/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10030494
It will make everyone bald and gay too. It is truly fucking over.

>>10030494
>Risk of cancer
It's the same baseless luddite fearmongering that happens every time there's a new generation of cell service.
>Spying
I haven't seen anything specific or credible about this, but I wouldn't rule it out completely or put it past the NSA to try and pull shit like DUAL_EC_DRBG, RDRAND, or clipper chips with the 5G standard.

yeah Alex Jones said they are using 5G to turn all of us into AI controlled drones.

>>10030494
>Cancer
The main problem is brain damage, sterility, and endocrine and immune dysfunction. Though cancer will probably get you eventually.

>>10030524
>It's the same baseless luddite fearmongering that happens every time there's a new generation of cell service.
And sticks around because it remains true with every new generation of mobile teletoy service.

5G has even worse penetration than 4G.

http://www.newsweek.com/migratory-birds-bee-navigation-5g-technology-electromagnetic-radiation-934830

https://ehtrust.org/scientists-and-doctors-demand-moratorium-on-5g-warning-of-health-effects/

>>10030546
Sources

No reading version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBsUWbUB6PE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5GiFMJVl6Q

Literature sources:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23802593
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26300312
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29573716
http://cyrusfarivar.com/docs/WiFi%20Health/EBBE-review.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1482415

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8388394

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF
Historical reviews, symposium proceedings, etc ^
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19810017132.pdf

>>10030558
>VGCCtard hasn't overdosed and died yet
aww

>>10030549
Due to the magnetic field component causing motion of charge groups in the intercellular space.

>>10030561
It's pretty hard to die via overdose of cacao.

>>10030548
Cell phones are not toys, they are the culmination of a century of signal theory and electronics research, as well as a heap of other fields and disciplines' best inventions distilled to their very essence and miniaturized in a hand-held device affordable by average person and capable of connecting them to any other person in range of the cellular network around the world in less than a second. It is the ultimate marvel of mankind and should not be looked at as a fucking toy.

>>10030568
I'm talking about all the other drugs you said you did because the doctors didn't understand you.

>>10030571
t. S o yboy

>>10030571
They're highly advanced superfluous toys, 9.5 times out of 10.

>>10030572
The drugs I've done are limited to dextroamphetamine and alcohol. You may have interpreted other common herbs as something more exotic.

>>10030575
Care to explain these?
>>/sci/thread/S9951733#p9951745

>>10030556
>180 doctors and scientists from around the world
>Citations list includes bioinitiative report and other completely unbiased sources
A rehash of the same stunts by the same people

>>10030558
Are you the same guy from the sex drive thread?
If you are, what did you mean by aluminum in the air? Are you talking about inhaling shavings or does it offgas or some shit?
I don't want to get alzheimers and I'm trying to limit my exposure to it.

>>10030548
learn how electromagnetic radiation works, the radio waves are literally too large to damage your cells.

>See this thread
>Immediately know who's going to be posting in it
Hi there
>>10030600
This is who you're talking to when you respond to a post talking about how microwave pulses/emf/rf/vlf/whatever is bad for you and will wreck your life through vgccs. The following posts outline one man's mental illness and egotistical delusions. It's pointless to argue with him.

IF YOU ONLY READ ONE LINK READ THIS ONE:
>>/sci/thread/S7412900#p7419557
He's a dumb tweaker who went nuts as a teenager and melted his brain with drugs
afterwards.

>>/sci/thread/S6030054
Post from 2013 where he admits he knows doctors won't believe him.

>>/sci/thread/S7381438#p7384671
Here he is admitting he takes stimulants before posting.

>>/sci/thread/S7347630#p7350199
Admits to hallucinations
CONTINUED

>>10030601
>>/sci/thread/S9039115#p9043898
He admits he's dumb as a box of rocks.

>>/sci/thread/S8205938#p8206096
Autistic textwall about how he's a clever superhuman with undiagnosed MS and
self diagnosed bipolar and an insane skeleton


>>/sci/thread/S9072343#p9072588
Goes on about smart meters, the evils of processed food, and how he's so unique

among sheep.

>>/sci/thread/S7644877#p7651596

>>/sci/thread/S7644877#p7650927

>>/sci/thread/S6862166#p6862235
Gets told he's nuts by a doctor

>>/sci/thread/S8800448#p8806774
This speaks for itself
>>/sci/thread/S8369061#p8369080
I'm a special warrior pls stroke my ego

>>/sci/thread/S8339168#p8339266
This entire thread is him wigging out about how he's totally not insane and the evils of shrinks.

>>/sci/thread/S8322068#p8322156
Him going on about his genius again.

