/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11838028
>ffs retard no matter what anyone answers "of what" you're gonna ask "hurr what came before that"
Well everything has a source no?

>you're implying that material comes before numbers because numbers must be "of" something, which is nonsense.

Not my argument at all. Numbers are a concept only. They don't actually exist as something. They are words in the language of mathematics. They are used to count/measure/label the things that are actually real. The universe doesn't count or use math, humans do. We invented "number" and use it to describe. To say material comes before number or number comes before material is nonsensical because numbers don't actually exist as something in the physical world. They can't come before or after anything because it's made up as it goes along.

>go back and read the greeks
Yeah and what did they say? They counted and used numbers too, but they also knew they were using number to describe "things that were real".