/sci/ - Science & Math

>>7006666
sounds good, except for:

>Therefore mathematical language was discovered in the universe not invented.

Can you really suppose a definitive difference between inventions and discoveries?

I think it's -human- to think there's a difference. Suppose there is a new thing to discover per every moment you exist, there is then a new thing to invent. You may run out of uses for each invention, but whether something is useful or redundant doesn't stop it from being an invention.

So math is discovered, but only if it works. It only works if it is applied to material. If it did not work when applied to material, it would not be useful, and we would have long forgotten it. Math then is the construct of useful ideas as they are applied to materials.

I'd say math is as invented as it is discovered. Man says it is only invented when it is useful. We all say it would not be discovered or invented if it were not applicable.

Whether you contend math to be invented, fundamental, or discovered, it is always the case that Math is done by us AS we affix it to what we know to be true around use in the nature of the universe. That doesn't mean the universe is mathematical, it means that our greatest hopes and dreams rely upon making the universe mathematical.

You could almost say that math and discovery are intangibly synonymous: if it can not be discovered, it is not mathematical.

Whether Math or the Universe precede one or the other is not debatable, the universe is by definition all things, inventions, discoveries, material, math, and so on.

we only want to make it mathematical so that we can adapt to it as we adapt a language to render it more visible to us.

How have all the modern (scientific) discoveries about our universe and its mind-boggling scale and mysteries affected how you live your life and/or look at life itself?

Has it ever immobilised you in any way with the feeling of insignificance? Or has it perhaps made you even more optimistic about being alive with all the possibilities for our generation and all the future generations to come, and what kind of discoveries will be made giving us an increasingly clearer idea of what it means to live in this universe, what we're all made of, and how it all came to be?

Just the idea of there being over 200 billion galaxies (which themselves contain billions of stars and solar systems) within the observable universe both terrifies and amazes me. I wonder how many people actually often think about how weird and seemingly special life really is. Maybe I have too much spare time on my hands, and most activities the majority of people seem to find incredibly entertaining, I find awfully dull and boring, especially in comparison to philosophical and scientific ideas like these.

Anyway, excuse my little rant. Curious what your answers are.