/sci/ - Science & Math

yep. The positives outweigh the negatives.

yes

for n=2; 100% of /sci/ admires ol' Musky.

>>10005504
and those two will be sure to pick up their tesla brand booty shorts and thigh high sockboots by next thursday when the offer expires

put me down for a like as well, n=3

what confidence level are we aiming for with this survey anyways

>>10005485
For me, he used to be just another billionaire profiting off the system by stealing our tax money, like all billionaires, so I did not much care for him. Then he came out as being fucking redpilled as shit. Now I know for a fact that he will be the one to take us to mars because you need to be redpilled to reach the red giant.

>>10005525
>stealing tax money
that's called being contracted by the government for services.
>but muh Tesla loan-
that was paid back in advance, with interest
>but the $7,500 EV credit-
that was already in place.

Elon has long had the opinion that there should be no incentives, for any company. No subsidies for oil, dairy, anything. But, that negative externalities need to be paid for by the offending organizations.

>>10005528
>that's called being contracted by the government for services.
Kek, absolute blue pill. Elon would spit in your face. Elon knows what he is doing, and anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows. And as I said, I no longer see a problem with it now that I know he is /myguy/.

>>10005485
Yes. Until other billionares or whatever figure with power decides to change the status quo for the better, Elon's still got my hopes and dream.

>>10005536
larry page gets an honorable mention, since when he dies all of his $ is going to Elon.

>>10005489
>negatives

such as?

>>10005548
his self-proclaimed memewar (his words, not mine) on twitter get some normies in a huff, which harms the overall optics of his ventures.
Other than that, they're really nothing concrete that I'd say is a negative. Well, his ideas for a martian government are a bit odd.

>>10005558
what about dating grimes?

>>10005558
Elon is not the first space guy to have some interesting ideas on how to run a Martian government.

>>10005568
>negatives
not in my book. It did indirectly reveal to the world that he has a big dick, from Azelia's texts

>>10005568
So what? Women are just objects used to elevate your status and pleasure your penis. Grimes is just his newest fleshlight. In two months he'll get another one. I don't get what the big deal is.

>>10005580
I think Grimes has already left him, as of a few weeks ago

>>10005538
Right. Background investors are nice and all, but they're not the one that drives and one with the idea.

>>10005485
Let me guess, you're not white?

>>10005534
>>10005580
OP, If you're such a raging idiot, I can tell which posts are yours simply by how retarded they are. This is literally /pol/ tier posting. Why not just go there?

>>10005598
>This is literally /pol/ tier posting.
As the saying goes, it takes a /pol/tard to know a /pol/tard.

So please get the fuck back to your shithole board.

>>10005598
literally neither of those posts are mine you nigger

this one is though
>>10005507

>>10000000

>>10005580
this but unironically

>>10005485
I do, AMA. I don't think he's a top mind of our time (in terms of raw intellectual power), but I do admire his lively business ventures and his persistence in turning visions into reality.

Seems like a bit of a faggot for parroting the greentard memes but he's based in commiefornia so there could be reasons different from retardation. In the period of post-apollo pre-spacex, near-century plans for human presence in space were objectively very dim and he changed that. The butthurt about his rocket company around the world is just a nice side effect.

>>10005485
I would say I do, but he's really just a man who accidentally became a multi-billionaire. He has the same thoughts and wants as us and likely doesn't even really know what to do with his money.
He is obviously smarter than the average person but he certainly isn't the smartest man alive. I think people finding wealth and riches through technological innovation is so much more satisfying and noble than some jewbag banker who doesn't actually contribute anything to the world.

>>10005489
Imagine how depressing the future of space exploration would look right now if SpaceX never existed.

>>10005485
He gets shit done, unlike yourself

>>10006238
Well Blue Origin would still be around at least.

>>10006260
Maybe one day they will manage to build an actual rocket.

>>10006238
We'd have way less CGIs, that's for sure. Beyond that, we would have a shitty kerosene rocket less. So not very much depressing.

>>10005485
this nigga literally made surfboards with one of the most ambitious surfboard manufacturers in the business
fuck yes I like him

>>10006275
>Yes tax paying idiots continue to fund our billion dollar expendable solid fuel rockets

>>10006300
Everything except for the fuel tank, unlike with the shitty kerosene rocket, was actually reused countless times in the STS. There were only 6 Orbiters that were ever built. How many shitty kerosene rockets were built until now?