>>/sci/thread/S8261316#p8261569
>>/sci/thread/S8261316#p8261598
Protip: Don't constantly call people myopic if you want to remain anon.
Muh jaw problems muh nerve probems

>>/sci/thread/S8230504#p8245636
Spends half a thread freaking out about MUH JAW MUH SUPER HEALING MUH LOGIC and CT scans, plus some of his wacky medical adventures.

>>/sci/thread/S8219875#p8220852
He's some sort of genius philosopher.

>>/sci/thread/S7397504#p7397645
Arguing with doctors again since they don't agree with his self diagnosis.

>>/sci/thread/S8208158#p8208194
Muh logical framework cures acne

>>/sci/thread/S7355671#p7356297
All caps rage about how stoic he is, and how you don't see him doing exactly what his post says.

>>/sci/thread/S7530472#p7532449
Neurosurgeon pro

>>/sci/thread/S9325159#p9329305
More mental issues

CONTINUED

>>10030558
im not gonna read through all bs sources, because the paper "Biological Effects of Radiofrequency Electromagnetic Field" by
Henry Lai has already a fundamental flaw on the first fucking page. It states that " The close proximity of a cell telephone antenna to the user’s head leads to the deposition of a relatively large amount of radiofrequency energy in the head."

Now everyone who know shite about telecommunications will tell that "a relatively large amount of radiofrequency energy" is fucking little it could barely power an LED. 99% of the power an antenna sends is lost, and its not even fucking much to begin with (otherwise you would have to recharge your mobile phone every 3 hours). But yeah keep imagining yourself, that for some reason, someone wants to hurt you for profit. Its not like that every company under the fuckiing sun hates it when things like that exposed and their reputations are destroyed, which could easily happen everyday.

>>10030603
>>/sci/thread/S9327702#p9331355
Whining about neuralgia again, admits that he feels mentally impaired.

>>/sci/thread/S4345068#p4349402
Admits that he's given himself brain damage with drugs.
>>/sci/thread/S9277397#p9278603
Admits that he's a sperg with a bias against phone users.


I'm guessing most of these links are in the above copypasta but reading your own pasta is for nerds
LINKS:
>>/sci/thread/S9327702#p9331355
>>/sci/thread/S7412900#p7419557
>>/sci/thread/S6030054
>>/sci/thread/S7381438#p7384671
>>/sci/thread/S7347630#p7350199
>>/sci/thread/S9039115#p9043898
>>/sci/thread/S8205938#p8206096
>>/sci/thread/S9072343#p9072588
>>/sci/thread/S7644877#p7651596
>>/sci/thread/S7644877#p7650927
>>/sci/thread/S6862166#p6862235
>>/sci/thread/S8800448#p8806774
>>/sci/thread/S8369061#p8369080
>>/sci/thread/S8339168#p8339266
>>/sci/thread/S8322068#p8322156
>>/sci/thread/S8261316#p8261569
>>/sci/thread/S8261316#p8261598
>>/sci/thread/S8230504#p8245636
>>/sci/thread/S8219875#p8220852
>>/sci/thread/S7397504#p7397645
>>/sci/thread/S8208158#p8208194
>>/sci/thread/S7355671#p7356297
>>/sci/thread/S7530472#p7532449
>>/sci/thread/S9311106#p9311384
>>/sci/thread/S9325159#p9329305
>>/sci/thread/S9277397

This copypasta brought to you by the /sci/-/cow/ best friends 4 lyfe club
tldr you'd have an easier time convincing geometric unity that he isn't god than talking to this man.

>>10030583
I learned to type on a typewriter, and separate my sentences with two spaces.

I guess I'll finally go through this list you've compiled.

These aren't me:
>>/sci/thread/S4345068#p4349402
>>/sci/thread/S6030054
>>/sci/thread/S6862166#p6862235
>>/sci/thread/S9277397

These I don't know about:
>>/sci/thread/S8339168#p8339266
>>/sci/thread/S8219875#p8220852
>>/sci/thread/S8208158#p8208194 (Sounds like something I'd say, but lacks double space delimiters. Cannot be me.)

I used to be afraid to look back, and these days I still don't spend much time doing so. The internet provides a lens into the past. Thank you for being the gatherer of my memories and past me's I suppose.

>>10030600
Refer to my post. Your belief has been known to be incorrect since the 1950's.

>>10030558

>>10030601
>>10030603
>>10030611
This much I'm not willing to check through. If your prior posts are a representative sample, you can expect a decent error rate. It will remain unknown to what extent the me in anon's head is his own canon.

