/sci/ - Science & Math

Ree at the FE exam. I’m going through a work book right now and I realize I’ve forgotten all this stuff.

Anyone else trying to follow a generalist career path?
I have already work experience in mechanical design and design for assembly. I'm trying to get some control/electronics gig and go from there. I'm a ME

Any tips?

PS: Obviously I'll specialise in 2 or 3 things. But I don't want to be a super specialist

There are no jobs.

Can someone from EE look over my curriculum and see if there's any gaps I need to fill? Or anything to prepare advance for? Currently, each row is one semester.

>>10018342
If your school is ABET, your curriculum will have the exact same content as every other EE curriculum in the US.

>>10018181
rotational program?

when using the formula for deformation ( δ = PL/AE ), do I use the original length or the length previous? I'm taking data of deformation caused by loads in intervals of 300g, so if I were to calculate the deformation for 900g do I use the length deformed by 600g or the original length with a load of 0g

Anyone else feel like half of the job postings you find online aren't real jobs? As if they posted them as a joke or something. The amount of applications and literally 5 rejections, the rest just dissappear into the aether. WHERE ARE THESE JOBS SENPAI? Going to have to sign up for TrudeauBucks at this rate.

>>10018435
Previous length, if you're wanting the deformation from 600g->900g. Using the original length only applies if you're deforming from 0 to 900. If it's a linear elastic material, you should expect the deformation from 600g->900g to be a third of the deformation if you did it 0g->900g.

>>10018448
ohh, thank you for the clarification. my partner is sleeping right now for some reason so he couldn't help me, thank you so much!

>>10018342
First 2 years are standard
Electronics II should be required
Controls and DSP would be strongly recommend

>CSc 10200 - Introduction to Computing
>The structure and operation of a computer, concepts and properties of an algorithms and a programming language. Introduction to programming in a modern programming language, such as C/C++. The emphasis is on applications of interest to scientists and engineers
>EE 25900 - Programming for Electrical Engineering: Part I. UNIX and C: UNIX preliminaries, C program

Pretty good. You could self study Computer Organization and Algorithms if you want to pick up some of the CpE skill set as well.

>>10018456
Thank you! I'm going to take Electronics II and DSP as you suggested! As for Controls, do you mean Control & Feedback System or the Control Lab? I'm going to assume that DSP means Digital Signal Proc.

>>10018465
probably both desu

>>10018421
Please elaborate? I'm right now learning about this stuff, googling all over the place
>>10018442
Yeah, such is life. Go to conferences

>>10018297

Incorrect, we have multiple companies beating down our door right now wanting students (ME, CE, EE) right now.

How to not sperg out with presentations?

>>10019407
"Apply online lmao"

>>10019414
Just bee yourself :)

Seriously though, just practice and try not to think too much about it is what I do. Try not to make it a big deal, in your mind try to think of it as your just having a little chit chat. Also recognise that literally everyone gets nervous before presentations, they only learn how to control/hide it.

>>10019464
>Go to career fair as a company
>"How will we be able to tell good candidates from bad ones?"
>"Just say apply online."
>"Let's take their resumes as a formality lmao"

>>10019414
it may be cringey, but video record yourself doing a presentation. watch it, then go back through it.

>>10018163
Starting engineering course next week and there seems to be considerable focus on materials science, in particular practicals. Generally I am fucking atrocious at practicals and get shaky whenever I have to do stuff. Any thing I can do to look cool while I am participating in such? Also what are the practicals likely to revolve around, any examples?

>>10018442
The actual answer is many companies post absurd listings for the following purpose. They will ask for , say,10 years experience for an entry level position. Of course no one qualified applies. And they throw away all the entry level applicants who do apply for not being 'qualified'. Then, after a period of several months when the positions havent been filled, they will go to the gov't and ask for some skilled labor visas so they can sponsor some foreign workers to do the job for 2/3 of the salary and with much worse conditions than what a citizen would tolerate.

This is happening in every western country. Aus, US, Canada, etc. The way around this is to find a way to get clearance (requires citizenship ergo no competition with foreign labor) and apply for jobs that require clearance

Additionally, as a white male, you need to have a connection into a company, or a 3.8 GPA and be on 2 different student councils to be ever considered for an internship or coop.

This is the reality we live in. Everything I've written is factual. This post will get attacked but if you take what I say seriously you will benefit yourself greatly in the long term

I hate dealing with student workers. I pay thousands of dollars in tuition for the privilege of getting access to certain facilities, and when I show up to one and interrupt some student worker on their phone and I ask two questions to learn about what it is I can and can't do they get so pissy at me like holy fuck you'd think I just kicked this dude's baby down a flight of stairs, instead of just asking him questions for 3 minutes

Any chemEs here do/know about that meme ‘bio focus’ path in the major? It seems to me like all that comes out of it is you take some bio courses instead of certain chemE courses and basically just miss out on a chunk of the hard/practical material in the degree.

>>10018163
I almost teased you for the suicide comment earlier but the depression has since kicked in for me.

>>10019909
It's not just that. All the bio jobs for chemEs have shit pay compared to other fields. One of my interviews was at a moderately sized bio company in a high cost area and the pay was far lower (~20k) compared to other jobs in the area. The difference was even larger in lower cost areas too. Perhaps I found a place that was just underpaying people a little bit, but overall you should expect to make less working in bio (and be worked just as hard if not harder).

>>10019565
Bro I went to a career fair where BAE had a booth. The guy there gave me his business card that literally had nothing on it but the company logo and "apply online at [website]" on it. He was taking resumes and throwing them onto a pile without even pretending to look at them.

>>10020665
Alright, thought so. That’s reason enough to completely disregard the chairman when he tries getting me into it.

>>10020696
>>10019565

>>10019614
can't do that, I hate myself

>>10020696
Ouch, that's rough man

>>10021448
Whether you're right or not, you're making yourself out to look massively autistic.

>>10022164
and a failson.

Why does pretty much every uni offer EEE degrees but only half/two thirds do mechanical? Is it because electrical engineering might be easier than mechanical?

>>10022223
only 50% of all universities offer mech programs
nigger what third world hole do you live in

>>10022223
ME is a meme degree nowadays.

Do you guys use pirated shit like matlab to work or do projects?

>>10022223
EE is the hardest engineernig major, so no.

>>10022393
EE is the hardest undergrad major without a doubt. But for some reason all other STEM majors get butthurt when you point it out, even though it's obvious. It's not a competition. A masters in physics is more difficult than anything other masters and I don't see anyone ever get butthut when that's pointed out.

>>10021448
I'm neither straight nor white and haven't managed to get an internship with a 3.8 GPA and decent extracurriculars. The job is fucked and it has nothing to do with companies pretending to want diversity for PR.

>3.3 gpa in mechanical
>good projects
>havent been applying to many jobs even though I graduate
>all my time goes to a grocery store job my parents scold me whenever I mention I wanna quit and studying for a few of my hardest classes

I'm doomed senpai. I wish I never took this path. Didn't even care about money, just wanted to work on something fulfilling but I fell for the meme

>>10022408
yeah true its so fucking hard i have to memorize so much for my ee coursework ughh

>>10022642
heh good luck being a successful EE if all you are doing is memorizing formulas.

New grad EEs are surprisingly dumb at times. We asked one interviewee to draw a simple voltage divider for us. The kid made a "voltage multiplier", very disappointing.

>>10022573
Ask me how I know you’re Asian.

16 months in and still no job

>>10022704
What was the ethnicity and gender of this hire?

>>10022704
Tell us about what the interview for your job was like, boomer.

>>10022573
>gay
>engineer
Checks out

>>10022573
when you hear a company say "diversity" or "under represented minority" what they really mean is black or mexican people.

Intel gives big bonuses for referring URM's so I never submit anyones resume to HR unless they are a black woman, even if i think they are qualified.

>>10022573
should've been born in a 3rd world shit hole so you could ride that h1b train. Poop conductor best job.

