/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10235434
No one. Just a harmless observer.

>>10192737
>>10197297

>he hasn't derived a proof for god from first principles

and look, the brainlet makes a thread about it too. oh but some guy who probably hasn't even read the ctmu made a shitty iq chart on facebook! not an argument

>>10195851
you are close, but not quite. not only this, but in genesis, the universe had to have defined its rules somehow. from the reality principle, reality is all that is real so nothing external to it could have imposed this syntax. what follows is that through self-determinacy (effectively free will) the universe defined its own rules by placing restrictions upon UBT. i think i could have explained it earlier, but who cares? the thread is going to be deleted after i make this post. not that i care.

>>10196147
this desu

>>10195910
you do not understand what perception is in this discussion. otherwise, it should be rather self-evident that reality does indeed conform to categories or cognitive syntax

this here provides some background behind where he is coming from:

http://megasociety.org/noesis/44/intro.html

it is a bit annoying that you can talk about metaphysical subjects such as the ctmu in /sci/ or /lit/

>>10196359
look around you. everything you look at conforms to your own cognitive syntax. there is a clear isomorphism between cognition and reality. assume there was an object that was truly incomprehensible (to the point that it is not even indescribable). if this were the case, it wouldn't be perceptually relevant to the rest of reality either. we can prove this by principles in mathematical metaphysics such as syndiffeonis. in such a way, there is a clear language-reality isomorphism. if you look into induction, it is clear that inductive inferences are cognitive structures that we impose unto objects to then make predictions. reality must have these structures imposed on it externally from it as well if we are to not live in utter disorder.

now we need to go over some extremely simple assumptions. one that reality is a closed feedback loop. to deny it is a feedback loop is to deny that reality has any laws that change its contents based on the current state of the system. to deny that reality is closed is a contradiction. by tautology, reality is all that is real.

however, by this tautology, we come to a crossroads. if reality is all that is real, and the cognitive syntax of the universe must have been decided, what is it that would have gave reality its laws? reality of course!

the rest is homework, or read the ctmu or something. it is disgusting that some 'people' haven't figured these things out, when they are painfully obvious.

>>10107505
yikes! he thinks he is with the big boys now. ok let's look at this carefully. first of all, your assumption of god's nature is that of aquinas, which isn't necessarily the case for a god. either way, i wouldn't argue that the judeo-christian conception of god isn't necessarily unknowing. i generally also take issue with their conception of god's omniscience, though that is a different conversation.

anyways, this argument is still moronic. god is omniscient - all knowing. your assumptions rest on a gross misinterpretation of what knowledge is. you hide behind this with silly references to proofs in computability to try and make your argument look sophisticated. we don't need the halting problem as an example. let's simply take (A AND NOT A). according to your conception of omniscience, an omniscient being should know a value of A that would satisfy this expression. of course that is immediately contradictory. it can never work. here's the problem, and i will spell it out for you once: you can't know things that do not exist. knowledge is built off of justification, believe, and veracity. if there is no veracity, it simply isn't knowledge. it is amazing you'd attempt such a pretentious example without understanding basic epistemology. oh well, we can't all be born with an IQ above 150

>>9089671
https://iocdf.org/about-ocd/treatment/meds/

>>8573551
>identidy