>>10030624
Anybody can read them and come to their own conclusions about your credibility.

>>10030624
Also, in the first thread you linked with your list, later on I'm actually around to say it isn't me. Lol.

Who knows how much and where this happens when I'm not around?

>>10030626
Muddying the waters, which is the real intention. An ancient tactic.

Anyway. With this kind of fixation I hope you're at least getting payed for this.

>>10030620
effect can be worsened by pollution particles

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37276219

>>10030638
>Everyone who laughs at a singular autist going on a crusade is paid !11!!
jej

>>10030494
> risk of cancer with it
Sure, why not. Same chance of cancer as with 4G I would guess

>spying on people
Depends on the encryption, if there is none, then there will be spying, same as 4G again, I would guess

>>10030608
I´m not saying that they want to hurt us for money, but they just want your money at all costs. As far as I know, shit isn´t even tested on biological level, which is really fucked up.

>>10030640
Yep, eg magnetite formation. The BBB permeability induced by these devices worsens this effect by increasing the amount of iron present, while they also prevent free iron from being properly drawn to ferritin. More fenton reaction damage, more magnetite formation. Magnetite means local magnetic field, means chance to alter spin state of naturally generate radicals, means free radical generation.

>>10030641
It's possible it's natural and self derived, but it's also kind of bizarre and possible it isn't. Though not seeing this happen with anyone else, maybe something about me just hooked you along the line.

I'll never know.

>>10030656
>Though not seeing this happen with anyone else
Because being this fixated on something and set in your ways enough to completely shut out everyone who actually reads your sources is abnormal.

>>10030494
they're high powered microwaves.

enjoy your cancer.

>>10030651
It's tested independently, then the results are ignored... for decades. Industry knows how it is. Take the director of the FCC, Tom Wheeler. He's an old industry man who was running damage control and PR for telecom back when this was at its first real peak, in the late 80's - early 2000's. High voltage powerlines were a concern as well. Everyone just forgot, but the truth stayed the same.

A recent paper by Hardell and some other scientists detailed their visit to the WHO to protest their RF safety panel. They brought a hidden exposure meter capable of detecting, reasonably well, most common communication schemes. Guess what they found? Nothing. No wifi. No cell phones. Just a small bit from a nearby tower around the edges.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28656257

These people know how it is. Look at rich areas. The rich may control their environment, and you won't see towers where they aren't wanted. The poor and uninformed suffer the local tower siting regulation preemption of the telecommunications act, which explicitly says you cannot bar tower siting based on concerns of health effects. Yes, they got that wording put in, all the way back then. Section 703.

The rich control the product of their labors. The poor do not.

>>10030494
How do they get cancer to spy on people?

>>10030664
Using the superior SI systems, they're actually millimeter waves. Up until now, we've only enjoyed constant unwilling exposure to centimeter waves.

;^)

>>10030548
>it remains true because my fear is real, even though there is never any evidence.


FTFY

Mods, this should be moved over to /x/.

>>10030575

>>10030684
>waaaaah i don't agree
go back to leddid

>>10030590
>what did you mean by aluminum in the air?

There is a lot of aluminum in airplanes, and they spend a lot of time in the air.

>>10030662
>Not liking brain damage et al and being (ambivalently) concerned about the widespread extinction of your species is abnormal
Huh.

>>10030688
/sci/: Fearmongering and Supposition

>>10030691
YOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS
U WOODEN LISTEN :DD

>>10030601
>>10030603
>>10030611


I don't think I have ever seen a more thorough and total BTFO in my entire life.

>>10030687
Stop irradiating everything and anything.

>>10030699
Make me phaggot, I turned up my screen brightness just 4u

>>10030698
Samfaggotry.

>>10030646
>> risk of cancer with it
>Sure, why not. Same chance of cancer as with 4G I would guess

Since 0 = 0, you are most certainly correct.

>>10030679

<---- /x/

That is really the proper board for conspiracy theories.

>>10030704
Look how clever he is.

He must feel really clever.

>>10030703
jej

>>10030699

Learn what "radiation" means.

>>10030710
No, im relly someone else, beleeb me. i donmt evan no how 2 edit html!

>>10030711
What's it mean anon?

>>10030680
I didn´t ask
/s for retarded people

>>10030714
>Everyone who disagrees with me is a single person who's being paid because my highly unorthodox interpretation of physics and biology supported by controversial papers at best and debunked pseudoscience at worst is sound enough that nobody could honestly take issue with my repeated spamming of /sci/
Shit, you unraveled the conspiracy!

>>10030494
This is the worst thread I've ever seen on /sci/, don't you cunts know fucking basics of electromagnetic waves?