>>10018342
>EE
>Has to take liberal arts classes
That is one shit curriculum.

>>10023087
>>Has to take liberal arts classes
Welcome to american undergrad programs

>>10022926
what part of intel are you in where that's the case? i managed to get in as a straight white male into a process engineering position this year. i felt like my rejections at other places were due to my credentials and not race.

>>10022769
nope, hispanic

What’s the easiest engineering degree? civil?

>>10023604
Suicide. They all require a metric fuckton of work regardless.

>>10023604
Common opinion: Civil or manufacturing

Redpill: Depends on what you personally find interesting and what kinds of math/science you're good at

>>10023643
Even if a go to a low ranked uni? Surely the workload for students that achieved Cs n Ds is a lot lower than students that got As n Bs

>>10023695
*Even if I

>>10019464
>>10019565
>>10020696
>>10021471

I'm a managing engineer at a top-5 global engineering firm. Because our HR department is useless and we are extremely understaffed (I'm supposed to be working right now) we have been covering career fairs at universities in our state. I'm going to another one tomorrow evening.

We have three resume piles: call candidate back, hold to see if candidate calls back on his own volition, trash. You get in the first pile if you can speak English clearly, have good interpersonal skills, and have some relevant experience. You get in the second pile if you have everything but the experience. You get in the trash pile if you are a sperg or I can't understand a word you're saying. Also, texts/e-mails aren't calls.

We have to tell people to apply online. Per our HR policies everyone has to apply online to a specific job opening to be hired. But we create the openings and we can make HR follow a certain candidate. It's a lot of work on our part and we need to be motivated to do it, which means candidates have to be a good catch.

Just randomly applying online doesn't do much because our HR department is retarded. They don't know what we need, they just hit on keywords in resumes, and of course they're always looking for (((diversity))). All they do is send us a list of resumes they choose. We have frequently had the specific applicants we want get filtered out of their system, such that if we didn't already know them we'd have never seen their name. So you need to at least meet one of your future coworkers face-to-face and get on their radar.

The bottom line that engineers never want to hear is that you have got to be able to conduct yourself in a social situation and show you are a normal person. It's nice if you are a sperg who excels at the technical side, but we are client-facing and we have to be able to sell our services to clients, which means people skills.

tl;dr listen to your boomer parents.

>>10023695
if it's abet accredited, I'd imagine yes. The volume of work I have to deal with as an EE compared to when I was a math freshman left me blindsided.

>>10023777
>We have three resume piles: call candidate back, hold to see if candidate calls back on his own volition, trash.
So when I'm given a """""business card""""" that has nothing on it except "apply online" how the hell am I supposed to know who to call?

>>10023829
that just means you forgot to give them a firm handshake

>>10023810
Engineering has considerably more work than maths? I didn’t know that. Any reason you switched from Maths to EE?

>>10023829
>He doesn't have a friend that already works there
Don't bother applying lmao

>>10023843
I fell for the engineering meme, that's pretty much it. My school's Math and CS program is the same first year, so I wish I had just stuck with CS.

>>10023777
>we are extremely understaffed
Have you ever considered that this is because you expect candidates to jump through so many hoops? Just fucking hire them. Seriously, what did you have to do to get your first job?

>>10023829

>So when I'm given a """""business card""""" that has nothing on it except "apply online" how the hell am I supposed to know who to call?

>>10023830 but unironically. The business cards keep people moving. I don't want to stand there and talk to one person for half of the available time if they have nothing to offer. Especially at engineering job fairs when the vast majority of candidates are awkward as fuck.

My best advice for job fairs is to ignore the booths that have HR staff, go for the ones that look like they have actual technical people present, and work your magic on them. In engineering it should be pretty obvious which is which and the HR people are going to follow HR policies (e.g., "apply online") which get no one hired. Or skip the job fairs altogether, to be honest, it's not the best use of your time. I went to one for like 30 minutes when I was in school.

>>10023887

>Have you ever considered that this is because you expect candidates to jump through so many hoops?

Here's the "hoops" for you to get an $75k job out of college:

>talk to an engineer without sperging out
>follow up with a call to show you're interested
>fill out an online job application
>attend one or, rarely, two interviews
>show up on the first day

I guarantee you the people on this board (or, well, people in general) spend more time and effort chasing stale pussy every weekend for much less at stake.

>Seriously, what did you have to do to get your first job?

I contacted 63 separate engineering firms in my city. I called everyone I could find a phone number for and showed up in every office that didn't have a lock on the door. Anyone who showed any interest got follow-ups until they said stop. I found engineering societies in the region and attended every lunch meeting they had just to get in front of more people. This was in 2008 at the nadir of the recession. Ten years later I still run into people who remember me as the guy who was hustling to find a job.

>>10023943
>I contacted 63 separate engineering firms in my city.
Wow, must be rough. I have applied to nearly 400 positions. If I'm lucky enough to get an interview, it usually means phone screen(s) + week long take home project + 4-5 hours of getting grilled on technical questions on site.

Fucking 30 year old boomers.

>>10023878
So was your increased workload mostly because of going from 1st to 2nd year or maths/cd to ee?

>>10023952

>I have applied to nearly 400 positions.

Quantity does not equal quality. You can spam job sites all day long but that doesn't mean you're getting good contacts.

You also need to think about job openings the way we think about RFPs for work with clients.

If the time when the RFP is released is the first time you're hearing about it, you've already lost. Someone else out there already found out about the work and positioned themselves to win the work by developing or maintaining a relationship with the client. The RFP is a formality written to award that firm with the work, it's not the time for you to decide to act.

That's how job openings work. With the exception of the "apply online" standing openings, all of our openings are written after the fact in order to hire a specific candidate. That candidate wasn't sending out 400 anonymous and generic applications, that candidate was seeking us out and positioning himself to get a job with us. The people who are applying to that opening are wasting their time, at best they get dumped into the standing position pile for HR to get their busy work in.

You can reee all you like but this is the reality of the situation. If it's not working for you then why are you still doing the same things?

>>10023962
Do you not see the disconnect between
>we are extremely understaffed
and
>applying to our company doesn't actually do anything
?

>>10023887
Did you not read when he said hiring people has to go through a shitty hr department you bitter mechcuck

>>10023958
I wouldn't necessarily say so. Engineering has a metric ton of labs and projects you have to work on concurrently with coursework.

>>10023962
Also re: quality over quantity:

Several times now I've wound up doing multiple weeks of free work for companies that ultimately wound up hiring someone else because they were cheaper. You fags are cancer upon the viability of engineering as a career.

>>10023777
>"Thank you for calling Northrop Grumman how may I direct your call?"
>"UM HI, I WAS CALLING BACK ABOUT JOB NUMBER #58475893939"
>"Hello Anon, we've been waiting for your call."

This is the worst larp I've ever fucking seen. Kill yourself please.

>>10023986

I'm not sure what exactly it is you expect me to do here. We have standing positions, we get resumes from HR, this is what we get:

>low-quality candidates who are spamming resumes
>people who put in resumes months ago and have since found a job elsewhere
>people who aren't even in the right field but just happened to check the resume search algorithm boxes

If it were up to me we wouldn't even have an online application system, I'd just post my e-mail/phone and ask people to contact me directly. But this is what I have to work with. It shouldn't be surprising that I'd prefer to hire people who are willing to take the time and effort to seek out a job instead of just spending five minutes filling out a form and then waiting passively. Who's going to be the more dedicated employee? Who's going to produce quality work?

>>10023993

>Several times now I've wound up doing multiple weeks of free work for companies that ultimately wound up hiring someone else because they were cheaper. You fags are cancer upon the viability of engineering as a career.

I don't know why you're mad at me, I don't work in a field that is commoditized to the point where companies are just finding the cheapest available labor. That shit is for landscapers and entry-level construction. If you're in a discipline that is getting overrun by H-1B drones then you need to re-evaluate your career options. But I'd wager it's not that cut and dry in your case.

