/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10662203
Not one bit, but I'd love for them to build a working long term base on the moon and get actual shit done instead of just being a fucking grant chasing drain.

>>9597385
It is just a good lab for experiments and long term training. There's no real reason to have it as a waypoint since that is not a very efficient role for Delta-V, unless it is creating fuel on the moon and storing it at the station for refueling craft. It could act as a life boat for aborted/failed manned missions on the moon. Unfortunately, I think it is probably a grant chasing scheme. It is so utterly useless because it won't have a dedicated function that will actually advance much of anything we don't already know. There's barely any new tech in it or anything new going to be done.

We need dual purpose stations. Places that get shit done with applied science and engineering. Like making fuel, resource extraction, etc while having space for actual science projects like ISS has now.

>>9598517
Yes, we should get on that ASAP. Heavy shielding and spinning.

>454,831 waiting

>>9348509
>researching the effects of long term partial gravity

NASA or whoever needs to get some spinning shit up ASAP. They could have several labs dedicated to different force levels going, all at once, for more immediate results.

ISS is on its way out "soon". The spinning module for ISS, "Centrifuge Accommodations Module," was canceled,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifuge_Accommodations_Module

The next proposed space station is the " Orbital Piloted Assembly and Experiment Complex" (OPSEK). Some of the modules from ISS may be transferred to the new station.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_Piloted_Assembly_and_Experiment_Complex
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station#End_of_mission

For long term stay in space, humans need 1g, in order to reduce health issues like atrophy of tissues and VIIP. We've never had an actual centrifuge module of any kind in space for humans to use. There's no data on it at all. How do we ensure a module or station like this will be built for related experiments? We need to know how the human body will react in microgravity while using a centrifuge module/station. Everything is conjecture until we do that one thing.

How can we accomplish this?

>>8812326
VIIP may still put people blind, just slower than on the ISS. Gravity does a shit load to the body, from bone density to intracranial pressures. We need extensive testing on low gravity places like the moon and Mars to see how the human body will react to them. I'm sure it will be a curve as to the effects lowering the gravity will have on the body. We need to find the tipping point.

In actuality, it would be cheaper, safer, and better to use a set of rotating space stations or modules of different spin rates to simulate different gravities for a study like that.

>>8778750
You build it in space and launch parts.

>>8345255
The problem with magical devices is that you can make up anything for them to fix any perceived problems.

Say for instance you use gravity to pull your ship along and you have gravity to use as ship's artificial gravity. Wouldn't one cause problems with the other? Of course, but with these magic devices all you need to say is, "There's a gravity compensator which accounts for that and prevents problems," which is another magic device.

Because of this, you can't really accurately talk about a real world application of any magic device.

How about you discuss real world things. Like the development of a mass driver for launching things into space and using rotational forces to develop artificial gravity in space. Then we can have all sorts of real world discussion about it without needing some /sci/ equivalent Dungeons & Dragons rule book to keep the magical universe we are talking about straight.

>>8220999
>Skylab

Shiiieeet, that was a long ass time ago. I totally forgot it even existed. It was like a media circus when it fell. We had 3 channels and it was NOTHING but news coverage of that. So, much god damn nostalgia right there.

That wasn't a centrifuge though, it was just a circular track they would "run" around on.

There's the same thing in the book "Imperial Earth" but it is used for bicycles, if I remember correctly. Neat concept overall.