to analyze and "micromanage" the brain at that scale.
So we resort to spherical-cow simplifications, which sometimes work.

Drinking alcohol causes brain damage.

Typically it is the weaker brain cells that are killed first. So moderate alcohol use could be viewed as a part of natural selection. Having a drink, thins the weaker brain cells improving the overall health of the herd.

>>10038989
Generally only stripping of dendritic spines. Outright apoptosis / necrosis requires fairly high ethanol concentration, or long term heavy boozing.

Some cell death occurs, but to my knowledge not widespread.

>>10038996
Difficulty walking, blurred vision, slurred speech, slowed reaction times, impaired memory: Clearly, alcohol affects the brain. Some of these impairments are detectable after only one or two drinks a person who drinks heavily over a long period of time may have brain deficits that persist well after he or she achieves sobriety. Exactly how alcohol affects the brain and the likelihood of reversing the impact of heavy drinking on the brain remain hot topics in alcohol research today.
Alcohol can produce detectable impairments in memory after only a few drinks and, as the amount of alcohol increases, so does the degree of impairment. Large quantities of alcohol, especially when consumed quickly and on an empty stomach, can produce a blackout, or an interval of time for which the intoxicated person cannot recall key details of events, or even entire events. Alcohol interferes with cell production (forming memories, etc.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_phosphorylation

>>10037416
was freud right along?
are incels and "i hate women ree" posters really all just a result of mommy issues?

>>10039017
Well, yes, all of that is occurring while the individual has the contents of the drink in their body, as well as its metabolites, condensation products, and so forth. My interest is state prior to drinking vs state after. To an extent mechanics driving the aspects of that transition. Memory formation is recovered, as is motor coordination and so forth. Most of these changes are functional, rather than mediated by cell death.

Now the main change far as I can tell comes from altered hormone release, and changes in dendritic spine formation and subsequent maintenance. a2-delta subunit behavior is clearly changed, and blocks of that VGCC subunit reverse it temporarily. There's also the well documented inability for immature spines to become mature spines, and overall the brain doesn't crystallize.

Are there any good papers on cell death in reasonable exposure conditions?

>>10039746

No, he was wrong on many things but Freud had the significant merit of saying "maybe states of mind are important and not so simple to understand.

It is, well complicated.

>>10039780
I don't think Freud was wrong on what shook out as his core thesis of man. The core aspects of penis envy and castration anxiety, without all the twisty stuff, are rampant and quite overt in modern western societies.

>>10039746
the person you’re talking to doesnt know what they’re talking about at all, freud was a retard

>>10039798

Well, that's like your opinion.
I understand but I disagree.

>>10039809
Says some neb on 4chan.

Hey, maybe you're the retard.

>>10039780
Everyone I ever met in the field of psychiatry, chose that field for personal reasons. More often than not, they chose psychology because of their own defect. They continued in the field, because it helped them feel better about themselves. Then they made a career out of it because, it's what they knew.

>>10039809
>the person you’re talking to doesnt know what they’re talking about at all
of course he is I'm mocking him and the misogynists of 4chan. semi-serious about mommy issues tho
>freud was a retard
hard to call him a retard even if he was wrong about literally everything desu

>>10039823
>hard to call him a retard

there is overwhelming evidence that Freud was banging his own mother from the time he was fourteen years of age. He spent most of his life conflicted, trying to hide the fact, and to justify it at the same time.
there are many forms of retardation. Being that parents are responsible for the upbringing of a child, it's not a stretch to hold them accountable, when they fail in their duty, resulting in your setback.

>>10039842
>there is overwhelming evidence that Freud was banging his own mother from the time he was fourteen years of age.
Perverse curiosity takes hold.

I must know more.

>>10039850
>Freud

>>10039867
the two were inseparable

>>10039879
to the very end

>>10039816
You demonstrate an incapacity for higher levels of thought and serious problems handling adverse emotional stimuli i suggest you stop posting and reevaluate your behavior.
>>10039823
Yea that’s wrong, parenting is almost a nil part of what goes into the development of a human.
>hard to call him a retard
I meant in the colloquial sense of a very unremarkable person pretending to be intelligent, anon. Of course he wasn’t an idiot.
>>10039850
You don’t need to know these things.

>>10039842
>gives the definition of the verb instead of the noun
they teach this in like middle school but perhaps your education is a bit >retarded as well

>>10039842
>there are many forms of retardation
>>10039885
were you trying to prove my point?
Don't be embarrassed, lots of people were injured by their parents. Being developmentally, or emotionally challenged is nothing to be ashamed of. You had no say in your parent's choice to vaccinate you with all those neurotoxins that damaged your brain when you were a baby.