>>10024084

>calling the main line of a multinational corporation to inquire about a generic job opening that you applied to after it had already been posted

It's like babby's first human interaction. Go back and re-read my post then formulate a new reply please.

>>10023777
>I'm a managing engineer at a top-5 global engineering firm

"I'm an industrial """engineer""" and I think my advice matters to real engineers."

Just because consulting is booming right now doesn't mean the wheel doesn't turn.

>>10022800
Male, white. Ethnicity shouldn't matter, unless you assume some ethnicities tend to cheat more in classes.

>>10022806
I am not a boomer. My last interview a few years back was a purely technical. Spent about three hours white boarding problems. It was stressful but looking back I enjoyed.

>>10019681
D-does anyone have an answer for this?

>>10024158

>how do I look cool in front of my fellow students
Wear some hip sun glasses and call everyone "Daddio". Why do you care if you look cool or not? The only thing you should care about is understanding the material and being able to probably apply it.

No one else has pre-studied for the "practicals", I assume it is the same thing as labs. If it is a new course that everyone is taking the material SHOULD be NEW to everyone.

Read the provided practical materials and ask the professor or teaching assistant for help if you don't understand things.

>>10024131

I assume "real engineers" are the ones whose work product is apparently so interchangeable that they can be wholesale replaced with pajeets fresh off the boat with no meaningful impact on their company's bottom line.

>>10024174
I care because I don't want to start the first practical with what the professor is saying barely registering in my brain, then hovering around the given apparatus trying to figure out what to do any almost if not actually sending stuff flying and doing most things incorrectly. Practicals make me anxious as heck and I'm a year behind as is it, I don't want to make a bad impression and be seen by them and others as a being someone who isn't remotely interested or only half-concerned with the projects at hand when in fact I am very much consumed by them to the extent where it feels like a life/ death situation - examinations are fine, taking lecture notes is fine, drafting labs and reports, again, fine. But when I have to set stuff up properly it makes me head spin.

>>10023777
Are you a woman by chance?

>>10024210
For lab practicals, you learn with your hands, unless everyone already has experience you will all be in the same boat. If you know what lab equipment will be used, you can always read their manuals. It is okay not to know everything. You aren't a brainlet in a sea of big brained goys.

>someone who isn't remotely interested or only half-concerned with the projects
Show enthusiasm in your group projects. If you don't understand something ask. Volunteers for tasks. An example would be in an EE lab, you could volunteer to construct the circuits and then watch your team mates use an oscilloscope. Then you can ask them if you can try it as well to see if you get the same result.

Everyone graduates at their own pace. No one else knows that you are a "year behind". They are all in the same spot as you are, taking the same classes and practicals.

Just be yourself (lower the autism if you have to) and be willing to learn. Don't be afraid to ask question. We are all going to make it.

I have a systems engineering undergrad degree at my Uni and I'm thinking about going for it. What is /engi/'s opinion on systems engineers? (I am in EEng right now but very tired of all the bullshit stuff we have to learn that we're never going to use anyway.)

>>10024258
Thanks for the kind words, I'll try speaking more though I do worry that I'll come off as trying to overshadow other students or accidentally act needy and unsophisticated. I guess I'll find the medium in due time. Again, hefty thanks for your help.

>>10024280
More useful as a Master's degree than an undergrad one. What bullshit do you hate? As a professional EE, I use everything except three phase circuits and the more advanced math daily.

>>10024314
I enjoy high level math, dif.eq. and physics is okay, but once we got into pure stuff like circuit analysis and logic I just lost my shit. Also our profs are terrible.

What's the best way to talk about a project in an interview? apparently the way I currently do it isnt working too well.

>>10024350
"It was on-time and under-budget"

That's it.

>>10024350
Is it a professional or student project?

If it was a student project, do the following

1. Brief description of the project.
2. Why did this project interested you?
3. Any problems you encountered on the project. How did you solve them? What are your method? What did you learn?
4. What you would change or improve next time?
5. How are the skills your learned transferable to the position you are applying for?

>>10024363
Oof. I should have proofread that.

1. Brief description of the project.
2. Why did this project interest you?
3. What problems did you encounter on the project? How did you solve them? What was your method? What did you learn?
4. What would you change or improve next time?
5. How are the skills your learned transferable to the position you are applying for?

>>10024363
>>10024366
After revising my answer for this question, I think I've hit on all of those points (although I'll still need to make point 5 better) but I think my answer might be too long. Is the person interviewing me going to want a lot of detail or not want me to waste his time?

>>10024372
When I ask about a project I am looking for passion in the project, the difficulty of the project, and your method of problem solving. I am mostly interested in number 3 through 5.

It really depends on who and how the question is asked. If HR is asking they just want something simple, numbers 1 and 5 are the most important.

If you are answers are not interesting then I don't want to hear about it. Remember you are telling a story, it needs to be interesting. You are selling yourself through your technical project. If all you tell me is "I made a robot because robots are cool. I didn't experience any problems. My project was successful." Fucking yawn. Make it as long as it needs to be so that you look impressive. As soon as you start um'ing and pausing you know it is too long. Remember you are the expert on your project, you should know everything you want to say and how best to say it.

If you have a bunch of projects talk about the one most relevant to the position. Then you can mention the other projects you've worked on but they should be on your resume already.

>>10024354
Even after you have a job, this answer is disappointing to hear.

>>10024389
Damn, thanks for the help. The project I plan on talking about during my next interview is a solo project I did rather than a group project. Is that problem at all? I think there might be a "have you ever led a project?" question at some point but if not would it be better to talk about a group project?

>>10024416
Again it should already be mentioned on your resume. If they want to know if you have leadership experience you should show it through the rest of you resume or they will ask you about it.

Talk about the project you are most proud of when they ask you to describe a project. Unless the best project for the position is a different project.

Thanks, anon. I appreciate the help.

>>10024122
be patient, he has autism

>>10024122
>Multinational corporation giving out their HR line to some literal nobody

I'm sure you're the one that's never had any human interaction, let alone interaction at a career fair or hiring event.
Literally everyone corresponds through email. You really expect me to believe that I can call any company and have a phone conversation with the relevant hiring manager with regards to my job application? Or how about the senior engineer? You really think the senior engineer wants to have his phone ring off the hook all fucking day? For follow up on an application where the applicant might be a total shitter and not the one he wants?

It seems to me that you've had some second hand accounts of how hiring goes down and you filled in the blanks and larped all over this thread.
If any phone number is going out, it's a already a set deal. You don't need a separate, "Let's see if John calls us lmao.", pile. So please, fuck off.

>>10024247

White male

>>10024513

>Literally everyone corresponds through email.

That's the point.

>You really expect me to believe that I can call any company and have a phone conversation with the relevant hiring manager with regards to my job application?

You can if you take the time and effort to figure out who the manager is. If you aren't, then you're just another anonymous piece of paper. And again if you're applying to a posted position you're already behind the curve. Be proactive, not reactive.

>Or how about the senior engineer? You really think the senior engineer wants to have his phone ring off the hook all fucking day? For follow up on an application where the applicant might be a total shitter and not the one he wants?

I'd love to get a call from anyone who's willing to show up and work. That way I wouldn't be ignoring my wife and kids all day to do CADD monkey bullshit like I've been doing today. The problem is I rarely do, because it seems the vast majority of engineering graduates have too much anxiety to have a simple conversation over the phone. Just doing that alone would put you ahead of the pack more than obsessing over how you show projects on your resume or some other trivial bullshit.

>If any phone number is going out, it's a already a set deal. You don't need a separate, "Let's see if John calls us lmao.", pile.

You'd be surprised. Again there aren't many people who seem willing or able to do something as simple as make a phone call to someone to follow up on a conversation about a job. We have plenty of otherwise-qualified candidates roll up to the booth who don't show interest beyond that initial contact. I give my business cards (the real ones) out like candy, too. Maybe people don't want to work here or with me, I dunno. But there's an awful lot of people on this board who complain about not finding a job when I know an awful lot of firms looking for engineers of all disciplines.

