/sci/ - Science & Math

>>8748263

Not by a longshot.

>>8748069

Biology.

>>8123956
>why in the fuck are you in CS or even defending CS as a superior major?
I'm not. CS is a fucking degree mill joke.

>I am sorry but I will judge that for myself.
> I consider my job to be pretty good and interesting
These are the kind of arguments I usually hear from cashiers and other service job crud.

>>7760320
Try to analise how you feel about graduating in the most oversaturated meme degree in human history.

>>7741234
>business
The OG meme degree. Only "successful" Business degree holders are trust fund babies who wanted ample time for pussy crushing during college.

>>7591730
That's because Biology is a degree for girls who are too smart for psychology and arts, but are only attending university "for the experience", not for a career.

>>7581536
Pic related for proof. I was a bit off.

There are 2.75 math graduates for every ChemE graduate and there are 3.35 math graduates for every physics graduate.


More interesting stats. There are less EEs and CIVIL engineering graduates than math graduates.


If you don't get over your delusions now you can just fuckoff and go back to your eco chamber. You'll find out how worthless you are compared to engineers when you graduate, but for now keep thinking your degree is in any way prestigious in your little inbred mono-disciplinary circlejerk.

>>7452376
Business degrees are literally the original meme degrees.

Pic related, everyone and their mum has a business degree.

>>7429048
>So do you have any actual evidence
Lowered graduation rates retard, it's in the OP, try reading it before commenting.

It is especially notable that graduation rates in Physics and engineering has been relatively stagnant despite the increase in the total population size. We have very few Physics and engineering graduates compared to most first world countries and China.

>Or are you merely pointing out an observation that your racist mind interprets as a problem
It's a policy based on race, how would you critique without using racial statistics. That's very absurd and irrationally of you to yell racism when it's a government policy.

>>7429058
Janitors aren't mods. I think mods do a great job, but you janitors are only allowed to delete something if it's against the rules, not because they don't like the discussion, mods have repeatedly said this.

>>7420551
What he means is he's looking for someone that can get a PE license. You could get engineering technologist type jobs in the manufacturing industry if you have those kind of recommendations, especially look for manufacturing management type jobs and convince them you have business skills and enough technical to manage a shift (ignore the minimum requirements in the job posting, it will engineering bachelor or technologist degrees, ignore this and apply claiming you thought a minor was enough). Most companies who already have a PE do this, because they can usually pay less to fill gaps.

Don't work for jack shit at that construction company, tell him he doesn't want to give you a raise you want a better title so you can have technical experience on your CV.

>>7420585
>How do you not have a job?
Pic related is why he doesn't have a job.
>Dat business obelisk of oversaturation.

>>7420715
>But still didn't get a job.
Jup, they stole your idea and took the credit.

>You are clearly not familiar with 1099 independent contractor status

Big companies are full of dicks, look for medium companies (200-500 employees) with conservative managers who some self-respect and are actually good enough at their job that they need to fuck over young people to make a profit.

You're right you can't start your own business, it's hard as fuck to get investors, people are pretty delusional about these sort of things.

>>7381733

It's saturated for STEM, but for degrees in general it's tiny.

Look at this.

>>7370352
It's not just about the private sector. Professors are also expecting undergraduate students to work for them for free where in the past they were paid. Unpaid internships used to be unheard of and now boomers are pretending like young people should be grateful "for the experience" of starving for 6-12 months even though most internship work is far below their capabilities and the with the modern methods they learned in university they are often far more capable than their superiors.

Furthermore the data shows (pic related) that there has NOT been an increase in the number of graduates in the fields of Physics, Chemistry and Engineering, in fact in comparing to the population growth there has been a relative decline of degree holders in those field to the total population. This is on top of a continued growth in all sectors of the economy which should correspond with a higher demand for technical employees (which it did).

This is clearly a cultural issue, not even a free market or state suppression of fair play, there has been a continuous outcry from industry for more technical graduates, but the reason no one responds to their notices is because of the insultingly low salaries and job security they offer. They are spoiled in their expectations because some retards are stupid enough to take these jobs.

A simple fix to this issue would be a youth union.

>>7358695
>business
Don't make me laugh, everyone and their mother has a business degree, it's the least valuable degree obtainable. Even english lit. developed more employable skills.