>>10039884
>i suggest you stop posting and reevaluate your behavior.
Dealing with morons on here is beginning to get to me. I need it to connect. I'm not getting back what I want and eventually need, and have no means or desire to internally counterbalance. I assume an high frequency, labile state.

>>10039964
I want to see these people's faces, anon. I want each to know the other is able to get their hands on them.

>>10039964
>Dealing with morons on here is beginning to get to me.
take a break, anon
go play WoW for a while

>>10037328
Wait wait, can you die from psychological damage? Cause you can certainly die from physical brain damage.

>>10039997
Fuck off, blizzard kike.

>>10040078
We've talked about it in the thread and psychological damage can lead to brain damage which can lead to death, also you can be stressed enough that your heart stops lol.

Though, I don't know why you made this post, the thread is asking, not making claims.

>>10040107
Uhhh those seem like very different ideas, I mean if my adrenaline kicks in and that leads to heart failure, that's not on my brain, that's on my heart and endrocin system. But if my brain can no longer inervate muscles its clearly my brain that is the cause of death.

I only asked because I was unsure of the answer and too lazy to read, I kinda figured if the question was being asked by OP they probably had an idea that they were trying to push on everyone else, kinda obfuscating the core of it all until they couldn't be proven wrong.

I suppose also I am biased, TBI survivor here, defuse axonal type with some focal bleeds and physical damage to my body as well.

>>10037328
Psychological damage alters brain physically

>>10040078

Well, if your dopaminergic system is severely impaired because/since (the link is complex) you are clinically depressed and you kill yourself, you've died from psychological damage.

>>10037328
This is the equivalent of saying “Whats the difference between a night of binge drinking and just removing your entire fucking liver? As far as i am concerned it is the same thing.”

You see how retarded you sound?

>>10039822

It can be true for every field you choose.
I choose a stem field because I find mechanical and logical things reassuring, since I've had some stuff happening to me when I was young and I've remained uncomfortable with people since then.
Of course I've understood this long after my graduation.

>>10040677
I'm asking about the difference between two words that both describe a change in the brain, I know/feel they're different or else I wouldn't have asked. Dunno what came across as cynical in that OP.

>>10040677
Yes, in extreme cases the result is the same.
Now what about more subtle changes.

>>10037328
>either is just the brain changing in a way we don't want
You can use both to define damage to your cerebrum, there's magical program in your head that gets damaged. Each just a different term that defines a more specif group of that overall subject. The terms are just confusing because they were much more specif 50 years ago when neuroscience and >psychology weren't as advanced.

When you hear "brain damage" you think of damage caused by a force from outside your brain, eg bleach/alcohol or a blow to the head.

And when you hear "psychological damage" you think of damage caused to your brain internally, usually from emotional/psychological stress. eg. ptsd from being in war or watching your dad beat your mom and kill the dog.

>>10040318
>I mean if my adrenaline kicks in and that leads to heart failure, that's not on my brain, that's on my heart and endrocin system.

the brain regulates other systems in the body
you can die because your brain stops your heart
stress can deplete your body of adrenaline, your muscles don't work without adrenaline, including the heart muscles

There are many cases where someone lost a loved one, usually a mother losing a child, in a very horrific way, which caused sever mental trauma, that led to physical damage to the brain.

People sometimes block out memories that are too painful. Imagine if those memories were a huge part of your life/ That's like shutting down a large portion of your brain. We can detect chemical, and electrical changes in the "spots" and watch them grow but there's no surgery that can fix the problem. It spreads, more and more of the brain shuts down. These are extreme case, but there is evidence that this happens to a lesser degree, in many types emotional trauma, for example a bad breakup.

>bloke at work died from a brain haemmorage suddenly the other month
>went home with a headache, collapsed that evening and was put on life support in an induced coma
>was taken off life support two days later and died
Scary desu, he was in his 40s and was healthy. Shame, he was a nice bloke.

>>10041635
as you know, prescription medications often say "do not stop taking this medication without consulting your doctor"
abrupt changes to brain chemistry can kill you.
many medications start at a small dose, then gradually increase to an effective dose, and slowly taper off, if you discontinue the drug.

relationship problems are often cited leading up to onset of depression, anxiety, heart attack.

the brain doesn't work like hardware/software it's mostly chemistry. losing a loved one, breaking up, losing your job... are literally "dream shattering" when happy chemicals abruptly stop, it can be chaos.

>>10042122
>he was in his 40s and was healthy.
Obviously not...

>>10042122
Nope he died of boredom, feelings of boredom can kill if they strong enough and he just wanted to leave work.

>>10042122
get ready to die at any moment brother.. if that even mattered.

>>10042878
>if that even mattered.
according to science, when you die
you go to an alternate universe
where there may or may not be milk and honey

>>10037328
Shit life creates bad emotions. That's what you need to know of psychology the rest is mental masturbation.