>>10030724
You can't talk to this kind of stupid.

I'm leaving for work, and for the best because I'm just helping them drive down the SNR here. To the observer, read my post here:
>>10030558

in the mediafire link, start with the NMRI (Naval Medical Research Institute) bibliography. Make sure to read the Rome Labs review, and the Warsaw Symposium. Nonlinear Electrodynamics in Biological Systems was a later symposium organized by Adey of UCLAs brain research institute. He worked with NASA on the effect and demands of space flight on man, and developed the qEEG. Among other things.

What people need to understand is that none of this fringe, and none of it defies explanation. It's been studied for a very long time. You just have to look.

>>10030743
>lol ur wrong I'm leaving now lalalala I can't hear you
Fuckin owned lmao

>>10030746
Don't worry, I'll be back later.

>>10030747
Of course. I doubt someone who's been posting the same links and shutting out conversation since at least 2016 will stop just because people stopped humoring him.

>>10030760
>Still bothers to talk even to you
>"Shutting out conversation"
This one'll put the right spin on and sell ya a pack of lies, lemme tell ya what. Watch out for this fella.

>>10030760
>Still bothers to talk even to you
>"Shutting out conversation"
This one'll put the spin right on and sell ya a pack of lies, lemme tell ya what. Watch out for this fella.

It's designed to handle delivery drones/automated cars etc sending eachother shitloads of data all the time. It's also much more stable than 4g and obviously way faster (10-20gb/s). People advocating the cancer meme literally deserve to get cancer, especially that one anon in this thread.

>>10030778
You respond to people but you've never listened to anybody. You just want people to listen to and believe your delusions and refuse to question your own beliefs.

>>10030519
I read this in his voice.
Fuck you.

>>10030828
Maybe this will be the time when those claims come backed with some substance.

It's just the same old tiresome frame job. You're all fluff and you come around to turn the dialogue onto itself, and away from the topic. I just hope people can see it.

>>10030494
Spying on people with cancer is pretty low.

>>10030558
Adding on a few other important papers.

Irreversible infertility:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9261543

General theory:
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/7521096402.pdf

In vivo DNA damage in humans:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29667447

Behavioral changes with prenatal exposure:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22428084

>>10031623
Do you even statistics?

Are those in those papers implications or correlations? Was it done on humans?

>>10031623
This is also a good lens into what we're dealing with.
https://ehtrust.org/us-scientist-criticizes-icnirps-refusal-to-reassess-cell-phone-radiation-exposure-guidelines-after-us-national-toxicology-program-studies-show-clear-evidence-of-cancer-in-experimental-animals/

>>10031658
I don't entirely understand. Have you read the papers?

Otherwise, direct RF study in humans has a few modern challenges.
-There are no available high quality control groups. Even the Amish are sometimes acted on by cell towers.
-Dosimetry is difficult. Even though short term (acute) studies typically show effects, you'd have to lock someone in a faraday cage for a few weeks to have something resembling a field naive state.
-All the other problems that go along with studying humans. You can't take them apart, time between generations is long, highly varied environments.

This is why you look to the whole body of literature and cross reference it with information that's available. It's a picture that's very clear. eg here
>>10029359

And you know, if anyone bothered to read anything in the mediafire link I posted, you'd have access to large reviews of literature from countries all over the world on whatever aspect you're interested in. I'm going through the roughly 1700 papers I have, mostly alphabetically. That's a pretty decent sample size considering a number of papers review whole decades of research in a given area.

>>10031658
>Arguing with him
Godspeed

>>10031688
Also, in the case of irreversible infertility, consider this. Mice have a gestation time ~30 days, and can begin a new pregnancy very shortly after. In those conditions, it only took 5 generations for complete inability to produce viable offspring.

The main problem in humans is prenatal exposure causing genetic damage early on to the stem cells forming the germline. In women in particular, until a late stage oocytes have virtually no free radical defenses. It is there that the major genetic damage occurs. The child will be born. Maybe normal, maybe not. The child will have its germ line cells further damaged while it's coming to reproductive age. And when it goes to have children, that's where you'll see the effect. We have a whole generation of kids being born in the last 5 years, that might well be incapable of having healthy offspring, or having offspring at all. That's what we're looking at right now. And that's not based on one study, read the links I've posted, follow the citations.

>>10031696
How could anything in the current year be bad?

>>10030494
5G has not been approved. The telephone companies thought that Hillary was going to win the election, and knew she was pay to play so they could get approval after the fact. Despite not having approval, they went ahead and installed billions of dollars worth of 5G equipment all over the country. It will not be approved as long as Trump is president, because the man can't be bribed. So all that investment in 5G will be obsolete before they can even turn it on.

