/sci/ - Science & Math

>>8310725
>Do any of you share similar thoughts?
Yes OP, we all smoke weed at some point in our lives.

>>8310750
>, we have no free will either, but feel free to pretend that you do,
Free will is a question of philosophy, theology and semantics.
There are no absolute answers in any of these areas. It's unfalsifiable.
So why do you pretend there's definitely no free will? Is it probably better that way?

>>8310758
>Me making toast or jerking off is just the universe playing itself out. Ha.
There will be only one future (assuming the multiverse hypothesis is wrong).
But that doesn't mean there's only one POSSIBLE future given the current state of the universe.
Go Google "Laplace's Demon". That shit doesn't work, even under classical mechanics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace%27s_demon#Thermodynamic_irreversibility
> Laplace's demon met its end with early 19th century developments of the concepts of irreversibility, entropy, and the second law of thermodynamics.

>>8310858
>Metal as fuck
Indeed.

>>8280606
>the universe is deterministic, not probabilistic
Well, at least we've solved the Fermi Paradox.
Anon clearly isn't of this Earth because no humane possesses this knowledge.
Or maybe Anon is just passing off his emotional-needs based belief as though it were fact.
hmmmmm.....

Also, computers are deterministic, even if the universe isn't, so there was no reason for his little tirade.

>>8273527
>Am I akin to a character in a finished book that can only live in a linear, unchangeable line of events or do I have some degree of choice?
Even if you are 100% deterministic (and the jury's still out on this), you still make choices.
And there's no practical way to predict your choices with complete accuracy, you for all *practical* purposes are not predestined to make certain choices.
But even if you are predestined, what factors lead to you make the choices you do?
It's mostly (entirely?) your genetic predispositions and the sum of your life experiences, both of which are a part of who you are, despite claims such as:
"It's not you making the choices, it's your brain!"

>>8171337
>>false dichotomy
True, but not the way you see it.
As long as I'm making the decisions, without EXTERNAL constraint, I have free will.
All objections to free will are something like this:
>it's not you making the decisions, it's your genetic predispositions
>it's not you making the decisions, it's the sum of your life experiences
>it's not you making the decisions, it's your subconscious
>it's not you making the decisions, it's your brain
>it's not you making the decisions, it's the atoms in your head

...except that all these things are a part of who I am.