>>10018163
I keep failing thermalfluids, should I quit?

>>10024799
yes

>>10024566
is this universal or is my Canadian ass going to get a pole rammed up it
I'm not wealthy enough to immigrate to the states

>>10024799
How? That class was one of the easier ones.

What can I do with a master's in solid mechanics?

Sit around and do FEA?

>>10025092
Got sort of burnt out around this time, did well enough with everything else

>>10024566
>the vast majority of engineering graduates have too much anxiety to have a simple conversation over the phone
I don't know whether to be angry at how accurate this is or glad that I am not alone. Either way, I'm thankful for your advice in this thread and your perseverance in the face of the weaponized autism that always seems to read it's head whenever someone comes here with valuable advice.

>>10024158
curl your toes to concentrate the tension there while relaxing the rest of your body. Works like fucking magic

>>10025094
Yep, and slinging spreadsheets

>>10024280
>>10024342
Guys, any more opinions on this?

>>10024295
So this is a different approach from other anons, but consider this: lots of engineering students dislike being the guy who has to do derivations/data entry/the wordy bits of lab reports/ect. Volunteer to do these things while your classmates do the hands on stuff. You get avoid looking like a total sperg, and they get to do as little engineering as possible. WIn-Win-Win, because you're doing all the relevant work

>team leader for senior design project
>team consists of me, one person who's got their shit together but isn't a great student, one person I barely know but who is definitely deep on the shitty side of the spectrum, and one asshole who has contributed nothing for the last two weeks
>me and the person with their shit together have to play tard wrangler for the other two (mostly the asshole who doesn't do anything)
>faculty guidance is severely lacking
>I have absolutely no expertise in field that this project falls under

pls help...

CAREER FAIR soon... anyone have advice? Also would it be autistic to wear black slacks black turtleneck white sneaks to job interview? ChemE and BioE btw

Am i too old to enroll in college for STEM ?

I'm 29 and dropped out a while ago

Does anyone have experience in firearms industry and if so, what is the most beneficial type of degree. I've looked at major companies websites and they call for mechanical, but are there any areas that you would recommend for specialization besides lathe and mill work.

Has any engineering major here successfully switched careers out of school? I graduated with an engineering degree, good grades, etc but I haven't gotten a job after a year so it's time to move on. Should I try accounting? Business analytics?

pulling a 2nd all nighter in a week. set my alarm to get up early on sunday, even went to bed at 8pm sat night. my intention was to get up early and work throughout the morning and afternoon sunday. instead i slept like 20ish hours and woke up around 3pm, so now i dont get to sleep at all lel.

the workloads from my classes are insane. i dont understand how anyone does this and has a social life. all i do when im not studying my dick off is browsing 4chan in a semi-comatose state, or flat out comatose.

>>10022800
I doubt they would hire someone who got that wrong.

>>10024342
You shouldn't be an EE if you do not like the electrical side of it? Do you really need additional opinions? Change your major, systems engineering undergrad is a meme like mechatronics or biomedical. If you like memes do it then. Just keep in mind an ME/EE can do systems work but not vice versa.

>>10018435
it's actually
[math]d\delta = \frac{P(x)}{EA(x)}dx[/math]
You're supposed to use the length at that instant.

>>10020665
Under 20K? You could do better working as a fry cook for McDonalds

>>10024295
I am two years behind you, anon. Relax and just do what you can.

>>10025583
Same boat. I've been trying to land a software job since I've been programming for six years as a hobby, but the interview process tests you on a bunch of CS theory that you wouldn't ever use on the job. So no luck yet.

Fuck man, I just want an engineering interview.

Should I go to a very low ranked school that's still accredited and maybe get a 1st

or a medium ranked school that's also accredited and maybe get a 2:2?

Hey guys. Not sure this is the right place for this stuff, but am I realistically able to get a >$45k engineering job with ONLY a BS in engineering? I did a research program and went to what I consider a pretty good school (basically we have a good engineering program) but I ain't never done an internship and I don't have any six sigma or FE exam certification. is >>10018297 correct? Or do I need to whore myself out to anyone on LinkedIn that went to my school and pray? It seems like I'm only getting interviews for shit that's like $17 hourly technician jobs, and I don't even know if getting one of those will bolster my value to a real engineering job.

>>10023943
Hey manager-anon

Assuming you aren't lying about your position and thoughts for (You)s, you got any tips for the "actually talking to an engineer" step if you're no longer in college? Does your company do career fairs that aren't strictly for undergraduates? Am I just supposed to connect with some rando from your company on LinkedIn that does a job I like and pray that there's an open position?

Any of yall doing a joint EE and ME degree? any of yall regret it?

Is it possible to have two gears of different sizes but equal torque?

I'm going to aim for a robotics engineering degree, but it requires a bachelors in mech e, comp e, or ee, what path should I choose? I was leaning towards ee

>>10024566
So you judge them based on some artificialities as confidence and not by their efficiency. No wonder you suck at getting people to work there.

>>10026508
EE, take some CS classes as well

>>10025480
Not really. There are a lot of "older" students at engineering classes

>>10023087
This is because the vast majority of engineering students are mouthbreathing autists that have never read an actual piece of literature in their lives (I'm assuming you're in this camp) and the university legitimately has to force it on them so they become well-adjusted people that can form a sentence

Help me.
I cannot for the life of me understand what the Radio Communications Slow Fade vs. Fast Fade scale measures that's different from the Flat Fade vs Frequency Selective FFade scale.

Is there any important shit I must know and universities don't teach? Like how to be a good presenter and stuff

>>10026955
universities don't teach you a lot of things, but in order to graduate you have to learn a lot of skills. like how not to have a mental breakdown when youre randomly assigned 80 hours of homework thats due in 48 hours.

everything you do outside of university is a cakewalk compared to all the legalized torture you have to endure as a student.

>>10027078
Try being in a warzone you autist

>>10024389
>Even after you have a job, this answer is disappointing to hear.

whats it like not working in a results driven organization? how you impact the bottom line is job fucking one as an engineer. facebook, google, and amazon aren't actively headhunting me from my current position because i'm "passionate", its because i get shit done. stop filling these kids heads with bullshit.

>>10027106
Oh fuck off boomer. You wouldn't really just say "It was on-time and under-budget." in an interview.

>>10027096
are we going to play the game of 'who has the more unpleasant life experiences'? anon asked a question and i answered. there are people who have harder lives than combat vets. do they go to VA meetings and shit on combat vets? no because that's stupid.

keep quiet, you idiot.

>>10025711
I double this.

(EEng here.)

>>10026446
My friend is doing EEng/Physics double major and he's literally on the verge of becoming an hero.

>>10027164
Im EE. I wanted to do a minor in some liberal arts field I do as a hobby. I literally dont even have the time to do THAT. anyone do double majors with EE and something else is retarded or some 200 IQ savant

>>10027156
Eminem is that you?

>>10027171
Yes, and I double you here. As an EE myself, I also don't have time for anything else and I'm myself wondering how my friend is able to pull that shit off. I guess it comes to him naturally. He also has to time to hit the gym every day and he literally looks like Chad from the meme.

>>10026487
Torque (i.e. moment) is just the force applied at the teeth times the radius of the gear, so a gear of radius r and applied force F would have the same torque as a gear of radius 2r and applied force F/2

>>10027112
Not him, but that's exactly what I'd say, I mean, have some goddamn empathy for managers. Their whole job revolves around getting the people, resources, and organizational structure needed to get stuff done ans turn the company a profit. It's self-centered to just say "I learned a lot" or some other BS. Stop thinking about your own wants and think about what the person you're talking to needs, and you'll have a lot more success.

>>10027178
some people have that CEO gene that only requires them to need 4 hours of sleep to get a full nights rest. that's the only thing i can think of that explains it

>>10027192
Yes, and I also wish I had that fucking gene... Sleep sucks, so much time wasted.

