/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15705987
you're stupid. look at pic related. we can't even see a tiny portion of a 1 galaxy and the galaxies are at least billions

1) We know that life can exist on a suitable planet of the universe; it has already happened here; it has managed to achieve the 2nm transistor and it keeps advancing.
2) We know that there are _at least_ (observable) ~10 to the 24th solar systems that is at least 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or a trillion trillion systems.
3) It's statistically impossible for them to not exist since the inverse of the number of suitable planets is smaller than the planck constant.

Main issue is that the vastness of space in combination with the speed of light limit makes it likely impossible to meet most of them.
Now there's also the interesting dark forest theory; advanced aliens are already near; but they don't think it helps them to help.
Probability itself is not much of an issue since the permutations are approximately unlimited and the probability non-zero.

The "humans are special" hypothesis is religious nonsense.
Even on earth some animals are smart and almost there.
Just this 1 solar system alone has almost-earths.

1) We know that life can exist on a suitable planet of the universe; it has already happened here; it has managed to achieve the 2nm transistor and it keeps advancing.
2) We know that there are _at least_ (observable) ~10 to the 24th solar systems that is at least 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or a trillion trillion systems.
3) It's statistically impossible for them to not exist since the inverse of the number of suitable planets is smaller than the planck constant.

Main issue is that the vastness of space in combination with the speed of light limit makes it likely impossible to meet most of them.
Now there's also the interesting dark forest theory; advanced aliens are already near; but they don't think it helps them to help.
Probability itself is not much of an issue since the permutations are approximately unlimited and the probability non-zero.

The "humans are special" hypothesis is religious nonsense.
Even on earth some animals are smart and almost there.
Only this 1 solar system has almost-earths.

1) We already know that life can exist on a planet of the universe; it has happened here; it has managed to reach a point of the 2nm transistor and it keeps going.
2) We know that there are at least ~10 to the 24th solar systems that is at least 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or a trillion trillion systems.
3) Therefore it would be stupid to not assume that not only there are alien occurrences elsewhere but the advanced ones must be millions.

Main issue is a) the vastness of space in combination with b) speed of light limit -> c) it's almost impossible to meet most of them.

Now there's also the interesting dark forest theory; advanced ones are already near; but they don't feel it helps them to help.

1) We already know that life can exist on a place of the universe; it has happened here; it has managed to reach a point of the 2nm processor.
2) We know that there are at least ~10 to the 24th solar systems that is at least 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or a trillion trillion.
3) Therefore it would be stupid to assume that not only there are alien occurences elsewhere but the advanced ones are >millions.

Main issue is a) the vastness of space in combination with b) speed of light limit -> c) it's almost impossible to meet most of them.

Now there's also the interesting dark forest theory; advanced ones are already near; but they don't feel it helps them to help.

>>11971150
Except your jump from #1 to #2 is full of assumptions that may not necessarily be so. Consider that...

1. The universe is fucking huge. Signs of industrial Human civilization would only be seen from 100 light years away at most. Any alien located more than 100 LY away would see Earth as an ordinary rocky planet, perhaps they would know it's hosting life because of oxygen but nothing that indicates advanced life.

2. Other alien civilizations may be even more primitive than us.

3. Related to #2, the universe is very young. We may be the first intelligent species on this entire Galaxy.

4. There may be a hard limit that prevents FTL travel. We don't know if it's theoretically possible.

5. There may be a great filter of sorts that prevents advanced civilizations from developing.

6. Life may be extremely, extremely rare and perhaps even a one off event.

You need to answer why we haven't seen anybody out there. You can't handwave this. For 50 years Humans have scanned space with radiotelescopes, space telescopes, antennas, and other means and have found no conclusive signs of intelligent life in our vicinity. This doesn't mean there is no intelligent life but it certainly raises the question of why wouldn't they develop space activities in space if they are so advanced and able to travel here.