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>>15228890
That argument for a god has nothing to do with jewish fairy tales. It's based on a classical theistic concept of god
>Classical theism is associated with the tradition of writers like Plato, Aristotle, Philo of Alexandria, Plotinus, Proclus, Athenagoras of Athens, Clement of Alexandria, Basil of Caesarea, Augustine, Boethius, Cyril of Alexandria, John Damascene, Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite, Al-Kindi, Al-Farabi, Avicenna, Anselm of Canterbury, Maimonides, Averroes, Thomas Aquinas, Leibniz
The abrahamic religions are generally consistent with these features, but so were some non-abrahamic concepts of the deity. And many of the other non-formally logical arguments such as contingency and cosmological ones don't either have to be tied to strictly abrahamistic beliefs either. Gödel just was interested in anselmian and leibnitzian arguments for god and formalized them. He was just more of a general theist. Any highly intelligent person is going to eventually figure out that naturalism is a fake news philosophical belief.

>>15138431
>So basically, God exists?
Yes. Once the physical system (universe) is shown to be a contingent entity (it is contingent because it began, so it demands an explanation/cause), then there follows the logical necessity for and entity possessing at least some of the attributes commonly ascribed to god, namely the ability to initiate systems such as the physical (virtual) universe, and the attribute of not being temporally constrained. So not bound by time (cycles). The non-contingent entity (god) is called a necessary being in philosophical terms. Aquinas coined this term. Leibnitz formed arguments based on this concept as well. It was a way to express informally logically the necessity for a creator without bringing a particular theology into it. So the contingent being (universe) demands a cause/explanation for it's existence. the cause can't itself also be contingent, ie have a beginning, or else you get an infinite regress of contingent entities, ie 'well, if god created the universe, then who created god', ad infinitum. So the regress can be avoided by just postulating a single entity which wasn't itself booted up, ie not temporally constrained, ie didn't begin/outside of time (cycles). So an everlasting, beginningless and endless entityIf you want to see bertrand russell get schooled on this argument, watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVLKURgfft0