/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14860270
More interesting today is Autopoiesis systems rather than Abiogenesis, which is already the standard.

Autopoiesis systems are basically clusters of small systems inside a larger system that operate semi-independently and generate their own sets of rules outside the limits of the larger system. Such that life/complex structures can have their own natural functions thats independent of the static unbounded particles of the universe.

>>14620557
Agree in part.

1) Free will as an agent driven causality-free decision maker is dumb. However there are workarounds. 2) Agentless malleable causality based intentionally driven will.

1a) Agents itself is an issue. Little man driving the mind/ghost/soul/alien body snatcher/etc makes no sense.
1b) Causality free action generator makes no sense.

2a) Malleable causality means the importance of causality isn't placed so much on the beginning of time, but rather its placed in the context of "now" moment. If we imagine time not as a permanent fixture for which objects move through, but rather time as temporary and which while there is influence of the past, because the past ceases to be, the more important factor is "now" time which can change the direction of causality a bit.
2b) While the timeline flexibility allows for some change, its the consciousness that does the changing. Consciousness is the sea in our mind in which we live our active life. In the conscious awareness, the function which allows us to change the course, nudge the course of causality is the moment of perception. Our awareness of the world allows us to direct our thoughts/actions towards a different future than would be otherwise for an inanimate object. The difference is that conscious beings have an internal self generating system in addition to the raw footage we get from external world. The boundaries between the internal self generation system and the external inputs is our body/senses/etc.