4G is bad, 5G is deadly.

http://www.wi-cancer.info/antenna_sickness.aspx

>>10031753
Trump has already stated that 5G infrastructure is important. And besides, they have Wheeler from the Obama era. An old industry man that's been running damage control for telecom since the 90's.

>Antenna sickness
Indeed. Radiofrequency sickness is everywhere, just as it was described in the Russian occupational studies in the 60's. What we're living is not normal.

Interestingly Putin was recently asked if he was worried about US. He said roughly that he doesn't have to do anything because of our use of electronics. We'll take care of ourselves. Putin was head of KGB at the height of the Russian research of EMFs. Well after the start of the Moscow signal, of course.

Why do cranks always misuse the term EMF?

>>10031765
>Moscow signal
And for reference.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Signal
There are a few possibilities, and it could be multifaceted. Russia was using embassy staff as human test subjects. Russia was trying to spur us into tipping our hand concerning our level of knowledge in the area (complete ignorance at the time). Russia wanted to alter the behavior of embassy staff. Russia wanted to trigger public backlash concerning use of existing radar equipment and so forth. Already the sentiment in the Navy and Airforce was "don't stand in the way of the dish, it''ll make you sterile."

I've known people who used to service microwave equipment, and they've said that was a general sentiment. During the Tri-service era the Navy saw this as a source of unrest and lowered morale, and they started studies to put those fears to rest. When they started to find effects similar to those reported in Russia, they cancelled future studies. A review by Christopher Dodge details this period of time.

>>10030590
Aerosolized aluminum particles are sprayed in the atmosphere to help stop global warming. The aluminum reflects heat back to Earth creating an artificial greenhouse effect. Soon more and more people will believe in global warming, and we'll be able to impose carbon tax on every living person on earth. Every man woman and child will be enslaved by this debt "pay to breathe" Once the irrevocable tax is in place, we will be able to stop spraying the aluminum, to demonstrate the effectiveness of the tax. Fewer people breathing = less global warming.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_engineering

>VGCC retard is into chemtrails too
yep, this one's going into my mental illness.txt

I got up every day to do as I was told. I felt like a piece of clay, for someone else to mold.

My suit fit me just fine, and my shirt was always clean. My thoughts, they were never mine, but there was no need to scream. I looked left and right, they were all the same. I lay awake at night and tried to recall my name.

I got up the next day and took a long last look. There was no time to stay on the first page of this book.

>>10030494
5g will be dangerous because it will be so awesome that people will stare at their phones more and walk into stuff. The talk about cancer risks is a load of bullshit. Your cellphone can already be used to spy on you. People, and I mean researchers and not the government have been able to track entire cities worth of people to a moderate degree of accuracy just by listening in on cell signals. Switching to 5g makes doing this harder because 5g has such bad penetration. Now you'd have to hack the cell network to determine where people are. Although because the penetration is less you have a better idea of where someone is if you do this. Now 5g could potentially do some james bond tier shit because 5g has to do beam forming. Because 5g can do beamforming you could potentially use it like radar. You can also potentially extract low frequency components to track people by their walking gait. We can already do this with ambient wifi signals though. Oh and to do this on a 5g transceiver, it'd basically have to do only radar rather than transmit crap. You'd probably have to load custom firmware on the transceiver to do it. You should be far more concerned about your internet provider, google, microsoft, and other tech companies spying on you. Make it illegal for them to collect this kind of data. We'll be lucky if we get 5g at all. The range is much less so you have to install transceivers more or less fucking everywhere. Cell companies have shown time and time again that they don't invest in infrastructure. We'll get 5g*, which is just 4g but with a new more colorful sticker and an * saying not actually 5g in drawn out legalese.

>>10031946
>The talk about cancer risks is a load of bullshit.
Very confident. That makes a difference.

>>10031946
>hack
Or just install back doors in every cpu or nic.

>>10030624
wow lol ur brain is broken u lil tyke

>>10032696
lel got em!

>>10030608
I missed this post.

>im not gonna read through all bs sources
Due to a BS reason.

>has already a fundamental flaw on the first fucking page. It states that " The close proximity of a cell telephone antenna to the user’s head leads to the deposition of a relatively large amount of radiofrequency energy in the head."
Yes, relative to other parts of the body with different composition, a relatively large amount of the total energy is absorbed by the thing the antenna is close to. That's what it's saying. It's a common lead in that pretty much says "The emitter is right next to the skull".