>>10005485
>he "admires" any attention whore businessman
>he "admires" anyone alive
and that's why you'll always be losers

>>10006310
What do you have against kerosene rockets? Russian rocket engines, which many consider the best in the world nearly all use kerosene; kerosene is a far superior fuel for first-stages than hydrogen, which is clearly shown by how nearly all of the hydrogen first-stage engines to date have been sustainer engines, with the majority of the thrust coming from solid rocket boosters.

>>10006310
lel ok thanks for your opinion ULA

>>10006179
>accidentally
ok

>>10006300
Solid rockets are proven reliable design that can readily be adapted for the noble goal of protecting the public from foreign and terrorist threats.

This is in stark contrast with the dangerous chemically polluting liquid rockets.

>>10005485
Yes. Reusable rocketry is unironically the best thing to happen in spaceflight since 1969.

>muh reusable rockets
>go through 49 first stages and 61 second stages in 61 launches
>meanwhile space shuttle
>5 orbiters for 135 missions

top kek, soibois never learn

>>10006310
>Everything except for the fuel tank, unlike with the shitty kerosene rocket, was actually reused countless times in the STS.

Does not matter, it was still the most expensive launch vehicle ever made.

>>10006332
>5 orbiters for 135 missions

Stripped and reconstructed by an army of engineers over many months between every flight. So reusable!

>>10006336
Yes, because reusability is a meme. Elon knows this, too, which is exactly the reason why SpaceX is not really reusing the rockets, only barely enough so they can feed the memes. Paying employees in memes instead of money is an integral part of SpaceX's business strategy.

>>10006343
>rocket gets reused n times
>reusing the rocket n+1 times is surely impossible, just trust me!

you wont be fleecing US taxpayers for much longer, Boeing shill

>>10006343
>Yes, because reusability is a meme.

Rapid reusability isnt. Hence why Musk has mentioned things like 24 hour turnaround goal.

>>10006347
He also said he is going to reuse the block 5 within 1 week. How long did it actually take? 4 months. So fuck off soiboi-shill, reusability is a meme.

>>10006327
kekd

Reminder not to reply to the guy who shows up in every thread and calls people "soibois" but he doesn't even know how to bypass the word filter lmao.

>>10006351
>He also said he is going to reuse the block 5 within 1 week.

And he will.

>How long did it actually take? 4 months.

2 months is their fastest turnaround time. It will go down further. The clock is ticking, LM shill..

if soiboi butthurt is so massive now i cant wait until russia+china put up their new rockets

>>10006370
Which they achieved on a block 4. The block 5 took 3 months. So the block 5 wonder rocket is actually doing worse, lel.

>>10006370
Fake news. Turnaround of the block 5 is 3 months, and of the block 4 was 3,5 months.

>>10005485
I've hated him for weeks just because of the watch shilling threads on /b/

>>10006385
>>10006388
>https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.teslarati.com/spacex-falcon-9-reuse-block-5-future/amp/
>2 month turnaround

You are fake news

>>10006385
>So the block 5 wonder rocket is actually doing worse, lel.

First few reuses are not representative. The clock is ticking, NASA shill..

>>10006400
Im not that other guy you retard. I said they achieved that on Block 4, not 5. Your link says the same thing.

>>10006404
The first turnaround time for Block 4 was 5 months. So if they can bring that down to 2 months, this means that 1,5 months is the best you can hope for with the Block 5.

>>10006404

NASA will be steadily working on a REAL martian mission the next decades while you basedboys will be worshiping different idols once this one bankrupts or gets sued into prison.

>>10006238
would be the same

>>10006414
Pretty much. Only the rich elites will get some benefit from space while the rest of us get fucked over by debts capitalism and environmental damage.

>>10006408
>The first turnaround time for Block 4 was 5 months. So if they can bring that down to 2 months, this means that 1,5 months is the best you can hope for with the Block 5.

You are not just pulling numbers out of you ass at all, lol. Behold, this is the state of anti-Musk shills.

Back in the real world, turnaround time says little about the amount of work required to refurbish the rocket. 24 hour turnaround is an attempt to reduce this work, and it is only a matter of time until it happens. However, they will still fly the stage with months between reflights even if it takes a day to refurbish, unless there is an actual need to put hundreds of payloads per year into orbit.

