/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10678551
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The MMR vaccine has 168 reported injuries to VAERS currently for this year alone
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=44D612B0D4F60F9416EB4028A40B0991
However according to a study conducted by Harvard (which got shutdown by the CDC because they didn't like the results).
>fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported.
https://healthit.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf
So only 1% are being recorded, but many might interpret this as "thats just fevers and stuff"
Heres where you're wrong.
https://www.congress.gov/106/crpt/hrpt977/CRPT-106hrpt977.pdf
>"Former FDA Commissioner David A. Kessler has estimated that VAERS reports currently represent only a fraction of the serious adverse events"
This means that we have 16,800 deaths from MMR alone and even the FDA states that VAERS isn't reporting deaths or serious adervse events.

Let's compare that to officially reported measles deaths in the pre-vaccine era of 1950
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/E/reported-cases.pdf
This comes from the CDC themselves and they only report an average of 500 deaths a year yet all of their reports claim 3-4million cases of measles per year meaning a death rate of 0.0125%
However; this isn't accounting for "at risk" groups like cancer kids, immuno compromised, etc.
When we look at data straight from the government which has data on measles deaths since 1860 we can see the real death rates.
https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/1975/compendia/hist_stats_colonial-1970/hist_stats_colonial-1970p1-chB.pdf#
Page 63
1860 mealses deaths: 20/100,000
but that was 159 years ago
skip ahead to 1930, when vitamins were discovered
1930 measles deaths: 3.3/100,000
So its on a decline and has been for decades
1950 and on: less than 0.05/100,000

a whopping 0.00005% death rate from measles observed for an entire decade before the vaccine.

pic related is source

>>10631242
My stats come straight from the CDC themselves but I guess they aren't very reputable, now are they?
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/E/reported-cases.pdf
>500 deaths/year
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/meas.html
>However, the actual number of cases was estimated at 3–4 million annually.
>The highest incidence was among 5–9-year-olds, who generally accounted for more than 50% of reported cases.

Source for graph
https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/1975/compendia/hist_stats_colonial-1970/hist_stats_colonial-1970p1-chB.pdf#

So, we do a little basic math (I know it's hard, but you learned this a few weeks ago in your special ed class so you should be fine)
500 divided by 4million times 100 percent = a death rate of 0.0125%.
This is only all of the cases and does not account for whether the deaths were a result of measles or just because the person had cancer or was immunocompromised.

>>10516046
Measles was a non issue by the 1950's.
The vaccine wasn't even introduced until the 1960's. Nobody gave a fuck about measles, here is what they thought about measles back then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR6NEv6yCEg
>If you have to get sick, sure cant beat the measles

You had less than a 1 in 100,000 chance of dying from measles in the 1950's
That is a 0.00001% chance of dying from it.
You have a better chance of winning the lottery and getting struck by lightning on the very same day.

>>10105630
Heres the second assumption, that autism is better than getting measles.

You do realize the lifespan of an autistic person is about 40 years of age right? It's not just a "mild" issue you deal with, it's terrible and affects both you and the people you live with because you more than likely cannot live on your own. Most schools and doctors are reporting higher rates of low-functioning than they are for high-functioning autism, nobody has done a full study almost like we don't want to know; schools are still reporting between 50% low-functioning to upwards of 85% with the high-functioning autism kids actually decreasing.

Autism is not just being sheldon from the big bang theory, it's life changing and not something you are just born with, especially when you are a normal kid, hitting every mile stone up to the age of 1 or 2 and then start "regressing" into autism. That is an actual term, think about it, you ONLY start showing signs of autism at the age of 1 or 2?

Measles is not deadly as you are assuming it is, nor is it healthy user bias just because others have gotten it in the past. See pic related, it was not deadly once we learned of sanitzation, nutrition, hygiene and plumbing, we come into less contact with bacteria while sick and avoid much of the danger. We know now that they didn't back then that measles caused Vitamin A levels to deplete, this caused blindness and death, we gave kids vitamin A and vitamin C and they miraculously stopped dying.

Lets put it like this, if we are taking this graph seriously, your rate of death from getting measles is 0.00001%

The vaccine is completely unnecessary when we dont have a working injury reporting system, VAERS only reports 1% of vaccine injuries, including serious ones.

It's not that the vaccine doesn't work, it's that the adverse reactions to the vaccine are far worse than the disease.

>>10089473
Dunno

>>10055440
I called you out on you only posting infections not deaths you called non sequitur like a retard. infection rates are stupid and deaths are what are important because you pro-vaxxers are adamant that measles are deadly and killed a gajillion people when in reality maybe 500 deaths a year in the 1950's in the U.S which is astoundingly low.

Doesn't matter if I agree, almost nobody vaccinates for HPV in Japan anymore whether you want to agree with that reality doesn't matter.

>>10055462
See chart and then learn your place.

Measles killed half the world and then everyone took the magic medicine and stopped dying!

>>10002751
>>10002759
>>10002719
Crying about a graph that is only there to highlight the infection versus death rate rather than just the death rate. Here you go faggots, what a deadly disease we vaccinate babies against, oh the horror.
Next you'll try to tell me how chicken pox was worse than the plague.

>>9951072
Smallpox did die out from economical changes, so overcrowding, better nutrition, sanitzation, these are VERY important and they are heavily enforced in our society for good reason.
Measles and rubella are not deadly diseases, while the amount of people who got them decreased that wasn't the important factor, people stopped dying, the deathrates were so low that measles was a literal joke to the people, if you ask anyone over the age of 50, they'll tell you they and all of their friends got measles and it was a great time and they'd never heard of anyone dying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7zwNZOg8mE&t=1s
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsb022994
>Disappearance was facilitated, not impeded, by economic development. Long before the World Health Organization's Smallpox Eradication Program began, and despite low herd immunity, unsophisticated public health facilities, and repeated introductions, smallpox disappeared from many countries as they developed economically, among them Thailand, Egypt, Mexico, Bolivia, Sri Lanka, Turkey, and Iraq.

>>9930107
>anti-vaxxers fear mongering
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3hP84qQz4o&t=8s
uh huh

>>9923970
In 7 clinical trials (5 Amorphous Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate [AAHS]-controlled, 1 saline placebo-controlled, and 1 uncontrolled), 1
Across the clinical studies, 258 individuals (GARDASIL N = 128 or 0.8%; placebo N = 130 or 1.0%) out of 29,323 (GARDASIL N = 15,706; AAHS control N = 13,023; or saline placebo N = 594)
Holy shit, you cant be this dumb can you, a saline placebo of 600 or so compared to 28.7k that got the vaccine or vaccine alternative. Also I'm just linking random pictures because I can, they don't have anything to do with what I'm specifically saying.