> it could barely power an LED.[...]
The effect is athermal, it's not due to tissue heating. The papers linked go into this, and I've gone into this in later posts. This isn't the 1970's anymore, it's pretty thoroughly settled in the west.

>someone wants to hurt you for profit
Someone with your mindset shouldn't bother considering the big picture at this stage, it'll only get in your way. Just read and engage with the available data, there's nearly a 100 years worth and many high quality reviews have been produced.

>>10030494
>cancer
As with any high frequency oscillating electromagnetic field, close proximity seems to statistically correlate with increased cancer risk. However, this has not been conclusively proven and even if it were, standing near such EM wave sources seems to increase your risk by a very small percentage. The very slight difference in risk is the entire reason why this is still up for debate. Cancer is almost entirely determined by genetic factors, with environmental factors making up about 35% of overall risk.

>spying on people
This is entirely probable. They already do this with your wifi signal. If you have numerous wifi enabled devices in your house, you can use signal strength and noise to calculate how much of what kind of material is near the transmitter or reciever. Using this method, sometimes combined with GPS coordinates from devices capable of it, they can build a rough 3D model of your house including real time position of humans sitting in the wifi signal. Its not shockingly precise, but its enough to be able to determine what you do, where in your house, and when. This technology is already deployed by certain tech companies for “advertising purposes”, but officially, no such surveillance is taking place. 5G is said to have many more transmitters in closer proximity to the people using it. This brings the tactics listed above into the realm of possibility. If it’s possible to do something, and profit from it, you can rest assured someone is doing it. Or at the very least, will be doing it soon.

Before you write me off as a conspiracy retard, i would like to let you know that i called(with absolute certainty) the fact that the microphone on your phone is literally always listening, again for “advertising purposes”. I called it back in 2006, and nobody believed me. Yet, here we are.

>>10032905
>Something being authored by an infamous crank is a bad reason to ignore it

>>10030494
Retard.

>>10032964
Henry Lai did research for decades, including work about microwaves with Narendra Singh who developed one of the most sensitive versions of the comet assay.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0014482788902650
(cited 10,000+ times). Unless you're dumb enough to unquestioningly believe every claim and slanderous remark by industry and its affiliates, there's nothing to make him a "crank". If it's not junk, back it up.
Refer to the leaked memo by Motorola back in the 90's stating that they'd sufficiently war-gamed Lai and Singh's studies.
https://microwavenews.com/sites/default/files/sites/default/files/backissues/j-f97issue.pdf
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/devra-davis-phd/cell-phones-brain-cancer_b_3232534.html
https://www.seattlemag.com/article/uw-scientist-henry-lai-makes-waves-cell-phone-industry

And it's another matter with William Ross Adey.
His last paper before his death in 2004.
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/7521096402.pdf
-Taught at Oxford
-Worked with NASA
-Was one of the main researchers involved in the development of qEEG
-Early pioneering work in the use of computers to evaluate dynamic datasets like the EEG
-Worked in the DoD's project pandora
-Was the head supervisor and a lead researcher at UCLA's brain research institute
-Co-authored major papers like the original Ca2+ efflux study.
-Received millions in research grants from the department of energy, office of naval affairs, and private entities over the course of 30 years and practically until his death
-Was bulletproof enough in his manner and work that entities (eg WHO, Navy) would try to shit talk his work in one section, but unavoidably speak of him with practically a sense of reverence in a later one at a time when the field as a whole was experiencing widespread loss of funding / high probability of being fired or forced out if you didn't play ball. A trend that continues in Europe.

I'm a patient man, but this is in the realm of the absurd.

>>10034036
Character limit.

If you want to have a legitimate conversation then show some vague indication of done some reading and having an understanding of the material. Otherwise, and I mean this quite sincerely, you should fuck off and find something better to do with your time.

>>10034036
Academic obituary for Singh.
https://microwavenews.com/news-center/singh-comet-assay-radiation-research

And more, it's obnoxious and bizarre watching people muse on (naively) in threads about the great firewall and other matters when here it is, something tangible and clearly visible happening right now, right in front of you. A century plus of research, and no interest, nothing. It's too different, it's too scary, it's too inconvenient. What does that tell you?

It's taken as a given that man will survive its use of electricity biologically, but it ain't so. There's more to consider than climate and ecology. Engaging in threads like these has no direct benefit to me beyond occasionally helping to gather and consolidate thoughts on effective communication. It's a poor use of my time.

To anyone reading, I've provided some solid overviews and leads that summarize much of what I've read and how things are. Some portion of the posts that guy has indexed above concerning neuralgia etc are mine, I'm real tired and I figure I don't have much to lose, or much worth continuing for in society. For people who have cause to feel otherwise I suggest you get your shit together and start really looking at your world and what you think you know.

