/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15969939
There’s decades old research that measures exactly that. Your ignorance of the subject doesn’t mean that the effect doesn’t exist or has been directly measured.

>>15876654
Assuming you’re not arguing in bad faith and rejecting empirical observations the reasons that Mars has a wake greenhouse effect are
Mars’s atmosphere is very thin and has no water.
The amount of solar radiation is 40% of the amount reaching the Earth
When CO2 absorbs and re emits IR, there must be other gases to hold that energy and the mass of the Martian atmosphere is much much smaller and thus can’t hold energy effectively.
The problem on earth with CO2 is that it compounds the greenhouse effect of the other gasses in the atmosphere. Water vapor falls out of the atmosphere almost instantly, and it’s controlled by temperature. While CO2 has a much longer residence time. This causes a positive feedback loop where the extra greenhouse effect of CO2 increases the temperature and thus the atmosphere can hold more water.
Prior to the anthropogenic spike of CO2, this back and forth lead to the glacial/interglacial cycles that are triggered by changing orbital parameters. These cycles operate on the order of 100k years.
This is an observed and quantified fact. The amount of radiative forcing is in fact die to increasing CO2.

>>15627407
It’s been shown to him time to time, there’s no need to keep repeating the same responses.
The greenhouse effect happens in the atmosphere where it’s directly measured and has little to do plants
>>15627063
Same shot with this, people have posted the spectra from the Martian atmosphere and he keeps repeating the same falsehood that there’s no greenhouse effect on Mars

>>15577375
The greenhouse effect is an observed and quantified property of CO2

>>15569068
But it is causation. The properties of CO2 and it’s interactions with IR were discovered long before climate change was measured

>>15552065
It is empirically observed and measured to be anthropogenic

>>15467913
>>15468002
>Earth, CO2 catalyzes the storage of solar energy as organic matter, which removes energy from the environment in a way that conventional thermodynamics cannot account for
This is such horseshit god damn. The increasing energy radiating back from the atmosphere from the greenhouse effect is directly measured through clear sky readings of the atmosphere from the surface. It’s a pretty simple mechanism that can be replicated at home.

>>15458474
I recall he was thoroughly btfo though. The greenhouse effect is a measured and observed phenomenon and property of CO2. Your ignorance on the subject doesn’t mean it’s not real

>>15315044
Mars has less than 1% of the atmospheric pressure of the Earth and lacks the presence of water vapor, which has a positive feedback mechanism with CO2. But you already knew that, didn’t you?
Increasing greenhouse forcing has been directly measured for more than a decade at this point.

>>15273279
Yes it’s very real, observationally proven and quantified to be caused by increasing greenhouse forcing

>>15185555
If only we didn’t have observational data on it’s forcing you might get away with your lies

>>15181080
>dude the properties of a gas that were discovered long before we knew what climate was are not true because I say so

>>15121509
Again just stating outright lies about basic observed and measured phenomena

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>>15094714
Notice that this denier anon never posts any sort of evidence or data and just details the thread then someone else does

>>15019903
>very low infrared trapping
But that’s not true though.

>>14958997
There’s mountains of evidence showing that we are indeed greatly accelerating warming with CO2. It’s a plain, measured and quantified fact. With regards to temperatures, the rate of warming is 10x faster compared to all the ramp ups of the interglacials going back 1 million years.

>>14698831
>The greenhouse effect due to atmospheric CO2 levels off at about 100 ppm
God you’re retarded

>>14687437
The properties of CO2 are set and measured. It absorbs and re emits infrared. This has been known before anyone was thinking about climate. The more fuel burned the more CO2 accumulates.
There’s several observations both ground based and space based of the direct forcing and the spectrum of the incoming and outgoing radiation.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14240

>>14678284
Again you show how clueless you are because there’s observational data of radiative forcing changing along with seasonal CO2 variability