>>10006418
technology trickles down you commie idiot

also better rich elites than nobody

>>10006422
You are so goddamned retarded it hurts. Turnaround time is everything, and it was already clear years ago that SpaceX was not going to reuse their rockets when the refurbishment took months.

BTW, New Shepard has a turnaround time of 1 afternoon and refurbishment costs of 50.000$. Just so you know who is REALLY going to dominate the launch market.

>>10006429
That will be Boeing with their XS-1.

>>10006429
>Turnaround time is everything

Turnaround labor is everything. That is where the costs come from. Turnaround time is a mere poor proxy to estimate the labor.

>>10006429

>BTW, New Shepard has a turnaround time of 1 afternoon and refurbishment costs of 50.000$. Just so you know who is REALLY going to dominate the launch market.

Suborbital does not count.

>>10006435
First stage of the shitty kerosene rocket is not orbital, either.

>>10005485
I'm gonna copy what I wrote on another thread by a similar faggot

stupid people who are constantly brainwashed by the media bought the extreme hype about him.
then Elon started dissing the media and now they're constantly pecking at him like the pack of vultures they are.
and now stupid people who are constantly brainwashed by the media buy the extreme slandering about him.

he's just another guy with his upsides and downsides

tl;dr
stupid brainwashed people stay stupid and brainwashed

>poor people admire rich people

Never change

>>10006465
No shit Sherlock. The payload is orbital, and that is what matters.

>>10006481
>namefag
>leftist moron

why am I not surprised

>>10006481
We admire them rockets and rightly so.

>>10006482
So if the New Shepard had a second stage mounted on its top instead of a tourist deck, that detaches from it, it would suddenly be much more remarkable? Uh, no, thats not how it works.

idifferent towards him as a person, just interest in his results
between him, NASA's $60B frankenstein patchwork of decommisioned rockets that still didn't even fly and Russians charging $85,000,000 per seat out of spite, I'm going with this guy

>>10006488

Yes it would. However its remarkability would be directly proportional to the amount of payload it can orbit. Which in case of New Shepard augmented with a second stage would be extremely low.

Nobody cares about your suborbital toys, Jeff.

>>10005485
I like him for dabbing on journalists and saying British people are pedophiles

>>10005577
Do it again Sturmbannführer

>>10006480
NPCs will have their opinions shifted

>>10006481
Most rich people such
Papa Musk is a rogue rich person who talks mad smack about the rich. Leftists fill their usual role of police of the elite rather than against the elite as a whole. Otherwise they’d be applauding him for fucking with rich people and the media.

>>10006489

Governments are subject to the public and will act fairy and redistribute wealth in a way that benefits everyone.

Private monopolies... Everybody knows what those do.

Worshiping someone who is trying to build the latter while making fun of science driven government efforts is not beneficial for humanity.

>>10006515
>Governments are subject to the public and will act fairy and redistribute wealth in a way that benefits everyone.

HAHAHAHA

>>10006515
>science driven government efforts
>porking corporations for supplying 60 years old tech

>slap shuttle main engines on bottom of shuttle fuel tank and paint it white
>strap on SRB's
>put a Delta V 2nd stage on it
>top it with apollo command module

>heres your benefit for humanity, sir, that will be $60,000,000,000, k thnx bye!

>>10006515
>Governments are subject to the public and will act fairy and redistribute wealth in a way that benefits everyone.

The point of a rocket is to fly in space, not to redistribute wealth. NASA does work great at redistributing wealth, true. Not so much at the whole "spaceflight" thingy..

I like him. He is crazy enough to do things nobody else would dare and what should be done

>>10006545
First private space company: 1980s.
First mass-produced electric car: 2009.

What exactly did he do that nobody else dared to do?

>>10006549
>brainlet wants to be spoonfed
lol, google his name

>>10006555
I am well aware who he is and what he has done, and none of that was "crazy enough that nobody else dared to do them".

He is really good at PRETENDING to be that though, and HYPING himself and his products.

>>10006549
>First private space company: 1980s.
>What exactly did he do that nobody else dared to do?

Succeed.

>>10006563
>meme landings

So he created memes. He's literally a meme-lord. That's his giant achievement. No wonder losers from reddit and 4chan are so into him.