>>10027189
>So it looks like you built an electrical scooter, what can you tell me about that personal project?
It was on-time and under budget.
>Do you have anything else to say about it?
No, that is it.

>So tell me about a project you worked at your previous job,
It was on-time and under budget.
>Do you have anything else to say about it?
No, that is it.

>Stop thinking about your own wants and think about what the person you're talking to needs, and you'll have a lot more success.
No fucking shit, so you tailor your response to the actual job position. Not just "On time under budget". I swear people on 4chan don't know how to talk to people in real life.

>>10026012
Sorry I was unclear, I meant that it was 20k lower than other jobs. It was very easy to tell they were cheap though - every phone call I had with them making sure I was alright with that salary. I told them yes since they were local and I wanted the interview practice for more interesting positions.

>>10026520

>So you judge them based on some artificialities as confidence and not by their efficiency.

I judge them based on the skills they need to work here. It's not all about technical knowledge or whatever the hell "efficiency" is supposed to convey. We need people who can get up in front of clients, people who can sell their services, people who chase work. If you can't be bothered to make a phone call when your career prospects are at stake why would I expect you to do it to win a project?

>>10026272

>you got any tips for the "actually talking to an engineer" step if you're no longer in college? Does your company do career fairs that aren't strictly for undergraduates?

We don't do career fairs outside college, there aren't many to begin with. To be honest I don't think much of career fairs in general, we're just desperate.

What I would do first and foremost is scope out local chapters of engineering societies in your area. There are societies for most disciplines, general and specific. Many of these societies have lunch meetings or other functions where members (i.e., engineers) get together to shoot the shit, eat bad food, and listen to a speaker. All the ones I know of welcome students and non-members, but none ever show up. If you do then you have access to the people working in your field. This is a cheat code, I was kicking myself when I finally got a job and I found out all the people I'd been calling got together once a month for networking and I could have walked right in for $10.

If it exists, you may also want to hit up your college's local alumni association chapter for the same reasons. You may run into your old classmates, or someone who knows them.

As far as LinkedIn goes trying to connect from there alone won't get you far but you should definitely be adding the people you are meeting IRL and staying engaged with them on there.

I'm thinking of doing bioprocess engineering. Is this a good or bad idea?

>>10026261
I have a BS in Electrical Engineering and was hired as a programmer for debugging and tool reasons. Company used C for it's code base. $50k salary, was encouraged to work as much as possible.

After some initial conflict, I was put as the "debug and do whatever else" guy. The initial conflict was the company said they wanted me to study for like a year - I literally didn't know were being serious and was freaking after not being tasked after a month or two.

Eventually got to do stuff, and then oh yeah we're having money issues off you go. Hired back at part-time, paid one month, not paid for next two (I got monthly checks). Their excuse, money flow problems. Note, they also had me putting up fliers for new employees wanted while they weren't paying me. They also gave me shit when I walked out despite them NOT FUCKING PAYING ME FOR TWO MONTHS. Invest in their employees my ass. Owner was dying and instead of getting serious help went to a retreat.

All I had before graduating was a single mechanical-only internship and tutoring (albeit tutoring for six years...).

I can't even get a job now. Had one offer but tested positive for weed after trying CBD oil, and drug test company says it's impossible, I must be a fucking junkie. I want to sue them for fraud because they're saying false things to make money. Company didn't give a shit, even though I was planning to move Friday morning and start Monday, 300 miles from my initial location. Too bad eat a pile of shit.

>>10024566
>>10027342
>normie gets pissy when he outsources the hiring department and refuses to let anyone speak to a hiring manager
>"just shake their hand that's what I did :^) "
Do you actually believe the shit you say or do you know you're lying? I've applied to more than 60 jobs in the past year, and literally none will respond to direct emails or phone calls. That's even if the company has ANY direct line to the hiring process. Usually they're outsourcing it to referral agencies.

>>10026520
He's just shitposting. Companies will put shit like #3 requirement here on an application then just hire someone's son who cheated their way through school. They don't give a single fuck who's qualified and not.

>>10027342
>We need people who can get up in front of clients, people who can sell their services
oh so another "sales" brainlet position? No thanks

>>10027178
American degree right? It's really easy to double major when the degree takes 3 years and you have to take really few classes.
Try double majoring EE here with anything alse, the EE degree alone takes 6 years (yes, you read that right).

>>10027178
More than half the class was caught cheating in an EE class of mine, and they did nothing. I reported MS students cheating on midterm while the only TA left the room and the uni swept it under the rug. Multiple profs say "homework is groupwork just copy from your friends." Let's not count the TA's (especially Asian) who'll give you points off and can't answer why.

I was literally told by the director for my program he hadn't heard of the Ethics complaint line they introduced until he heard my report come down from above. Of course that midterm cheating result in them asking the prof who wasn't there, and the TA who left the room, if anyone cheated. That was it. I didn't even hear anything until I reported students for cheating again the next semester. University at Buffalo, NY. Cheat constantly, get away with it.

>>10027394
>Eventually got to do stuff, and then oh yeah we're having money issues off you go. Hired back at part-time, paid one month, not paid for next two (I got monthly checks). Their excuse, money flow problems. Note, they also had me putting up fliers for new employees wanted while they weren't paying me. They also gave me shit when I walked out despite them NOT FUCKING PAYING ME FOR TWO MONTHS. Invest in their employees my ass. Owner was dying and instead of getting serious help went to a retreat.
Dude, they literally whored you. They saw that you're a beta-cuck and saw that as an opportunity to use a poor guy. You need to run the fuck away from the company as far as possible even if they are one paycheck late.
>Had one offer but tested positive for weed after trying CBD oil
If you keep living like that you will never get a job. Go hit the gym, get some healthy diet for yourself, get some good hobby, keep searching for a job, don't drink, and don't do shit. You'll be alright, buddy.

>>10027480
Where is "here"? Could you be a little bit more specific? Europe? Asia?

>>10027496
I tried CBD oil because I have discs that are less than half what they should be and spine inflammation. Why is it anyone who lives easy is a judgemental piece of shit.
>brother had his discs REPLACED at my age, sister didn't and is getting nerve damage and twitching
>eh, just stretch it'll be fine

>>10027172
fuck off rotc kiddie

>>10027484
>Cheat constantly
so that
>until I reported students for cheating again
douchebags like you would report me? No thanks.

>>10027189
>have some goddamn empathy for managers.
LMFAO

>>10025291
can you elaborate on that?
what would the spreadsheets be used for?

>>10027508
Eh, is it really that difficult to provide them with necessary papers and proofs that you take stuff for therapeutic reasons?

>>10027513
You missed the part where even after explicitly catching more than half a class cheating, they did NOTHING. We're not talking a 6 person class. We're talking more than 100. Not "we're learning from homework but trying" cheating, full on "a FALSE answer was posted on chegg and more than half the class copied it without knowing it was false".

I was clearly the only person to ever use the ethics line, because the director of my department hadn't heard of it.

>>10027516
I did. I sent them tests from BOTH rheumatology clinics, picture of my bottle of CBD oil and the site I got it from. No exceptions no retests. The drug company doing the testing even told them it was impossible that I could have THC in my system from CBD.

Meanwhile, my brother applies to a Federal job and they ask him beforehand if he's taking CBD because they've had a lot of people come up positive.

>>10027508
any job that drug tests its engineers, isn't a job you want. one of the perks of being a white collar professional is not having to put up with blue collar bullshit like that.

>>10027533
That dude you're responding to seems too retarded to get one of those jobs anyways. He should've explained his situation to the company that was hiring him before he took the drug test.

>>10027412
>more than 60 jobs in the past year

>>10025416
Get emails out, talk to lots of people in the faculty BY EMAIL. Probably the only reason I got a passing grade for my senior project was because I was constantly leaving tracks in email and office visits complaining about my project mates. As it got towards the end my project mates were flat out lying about everything they did. 1/3 of them didn't pass that semester according to their linkedin, the second only started a job after this last spring, the third hasn't updated theirs since spring 2017. I hate them all beyond measure.

>>10027555
Note, that was only for the weeks I was on unemployment. 4/week min. Threw out 4/week at the first month of layoff, then 4/week since start of July. Still applied to some in-between when I was part-time.

And I have applied to 10-15 out of state, including ones my sister could fast-track, because she works privately with Parsons.

>>10027584
>60 apps over a year
>10-15 out of state

dude, you aren't even getting exposure to a whole digit percent of the jobs you qualify for. engineering is a global profession and one of the expectations is portability, especially for younger guys.

>>10027412

>lol I can't believe you really think your own personal experience is representative of reality! here, listen to MY personal experience to find out how it really is!

I don't understand why people here are so hostile towards some simple advice. If you're firing off applications and getting nothing to show for it, why wouldn't you consider changing your approach?

>>10027478

>oh so another "sales" brainlet position? No thanks

If you want to make money as an engineer then you need to have both management (people and projects) and business development skills. It's not just "sales" any more than the technical side is just punching numbers in a calculator. It's great that you want to be the engineering wizard the company keeps in its basement but there are only so many of those positions to go around, which should be pretty obvious given the number of people who are convinced engineering is a meme.

>>10027612
>>10027622

Quit giving advice to this guy, he only wants pity. Fuck him.

tl;dr: employers have turned into spoiled brats and engineering is no longer a viable career

>>10027622
>>10027641
We're hostile because you're confirming our suspicions that you literally can't get a job without an inside contact/nepotism.

>>10027622
I've attended job fairs. I've directly asked people over the phone and in email when they are available. I have GONE TO COMPANIES and asked if they had positions available. I have literally had an interview for programming in exactly the languages and skills they asked for, talked for an hour and a half, was told I was a great candidate, BUT THEY WANTED A TECHNICAL WRITER. Then they tell me they'll talk back with some advice and pass things back to the referral agent. They don't say anything back, call them, nothing. Contact referral agent, says they'll get back next week after a vacation. Reply from company to agent was "they said you wore a polo shirt to the interview" (I had a suit and long-sleeved plain shirt).

People in hiring can't do their fucking jobs AT ALL.

>>10027515
Calculating loads, stresses, displacements, etc. So many spreadsheets.

t. aerospace stress engineer

>>10027648
>We're hostile because you're confirming our suspicions that you literally can't get a job without an inside contact/nepotism.

What if I told you that I declined employee referrals from my friends with engineering positions for fear that I would get imposter syndrome and got a job offer at a company that none of my friends or family has ever worked at?

You aren't getting a job because you have a shit personality, resume, or you didn't go to an accredited university.

>>10027730
You're lying on the internet. Congratulations.

On this episode of /Engi/, Shitters. Will they ever get good? Stay tuned and find out.

>>10027730
Says the person who said you have to know someone on the inside.

>you have a shit personality, resume, or you didn't go to an accredited university
Well let's see here
>shit personality
Even if that were true, they wouldn't be able to tell since they never even do an interview.
>resume
I've posted my resume before and everyone said it looks very good.
>didn't go to an accredited university
Now you're just trying to rationalize a fucked up job market. Of course it was fucking accredited.

I just applied online lol

>>10027757
>Says the person who said you have to know someone on the inside.
Nice assumption, but you're wrong. I'm:
>>10027648
>>10027551

>>10027749
Kek, what makes you say that? I guess I'll stop posting here if this general turns into a circlejerk of self-pity, and where people will believe anything that allows them to continue their circlejerk.

>>10027785
Same. I was getting 1 interview for every 10 applications I submitted, no cover letters, no "tailoring my resume" (aka fucking lying), no calling people.

>>10027787
>I'm:
What did he mean by this?

>>10027799
I misquoted, these are me:
>>10027641
>>10027551

>>10027787
Please do stop posting here. You are shit posting and it is not good for anyone.

>>10027785
>>10027787
I challenge both of you to LARP as a fresh graduate and apply to entry level jobs. I want to see how far you get.

>>10027861
>year of work
>apply for literally Entry Level Engineer job
>0 years required, we love new graduates!
>sorry we were looking for someone with more experience

>>10027868
>two years of work
>apply for literally Entry Level Engineer job in a different, but related, field
>sorry we were looking for someone fresh from college
Wish I was kidding, it's a crazy world

>>10027757
I've been in every one of these threads and have critiqued every resume so far.

So far every the have been absolute shit. Especially Pizza boy anon. Pizza boy anon I hope you are well and that you took our advice. I know you will make it.

>>10027078
>>10027156
>everything you do outside of university is a cakewalk compared to all the legalized torture you have to endure as a student.
>are we going to play the game of 'who has the more unpleasant life experiences'?

Hypocritical cunt.

>>10027342
Didn’t know engineering chapters existed. I’ll see if I can find any of these “open networking events” you speak of- thanks anon!

>>10027861
>I challenge both of you to LARP as a fresh graduate and apply to entry level jobs. I want to see how far you get.

Challenge accepted. Give me your most mediocre resume submissions /Engi/.

>>10028669
Let's go with something really average and representative of the typical engineering student, even if most of the people here are more qualified than that:
>3.2 GPA
>Meme State University
>your choice of either 2 years of Formula SAE OR a summer internship at a mom and pop business
>senior capstone project was a dildocopter

Mechy here. Got my first career fair tomorrow morning. Any tips?

Funny career fair story from last night. I had a guy come up and meet me and my co-worker, outgoing, seemed to have the right stuff. Today he e-mails me a follow-up except he calls me by my co-worker's name several times in the e-mail. My work e-mail is firstname dot lastname at company dot com. Details, kids.

>>10027648

>We're hostile because you're confirming our suspicions that you literally can't get a job without an inside contact/nepotism.

No one said anything about nepotism. I'm talking about straight-up cold-calling people. The guy who gave me my first job talked to me on the phone twice and met me in person once for an explicit non-interview before sending me an offer letter.

When I was a couple of months in he showed me in Outlook where he was still getting 4-5 e-mails per week from people looking for a job just like I was. The only difference between the e-mail I sent him and the e-mails everyone else sent is that I said I'd follow up with a call, and I did.

>>10028570

>Didn’t know engineering chapters existed. I’ll see if I can find any of these “open networking events” you speak of- thanks anon!

Since you were nice, if you tell me what your discipline is, I'll find organizations for you. Here's two to start on, find your state's chapter of these two:

https://www.acec.org/

https://www.nspe.org/

>>10029575
just kill yourself now.

>>10029367
fuckin' LOL. thats better than the resume i got my current job with.

>whopping 3.0 GPA, 2.8 Major GPA
>Meme State University
>2 internships, first one was mom n pop
>senior project was some PVC contraption for starving african kids to make food pellets for their livestock.

>>10029616

This is me except 2.65 GPA (3.0 in major) and I went to the University of Meme

>>10023777
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>>10029616
Fucking boomer. Kys

>>10029658

>>10029660
Congrats, your post made me think you were the same cringy boomer LARPer who want us to give a NICE AND FIRM HANDSHAKE

>>10029667

No, that was me, but your tears are delicious all the same.

>>10029669
>this is the people deciding either you're hired or not based on your social skills

>>10029676

>these are

Writing skills count as well

>>10029667
you seemed to have missed my most salient post >>10027750

>>10029667
>cringy
There has been good advice given here. Do you like being unemployed?

>I don't want advice from the people that hire new grads. STFU Boomers!
lmao

where my AE chads at

>>10029818
God I wish I can work in Anaheim Electronics

Which engineering has the best job prospects?

>>10030039
Software engineering by a significant margin.

>>10019414
Always know the first few lines of your presentation by heart. If you get nervous that way you get the ball rolling.

