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The real redpill is that there are genuine NPCs in this world that don't have free will and no amount of logic, reason or philosophy will convince them to doubt their own experience of being an automaton.
You'll see a lot of them in this thread. And they are ALWAYS repeating the same 7-8 memes, all of which have been rebutted numerous times:
- Everything has reasons, including our own actions, and if you follow the causal chain you eventually go outside of yourself which means they aren't your choice.
- We're made up of atoms and none of the particles have free will, the just behave according to physical laws so thinking we have free will just a human superstition.
- Even if some physical laws are fundamentally random, that doesn't give us free will, because randomness just gives us randomness, not free will.
- We are just biological machines acting by instinct, trying to fulfill our biological duty. There's no free will in that.
- The media and other manipulation techniques are too effective to think anyone actually has free will. We're all just robots being controlled by the environment. No free will.
- Experiments show machine can predict what we think before we become consciously aware of it, therefore no free will.
- If anyone actually had free will they would be able to have self-control and achieve anything they want.
- Anyway, the phrase free will is meaningless and it doesn't matter either way if you have it or not, so the discussion is pointless.
No matter how many times I debunk every single one of these claims, they'll just jump to another, never even acknowledging the validity of my points and never admitting defeat. They also get extremely angry after a while. That has been my personal experience.