In the early 2000's telecom and some of the major electric utilities started working with Phillip-Morris, a PR / spin firm. This largely took over for the military role that had existed prior. An overview of their operational structure and behavior can be found in the context of the second hand smoke era, and very little has changed since. This is how it works. This is what can be done in highly vertical societies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10770318
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1446868/

It doesn't look good at this point. I feel bad thinking about the kids being born right now who just happened to be born here.

Lastly, some general advice. Beware the Judas goat. Even he gets his in the end.

>>10030571

kek

>>10030494
http://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe

>>10030571
This is the saddest part. Sometimes i wish that technology should be deserved.

>>10030548
if that were true then people would've been dying in droves when radio was first invented.

>>10030608
>99% of the power an antenna sends is lost
a bit off topic, but are there any viable methods of recovering this spent energy somehow using current or proposed technology?

>>10035771
Yes. What you are looking is an electromagnetic energy harvester.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877705815022924

>>10035805
thanks

>>10035767
Why?

>>10035883
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_propagation

>>10035891
Can you tie this to the present topic?

>>10035891
What does that have to do with literally anything?
>>10035898
this
radio waves are gonna kill you retard

>>10035767
Look to the section by C.H, Dodge in "Biological Effects and Health Implications of Microwave Radiation", in the mediafire link above.

>>10030558
Adding on here yet again, refer to the Telecommunications Act of 1996, section 704, subsection 4. "FACILITIES SITING; RADIO FREQUENCY EMISSION STANDARDS."

"`(iv) No State or local government or instrumentality
thereof may regulate the placement, construction, and
modification of personal wireless service facilities on
the basis of the environmental effects of radio
frequency emissions to the extent that such facilities
comply with the Commission's regulations concerning
such emissions.
`(v) Any person adversely affected by any final
action or failure to act by a State or local government
or any instrumentality thereof that is inconsistent
with this subparagraph may, within 30 days after suchaction or failure to act, commence an action in any
court of competent jurisdiction. The court shall hear
and decide such action on an expedited basis. Any
person adversely affected by an act or failure to act
by a State or local government or any instrumentality
thereof that is inconsistent with clause (iv) may
petition the Commission for relief."

I wonder why you'd work to slip in a small section like this in the early stages of mobile phone etc rollout. Could it be that developing legal basis to control a system involves formation of key chokepoints? Now you only have to capture and control the safety standard.

>>10035952
>Telecommunications Act of 1996
the same one that shut down a ton of independant radio operators, but gave massive funding to government approved ones at the time?
I think a better thing to look into would be what the difference is between what the government uses, and what's publically available

>>10035957
Yes, it allowed (and in many ways caused) consolidation of all media outlets into a few large companies. Probably 3 or something at this point.

Can you elaborate on the second sentence?

>>10032669
thats what risc v is for senpai

>>10036570
I don't see how an instruction set can guarantee anything unless there's some math proof that it can. My intuition tells me otherwise.

Maybe you trust Acorn Ltd, since they're British, as if GCHQ isn't as aggressive as American agencies?

>>10032669
This is already done. Someone, for x86, recently found a way to use documented instructions to put values in undocumented registers. Then using an undocumented instruction on that register, switch to ring 0 and bypass memory protection.

I saw it on youtube, blackhat hacker something or other. It should be easy to find.

>>10030687
>>>/reddit/

Bump. Like the 5G problem, this isn't going away.

>>10030549
This.

>>10038326
The human body, at all scales, is transparent to magnetic fields. The skin doesn't block magnetic fields. The bones don't block magnetic fields. The plasma membrane doesn't block magnetic fields.

The extracellular space is an aqueous medium full of highly conductive salts trapped between very good insulators. Magnetic fields can induce motion in those charge groups and thereby reconstruct the electric component in the body. Charge groups can also be made to align. In the case of the calcium channel's voltage sensor, which evolved to be resistant to activation by thermal noise, this can trigger it, and thereby calcium influx.

Immediate penetration depth is irrelevant. The human body is not a homogeneous conductive sphere.

>>10038335
Luckily cellphones use electromagnetic fields, so everything you said is irrelevant.

>>10030558
I swear there is one type of guy for every popular thread that just regurgitates bulshit research to back up a crazy conspiracy. Here is this guy every time a thread about radiofrequencies pops up, there is a guy for vaccines, there was a guy about glyphosphate, 9/11 guys. Or is this just /pol/ shitting on this board?