>>7350308
That would still not put it over the historic high for most disciplines, considering the comparison to the population growth the percentage of people who hold engineering degrees are far lower today than it was in 1989.

>>7334172
>>7334621
Yes it includes statistics. Don't have a source with a more distinctive split. Labour department might have it.

>>7301407
>>7301425
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>>7292184
>Business.

>>7257778
>How fucked am I?
Well pic related is where you are right now. Essentially everyone and their mother and her sister has an undergrad bio degree and as you figured out it's not a very valuable degree (relative to engineering, law, medicine etc.). It doesn't open any unique doors (other than grad-school) and it's one of the easiest undergrad degrees. What does this mean for YOU?

You need to work a lot harder than your current curriculum if you want to be successful, take more math, biochemistry and programming electives so you can. Volunteer for research over your breaks at your department, get into grad-school and do your PhD in a reasonable field (generally anything computational is in demand) and you can make decent money as a research scientist.

>internship
Good luck, according to a biotech girl I worked with last summer there's 100s of applicants for any reasonable bio spot, luckily most bio majors are complete idiots so you can easily beat them out.

Is there a place to search for online degrees (or mostly online) that state schools offer?

Surprisingly, Arizona State has EE online and also Philosophy online.

They are a bit expensive at $408 a credit.

I was interested in:

EE
Accounting
Statistics
Philosophy
Mathemetics (300k starting)

Thanks

>>7235867 (cont.)
>But anon, why haven't we improved the programmes already?

I'm glad you asked Anon. It's rather simple. You see, Biology and Psychology are money mill degrees. Universities intentionally keep real science out of their curricula because it's the easy party major for rich kids to throw tuition money. What's the harm right? We get our real scientists from serious programmes and there's always grad-school. When you compare the amount of core credits these programmes need to take compared to say Physics and Engineering, you'll find it's barely a fraction.

Clearly both bio and psych programmes would benefit from staking only general science and math courses for 4 semesters and then having more intensive discipline specific courses in their junior and senior. Faculties know this, but they don't care, they want to keep the entrance and pass requirements low for more easy money.

Calling Biology an easy-mode degree is not a meme or a joke or even something derogatory, it's a protest.

>>7218339
Except most fortune 500 CEOs are engineering majors, there are more CEOs with only an engineering degree than people with engineering+MBA, virtually no pure business:
http://www.interviewbay.com/blog/how-important-is-an-engineering-degree-to-be-a-fortune-500-ceo
http://engineers.livejournal.com/198167.html
http://engineering.curiouscatblog.net/2006/05/10/top-degree-for-sp-500-ceos-engineering/

>business
Pic related, everyone and their mother has a business degree, nearly all business graduates end up working some crappy middle management job earning half an engineer his age does.

You don't seem to realize that engineers do business management in undergrad too, they are seen as smarter managers than people with vanilla commercial degrees, but too valuable to be used to manage a bunch of white collar accountants and sales people.

You're delusional beyond belief.

>>7213420
A lot of people with non-professional background degrees like bachelors in Physics, math etc. obviously aren't truly qualified to work in a STEM field.

Also some E holders work outside stem because they are too stupid for stem and couldn't keep their grades up.

Also like 80% of "STEM" degrees by legal definition includes shit like psychology and sociology (pic related) so it's not unexpected at all.

>>7170753
Everyone and their mother has a business degree, you should've known better.

>>7161069
STEM is term used by the media to group what they perceive to as a "category" of technical degrees, it is not an academic or institutional term and since they (the media outlets) usually include Psychology as a "science" yes, for intents and purposes Psychology is "STEM".

>>7138375
>then why do people take courses at those places at all?
Because some people actually want and IT job, actually the majority do because they don't want to do difficult degrees (to them) like CS. The people who do these type of degrees where average HS students who don't even know what real uni Physics or CS is, most of them will get hired into a crappy IT job and the rest will be unemployed.

>so I'm giving the average of the good and the shit schools combined.
Well fine, but when CS is mentioned on /sci/ we generally mean the proper CS schools just for your future consideration.

>Welcome to 2015, where everyone has a degree and at least half of them are worthless.
Pic related, there are far less STEM degrees than you probably believe, to extrapolate annual stats consider that roughly 60-70% of Americans have a degree, so now you can see that % that actually has a STEM degree. It's far more than half that are useless, but CS is definitely not useless, even the crappy CS degrees.