I make $27 an hour pippeting liquid from one place to another working at american red cross in St. Louis

biology B.S. with a 3.3 GPA

>>10029575
be prepared to spend 50 minutes standing in line shoulder to shoulder with indian and chinese international students before giving your speech to a fortune 500 company representative, only to be told to apply online no matter how poorly or well you do. where you will not be hired as an intern under any circumstance unless you are a female or hispanic/black.

my advice: find non-fortune 500 companies to intern for and look for ones that only pull from career fairs and dont take online applications for interns. print out your resume and don't lie about your gpa and prepared to be rejected if you are a white male with a gpa under 3.9

>>10030284
lmao I had no problem getting internships from my school's career fair as a white goy with a gpa 3.2. Why are you projecting?

>>10030496
I had one booth literally tell me that a GPA like that would only qualify me for service technician work.

>>10030555
What does 3.7 get me?

>>10018456
>and DSP would be strongly recommend
Interesting! It is not that long ago I heard the DSP job market had imploded.

>>10030496
>relaying anecdotes is psychological projection

imagine being this retarded for a moment.

>>10028255
Pizzanon here

I went to a job fair yesterday that my alma mater does every semester because I knew there would be certain a company there where I could be guaranteed an interview. My interview was two hours ago. This was the third time I interviewed with them. I guess knowing the questions ahead of time as well as writing down my responses and rehearsing them beforehand helped because this time around I was offered a job on the spot.

I got a job doing weapons engineering with a master's in the bank.

>>10030918
How long ago did you graduate?

>>10030941
I graduated in May, 2017. 3.05 GPA, no internships.

>>10030918
> knowing the questions ahead of time as well as writing down my responses and rehearsing them

Shitters take note, this is what hustle looks like.

EE student here. Do people even need to solve circuits? It feels so pointless. I’m sure there are programs that can do this shit for you if you were to go out “in the real world”

>>10031128
There absolutely are programs but you still need to know what's going on or why certain shit is happening

>>10031131
Isn’t the why part covered in Electricity and magnetism for physics? Because all im learning is how to simplify circuits to make them easier to solve.

>>10030946
Is this your first engineering job?

>>10031128
>>10031133
The computer program lets you model large systems but you still need to know how to solve by hand to validate boundary conditions and make sure the solution set is correct. Often times your company isn’t going to spring for the software and you are going to cobble together your own “program” in excel.

Shit, that’s basically what PipeFlo and EasyPower are.

>>10031166
Yes.

To the people who can’t find jobs after college:
Why should someone hire you? What have you done as an undergrad that would persuade someone to add you to their company?

My favorite part about being an EE student is the total absence of all free time. I really enjoy that, coupled with the constant sleep deprivation and anxiety, mixed with the never ending series of labs and assignments that I literally don't have the time to complete unless I don't eat or sleep for 48 consecutive hours

>>10031449
Literally never had to deal with that, only EE student I knew that had to pull a few all-nighters was employed long hours for an on-campus job.

>>10031449
stop taking 18 credits. try 12 instead.

>>10031373
Shut the fuck up, boomer.

There are more than enough reasons to hire us, but the game is rigged.

Here's a few reasons to hire someone: his relative works there, he's an H1B visa holder they can pay a pittance to, he's a woman.

>>10030946
Congrats my dude, just try not to get anyone killed

Oh wait

>>10030918
Pizzanon I am so proud of you. I've been worried, glad to see you continued to try and finally made it. Does it have anything to do with rocketry like you wanted?

Welcome to the defense industry bud!

>>10031599
Just apply to defense then you fucking shitter. It is a white man's game because of clearance.

>only everyone's relatives work there or they are women
Completely false.

So why not defense? They are always hiring UTC, Boeing, Lockheed, Raytheon, Rockwell Collins, Northrup, they are all hiring with a bunch of new grad reqs open. What is your gpa/work experience?

>>10031599
>It can't be my shitty attitude that keeps me from finding a job, it must be literally anything else!

>>10031686
It can't be my attitude that keeps everyone from telling truth.

>>10018321
so red and yellow

>>10031690
>Hitler was right
>Hitler did nothing wrong
>Joe only seems like a big guy because Helene lets him
>"Loyalty" means loyalty to me
>etc...

>>10031670
lmao thanks, bro. It's a rotational program like a lot of defense companies do, so I'll likely see a bit of rocketry in there.

>>10031671
>Just apply to defense then you fucking shitter. It is a white man's game because of clearance.

Do not do this, they will send you a conditional offer to you and 100~ people and then remove the offer the moment 1 in those 100 people gets the proper clearance.

>>10031720
Any company that really wants you will get you an interim clearance but a lot of companies will fire you if you don't get your clearance within a year of being hired.

>>10031725
They don't hand out interim clearances like candy anymore, boomer.

>>10031729
I guess you are right, I am a boomer now. Obviously they don't hand them out to everyone, especially low GPA no experience goyims but again.

>Any company that really wants you will get you an interim clearance
>Any company that really wants you
>company that really wants you
They still do give them out, just to their truly desired candidates.

I always wonder if the guys who complain about not finding jobs on /sci/ are the same ones complaining about roasties on /pol/.

>>10031731
Interim clearance processing time takes far longer than they use to, and the denial rate for interim clearance is close to 25-30% now, so they don't make HR spend the effort of getting someone interims anymore.

>>10031746
Why are you arguing with me? Obviously we both work in defense and our personal experiences differ. Almost half of our new hires get interim clearances. Sure they can start the day after they are hired but after a few months they are in the door.

>>10031752
Can't start the day after they receive an offer*

Just checked the sci wiki and there’s no civil engineering textbooks, is it because it is combined with the mechanical & aerospace engineering?
On a side note, if I want to cover undergrad mechanical engineering, which textbooks should I go over?

>>10031752
>Why are you arguing with me?
Well because of things like this:
>Almost half of our new hires get interim clearances.
You're implying that DoD and it's contractors are an easy way in, but the process is way harder now than it was for you.

>>10031587
>18 credits
Diff guy but I can see why you’re suggesting this. My second & third year classes as suggested by curriculum is fucking ballsdeep no sleep. Is there a reason why you would choose only 12 instead of 15? This is a stupid question but why wouldn’t you try to graduate on time via max credits available per semester?

>>10031731
>>10031719
>>10031670
Hey defense anons, what is the situation with weedlmao and getting jobs? I'm under the impression you cannot do it for 2 years or else you can't get cleared. I see so many jobs in that industry but never apply to them for that reason. I've done really well in school (masters/GPA/internships blah blah) and actually worked with one of the big contractors before, but I know FT position is more stringent. Also is the phrase "private industry is faster and more innovative than defense" a meme? It seems that major technical breakthroughs start in defense, like the Internet. Just want to hear your two cents. Thanks.
>t. aspiring Boomer

>>10031764
How about you go read how the whole conversation started? The kid was complaining about all the minorities taking his job. Since that is his "reason" for being unemployed, defense takes care of his minority issue. I mean obviously he is unemployed for other reasons but if he truly thinks minorities are the reason his option to avoid those candidates is defense.

I am not saying it is easy, sorry my department pushes for interim clearances. I never said haha xd anyone can get an interim., just send in an application.

>>10031762
>if I want to cover undergrad mechanical engineering, which textbooks should I go over
calculus, physics, ODEs, statics,dynamics, mechanics of materials, thermodynamics, fluid dynamics, heat transfer, mechanical vibrations, numerical methods

>>10031772
And by minority I mean H1B holders like the anon was bitching about throughout this entire thread.

>>10031772
>>10031786

I'm not disagreeing with you on that, but it should be noted that most contractors are ruthless in their hiring process. Especially since DoD is extremely backlogged with clearance applications.

>>10031766
>on time
there is no such thing as on time, that time table is arbitrary. it's more important to learn the material, get good grades, and maybe actually enjoy yourself in college before you are forced out into the job market. graduating in 4 years with a 3.2 GPA < graduating in 5 with a 3.7 GPA. don't fuck yourself out of grad school, don't fuck yourself out of performance based scholarships, don't fuck yourself out of doing cool shit like clubs, travel, and personal projects.