>>10006581
The only meme around here is paying >$100 million for a space launch, dear shill.

>>10006589
You can book a launch for 70 millions in China and 60-80 millions in Arianespace for a launch comparable to what Falcon 9 offers. Something facnier than that is obviously more expensive.

>>10006589
Launch cost is only a tiny fraction of expenses in spaceflight.
Even if launches were free the satelites and especially telescopes/manned spaceships would still cost billions and take years of development simply because space forgives no mistakes.

>>10005485
Imagine worshiping a guy whose products you can't even afford
Also we will never live an other rock besides earth, deal with it

>>10006596
>because space forgives no mistakes.

Does not matter if you can just launch again. Launch costs are the main reason why spaceflight is expensive.

>>10006603
Absoluetely bullshit. For things like James Webb Telescope launch cost isnt even 5% of total cost.

>>10006722
Well yes JWST and SLS+Orion are good examples on how launch costs are irrelevant.

>>10006722
JWST is a one-off scientific payload. Not representative of the vast majority of paylaods.

>>10006408
>>10006465

>1,5 months is the best you can hope for with the Block 5.

False, the current turnaround time for a Block 5 is 4 weeks, which will most likely decrease over time.

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1039531798034882561

>First stage of the shitty kerosene rocket is not orbital, either.

The important statistic here is not height but velocity, the F9 booster may not fly much higher than the NS booster but it takes a much flatter, faster trajectory which leads to the F9 re-entering the atmosphere at Mach 6-7 compared to the NS at Mach 2; the Falcon 9 is essentially a self-landing hypersonic missile.

>>10006794
If New Shepard goes Mach 2, than so is New Shepard, you absolute brainlet.

>>10006776
Apart from the market of cheap commercial satellites, pretty much all payloads will cost more than the launch. And even the commercial satellites can be pretty expensive.

>>10006806
>Apart from the market of cheap commercial satellites, pretty much all payloads will cost more than the launch. And even the commercial satellites can be pretty expensive.

You mean apart from the largest and the fastest growing market? And even for more expensive payloads, launch cost is minor but still significant. Things like JWST are absolutely an exception.

Anyway, it is not even about current satellites. Reusability today helps but only modestly. SpaceX is betting on things such as low orbit satellite constellations, private space tourism and ambitious deep space flights using copious orbital refueling. These things will require high launch rates where reusability will definitely help greatly. If all you want is to launch a dozen sats per year, then dont bother with reusability. But in that case you can forget about ever returning to the glory days of Apollo, much less exceeding them.

>>10006806
Are you legitimately retarded? Just an honest question...

>>10006830
The only thing cutting launch costs by 50-90% will achieve is that launching satellites and stuff will be cheaper, but that's it. That is by far not enough to create new markets. A 90% cut in launching costs would still mean that one single ticket to LEO will cost multi-million dollars. To truly industrialize/colonise space, one ticket to LEO can't cost more than 50.000$. To achieve that, you would need to cut launch costs by >99%. This is impossible with rockets, so why even bother? Only things like space elevators will bring that kind of space-travel costs. And those are still far away.

>>10005558
>Well, his ideas for a martian government are a bit odd.
Which are those?

>>10006984
He wants to establish a direct democracy for the entire planet.

>>10006984
long laws are suspicious. Direct democracy. It should take less % of a vote to remove a law than put in place a law.

>>10007002
lol, this is stupid. of all the places in the galaxy, a mars colony would be the most regulated of all. everything from how many grams of food you eat to where your poop goes would be regulated. a breaking of any whatever small rule (let's say for example you don't pee where you are supposed to) could have fatal consequences for the colony. a mars colony will look much more like a military unit with very clear hierarchic structures and draconic punishments for whomever breaks any of the many rules.

>>10005485
I hated him before it became popular.

>>10007066
this goy gets it

>>10006512
they are NPC they are not programmed to change their opinion

>>10005580
im sorry you never experienced true love, I truly am.

>>10005485
I like that a man with a relatively technical mind got rich and is attempting continued growth in his endeavors.
He really needs to get some high ranking business executives to manage his business affairs though.
Saying stupid shit on twitter and raucous publicity stunts really don't help your stock prices.