>>10030601
>>10030603
Good job, anon.

>>10038459
His story isn't even correct.

>>10038456
What I'm curious about is where all the real people are in these sorts of threads. You're definitely something less than a legitimate person.

Something less than a man, something bred to sleepwalk through life.

>>10038462
And further, I've explained as much and corrected his list in multiple threads. Can you guess which ones he omits? And of course nothing he does changes.

I think that tells you a bit about a person. He's strung together a bunch of stuff and padded it with his own gross delusions, and in the post I went through above I found a decent number of posts weren't even mine.
>>10030619

What you're reading is entertainment. It's his head canon, which is formed around distraction and character assassination.

>>10038456
I don't think you have the knowledge to know what is and isn't bullshit.

Let's think what's more bullshit: NASA, the Tri-service commission (Navy, Airforce, Army), multiple symposiums full of people who spent decades in various biological or physical fields of study, and documents with thousands of citations of the same... or you?

I'd have to say it looks pretty likely you're the bullshit. And if you aren't, I'd like to see a thorough response to this post.
>>10034036

>>10038545
And also, mediafire shows the number of downloads for files. I know no one's read them.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24490664
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24460421

Bump for unresolved business.

>>10031782
>impose carbon tax
oh the horror, profiteers have to actually pay themselves for the polluting they are doing, instead of communism for the rich, where the state pays for everything.
talk about cadillac queens.

Anyone have a good little info vid on 5G? I get the gist (faster, more reliable wireless communication) but I'd like to know a few of the specifics of how it's achieved..

>>10030571
Holy fuck.

Cringe.

Fuck, has /sci/ always been this easy to troll? Thought you guys were smart.

PROTIP: Do not reply to troll thread. Hide and move on.

>>10039582
The EPRI and telecom said the same thing.

"We call for an end to further research, it's settled, there's totally nothing to see and we know that! We've been poisoning the literature for decades and it's clear this is all just contradictory rubbish, time to move on!"
Paraphrased, but not inaccurate. Posts like this should be the same way.

Don't break the taboo. Just keep your head down, move along. Nothing to see.

Final bump. After this I will be releasing my interest in this thread, and won't be around as much anymore.

It's up to you to see through it.

>>10032669
>back doors in every cpu
Intel ME

Just gona throw this in here, as for radio waves affecting the body the first signal jammers they used in Iraq in their vehicles were putting out so much power (not heat) that they were dehydrating soldiers who were drinking large amounts of water and not lossing fluids from urinating.
Got this first hand from a radio guy i know.

>>10040424
I've thought for a while that the OP of each thread should be referred to as such instead of Anonymous. The OP could be given some modest powers like giving title of Thread Helper to other Anonymous.

>>10040871
>>>/speddit/

>>10030558
No wonder im autistic as fuck, my mom used her phone while she was pregnant w me.

>>10041185
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_syndrome
This genetic polymorphism causes calcium channels to be overactive, and intracellular calcium to be chronically elevated. It almost always presents with autism. Changes in cholinergic activity and chronic microglia activation are other common features of autism.

If you look around these days, many people are displaying low grade pseudo-autistic traits.

Other reviews.
http://www.marthaherbert.org/library/Herbert-Sage-2013-Autism-EMF-PlausibilityPathophysiologicalLink-Part11.pdf
http://www.marthaherbert.org/library/Herbert-Sage-2013-Autism-EMF-PlausibilityPathophysiologicalLink-Part2.pdf

>>10030549
virgin 5G vs chad 4G

>>10030494
Why didnt 0,1,2,3, and 4G kill everyone? New Age hippies who never held a soldering iron should not be allowed to dictate telecommunications policy.

>>10042882
-The frequencies and modulation schemes used by previous phones has been shown to be harmful. Modern GSM / UMTS schemes have been the most biologically active compared to eg TDMA.
-Cell phones haven't been around very long, 20 -30 years for many countries. Only in the last 10 years have we seen near constant exposure for a large part of the population, and a generation that received extensive prenatal exposure.
-5G uses millimeter waves.
-Killing people is a slow process and is pretty much comparable to accelerated aging. Oxidative stress doesn't kill on the spot. Most of the damage will be realized for children who are exposed (more stem cells, which appear to be more sensitive as well) and genetic material that came from parents with damaged germline DNA. As these children breed with others with their own damaged DNA, the probability of birth defects, miscarriage, and plan sterility increases.

>>10042903
>plan sterility
plain*

>>10042903

But somehow radar since WW2 and the War didn't do shit that whole time?

OrJupiter, or the Sun, or anything else in the fucking universe?