>>10031762
pic related then your choice of fluids, thermo, heat transfer, and machine design.

>>10031771
It all depends on how much and often you smoked weed. I've had college friends who have smoked received and be denied clearances. A quick google search should be able to give a better answer. I would imagine if you are an active user they will disqualify you.

As for the innovation question, it really depends on your program. There is a lot of legacy stuff that must be maintained for obsolescence/more expensive to replace. There are also cutting edge RF, navigation, communication, etc programs as well. Both sides can be really innovative. One of the main differences in my eyes is that Defense contractors must meet a lot of strict MIL standards. Your components must also meet strict standards. We have whole teams that work on certifying and verifying FPGAs/CPUs/ASICs/Complex COTS components.

Additionally in defense products are expected to last for long periods of time, 20+ years generally. In the commercial electronics industry products change every few years in order to stay competitive.

>>10031801
>We have whole teams that work on certifying and verifying FPGAs/CPUs/ASICs/Complex COTS components.
Not him but do you work with the DLA on that?

>>10031373
Won multiple engineering design competitions, cross-trained in software/computing, have specialized research training in optimization algorithms (very valuable in engineering).

>>10031690
>>10031693

>>10031807
It really depends on who the customer or the project is. Our management and the customer (army, navy, air force, etc) will negotiate compliance for military standards.

They are part of the DOD, I couldn't really tell you which group in the DOD checks compliance. I always assumed it was DISA. I've never been a part of a project qualifying a component. I use what they qualify for my projects. We also have our own reviewers before we even submit to the DOD, I've worked with them a few times but our reviewers are the ones who deal with the DOD.

>>10031791
Fuck, you’re right.
Thank you.

>>10031797
Is there a specific order or all at the same time. I’ve also heard about Hibbler and his books on static/dynamic, would you suggest those as well?

Will /engi/ ever come together and create a revolutionizing thing?

>>10031854
hibbler is good if you like examples. hartog's treatment is brief and conversational. read mechanics first then its dealers choice. i liked hibblers fluids book.

>>10031857
>working for free
>collaborating with strangers on anything that can be monetized

lmao

>>10031857
Who here /pugetsound/?

>>10031862
>working for free
might sound revolutionary, but some people like working on things for fun.

>>10031879
let me know when you find that guy because i got some more "fun" stuff for him to work on.

>>10031599
It was a genuine question. Why are you so mad?

>>10031831
I don't get it. So why don't you have a job? Is it because you're not a minority aka white?

>>10018163
-see someone depressed
-take them to the bay

>>10022704
I don't understand. Did you literally just want him to give you some resistors? Voltage followers? Why is "voltage multiplier" in quotes, or what did he produce?

There's an EE graduate student in my class who works at microsoft because he wants to review before going to grad school.
He told me that he's going there for CS because basically everything is coding now. H said all he does is C++. What the fuck? I'm an EE student. Am I fucked? Does matlab count as coding? I happen to really like matlab and barely did C++ like 2 years ago and never touched it again.

>>10031902
>I don't get it. So why don't you have a job? Is it because you're not a minority aka white?
Fuck man, you tell me.

>>10031993
>C++
*wheezes*

Disclose or don't disclose that I'm white on google application?

>>10033287
You deserve to be gang raped regardless if you choose to work for them.

>>10033287
Race is a social construct. Nobody can tell you what you are.

>>10033306
No one can tell a white guy he’s not white?

>>10031917
It was a voltage source and two resistors, you know the voltage divider that everyone first learns. When asked what the voltage was across one of the resistors, he gave a voltage 10 times greater than the input voltage.

>>10030061
>pipetting liquid
That's why I went into bioinformatics my friend.

>>10033398
Not surprising, some people can skate by any degree just from riding curves and getting carried by their friends.

>>10033293
This tbqh

Sorry for cross posting but >>10033663
What was your first beginner jobs anons?
would you recommend a apprenticeship for CNC machinery or something else to understand the basic workings of everything?

>>10033666
>a apprenticeship for CNC machinery or something else to understand the basic workings of everything?

yes. i did tool pathing in GibbsCAM for 3 months and it was great.

>>10018297
This>>10019407
you just have to look around everywhere you can online and in campus resources, and you would have to be open to relocating of course if you're super desperate

Civil here with some words of advice: local government city engineering is a pretty cushy position

>8 hour workdays
>Only like 4 hours of real work
>Rest of time is spent shitting around or eating
>Government benefits, state retirement and 457 plan
>Spend most of my time laughing at local consultant engineers' shitty design plans

Pretty nice stuff. If you're looking to get challenged though, probably wouldn't recommend it. On the bright side, I think it'd be a relatively decent starter position though (Considering most companies nowadays request construction management experience, whereby being a city engineer is about 50/50 on design and management)

>>10018168
Literally no excuse to fail the FE exam. If you know how to ctrl+F, you can make it through.

FUCK EVERYTHING ABOUT CIRCUITS AND ELECTRICITY

>>10033936
Oh, anon, you can't imagine how much I can relate to you.

>>10033944
WHAT THE FUCK IS A MUXER I HAVE A MIDTERM NEXT WEEK WHY DID I PICK THE MOST AUTISTIC MAJOR

>>10033811
What did you do after the 3 months?

>>10033936
What's so bad about it? It's literally write out Kirchhoff's laws and some system of equations (which matrices on your calculator do). Anything more complicated just requires some other substitutions when it gets to capacitors and inductors, then possibly differentiation equations, but you wouldn't need any of that in an intro course since you look at the simple cases.

>>10033977
>what’s a mux
This is literally covered in a 1st year 1st semester class. Why are you in school if you aren’t going to pay attention? I can’t wrap my head around a student who doesn’t try.

>>10034112
>a student who doesn’t try.
I would have more time to pay attention to the lectures if I wasn't literally awake for 36 hours at a time doing work on the pre/post labs for the circuit analysis class

do software engineers count as engineers

>>10034120
Excuses. There’s no way this happens ever to a student for 1 class

>>10034125
Sure if you can pass the professional engineering exam. I don't know if that's a thing in the states though

>>10026446
I did it. I'm very happy with the material I covered and my experiences, at least, but I'm not doing too well in the job search. Plenty of that is my fault, and I do find jobs in both ME and EE that are good fits, but I do feel like the bulk of jobs --- HVAC, construction, power systems, software engineering --- which are perfectly reasonable paths for people in one major or the other are positions which I would feel disingenuous applying for and underutilized if I got.

I think it's probably still a good thing for my career trajectory, and absolutely a good thing for my own ability to advance my skills.

>>10031854
Highly recommend Crandall et al. instead of Hibbeler for dynamics.

I didn't use Hibbeler much for dynamics, but I remember the statics/mech of materials books as literally just a list of examples. One of my least favorite books.

>>10034125
Yes, but software engineering is very different from software development.

If you aren't working with embedded or control systems you probably aren't doing software engineering as defined by ABET.

>>10034128
What's your major and GPA? Dying to know

>>10034125
Depends on your country. They apparently do in Canada for example.

>>10034217
EE 3.40

>>10034095
went back to school. it was a summer internship.

>>10034120
see
>>10031587

There’s a google software engineering giving a talk in my uni, anyone want to give me questions to ask him if you have any?

>>10035013
Nothing important from the talk other than him shilling that software engineers does everything on their own and shit.

mechE over chemE is like picking game of thrones over a nice comfy match of dota.

>>10035381
>Dota
>comfy
Pick one.

>>10035444
In this hellish nightmare, it’s a damned solace.

>>10035444
what if after death we just relive our life in an even more long drawn out pain?

>>10023604
Industrial or Architectual.

Civil can get fairly ridiculous if you decide to go either environmental or structural routes

>>10026446
One of the smartest dudes I ever met was doing this when I went to college. He was fucking scary smart, the course material was legit trivial for him. He picked up a masters in math after he busted out the two undergrad degrees. He’s working on fusion stuff now.