>>10007176
>he unironically "loves" dumb femoids

Anyone who doesn't like musk is a dumb fuck whos opinion is based on other people's opinion. This man is trying to advance humanity the haters can suck his cock. Fuck of edgy cucklords who want to be contrarians by not liking him

Being a douchebag doesn’t invalidate your achievements. Not by even 1%. He can call Gahndi and Martin Luther King Jr. pedos too for all I care.

>>10005485
I absolutely despise him, but he's the best we got.

Sent from my iPhone.

>>10007453
that image is like so toxic I'm just like ugh

can someone link me an interview that will actually make me think this guy is a top mind? as far as I can tell he's a total hack, hype artist and certainly aint no genius. worst of all, all of his "innovations" are not original, afiak

>>10007002
So literally taken from Professor de la Paz from Harsh Mistress

>>10005548
intense autism
genuine asperger syndrome, not the ironic kind

>>10006341
do not respond to paid shills please and thank you

>>10007365
Gandhi was a creepy pedo though - he would sleep in the same bed as naked teenage girls to "test his chastity". Also look up what Gandhi said about kaffirs when he lived in South Africa.

>>10005719
after doing some research I changed my mind, this guy sucks and does not even seem that intelligent

>>10006313
do you only admire dead people, or do you admire no one?

>>10005525
>Mars
>red giant
>giant
Mars is smaller than Earth /b/ro

>billionaire
>started 2 very hard businesses recently that benefit everyone

meh, there are much worse people. I admire him.

>>10007048
Mars colonists would need to be the best of the best, and their children would be raised better since nothing there would be taken for granted. A smarter populace would make democracy work better than it has before.

I don't admire or idolize him but I do wish he makes it to Mars.

>>10007351
This pretty much sums it up desu. Haters gonna hate while hes getting shit done.

I don't admire him. He's a crony capitalist. He owes much of his success due to billions in government subsidies. Pretty easy to do well when you have the taxpayer unwillingly funding your business ventures.

>>10008294
Musk's share of subsidies is barely even pocket change compared to what other companies have taken, but it's only Musk that you see rants about. Why is that?

On top of that, SpaceX has saved both NASA and the Air Force a bunch of cash already, meaning these organizations are seeing returns on their investments.

I'm not seeing the issue here.

>>10008308
its a big smear campaign

Zerohedge/drudgereport and a bunch of other big media outlets are after elon musk lately. Probably because tesla and space x are taking out too many existing companies lately.

Block 5 reusability is crazy good and the "long turnarounds" cited are because they did complete teardowns and rebuilds on the early models.

>>10008294
lol

You mean the savings he is giving the government by competing with existing monopolies?

All car companies get the EV subsidies.

>>10006481
>dumb people believe they will control the government
never change

>>10005485
>Single handledly dragging us, kicking and screaming, into the space age
Elon Musk is just the worst.

>>10008398
you don't get it. He got government money!

I bet the people upset about it would be enraged to learn almost every local retail business around them got subsidies, not to mention employee subsidies via social services that happen for low wage employees.

Every single thing in America is subsidized by government to some degree. SpaceX/Tesla are not in any way subsidized any more than average company and in many ways save USA a ton of money such as increasing competition in space launch.

>>10005485
Lmfao do you somehow not?

>>10008405
That’s terrible! That money should be used to send aid to countries with starving nigger children. How else do we expect our grandchildren to deal with 2x the amount of starving nigger children 100 years from now?

>>10005568

>>10006310
ahahaha you fucking tard are you seriously claiming that the space shuttle was good because of the number of components that were reused?
look up how much it cost per launch vs. how much payload it could put into orbit, I'm not even gonna paste it in this comment for you
>>10006275
>a shitty kerosene rocket less
>the only reusable first stage ever built and the cheapest launcher in the world
fixed

>>10007048
yeah for a couple years when it's still basically McMurdo station but I disagree that it'll remain that way for long

>>10005485
Master of hype and marketing. Stirring up mouth frothing austist fanboys about infeasible projects that will never happen (inb4 you bring up some shit that did). I don't care the autism is unbearable.

>>10008419
when I was in undergrad, I'd go to parties a lot and inevitably the "what's your major" would come up and I'd have to talk to some retard about aerospace and half the time it would boil down to them ranting about how "we can't go to space until we fix all the problems on earth"
I'm not sure how that became such a popular opinion, especially considering we ... already have people in space