/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15318978
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ITT a bunch of people talking about things they've never studied.

Height of absurdity. There is a mountain of actual scientific literature on this topic. Not that you'll read it when you could just put forward high school physics level a priori notions as though they're fact.

>>12323959
>>12324021
Weird, it's like real people have returned to the internet. Where was everyone when I was making threads on this almost weekly? Hm, reading this thread is pretty bizarre tb qh.

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF
For the hell of it. Lot of data and documents here.

>>12162386
>What possible reason could you have for not picking out one or a few high quality studies to discuss? Aren't there any?
Hit the character limit. When it comes down to it, I made the pastebin for this very reason. With any given paper a lot of the discussion we're having now would be identical, the same questions come up. It is far more useful to have a large body of evidence and some key aspects of the history of the field, than to *at the outset* choose a single paper and try to have a discussion about it. The last thread I tried that with resulted in some prick endlessly stating "I'm sorry, I don't accept that paper. In order for me to discuss this with you it has to be published within the last 5 years in a high impact non-predatory and peer reviewed journal, and cited at least 10 times". I give him a link to a paper published in the ever prestigious Nature, and of course, it's just a new excuse.

Anyway, that's just the nature of the format. You're asking why I don't do things ina way you would prefer, and that's one of the reasons why your request is not as reasonable as it sounds. In emotionally charged controversial topics it is very hard to keep it from rapidly descending into a time and energy sink of endless nitpicking (over things which are either misunderstood, or don't actually matter) while ignoring the bigger picture and the greater synthesis. I would be insane to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result, or so they say.

Just choose a paper. Everything I include in the document is there for a reason and part of the big picture.

>>12078840
Rejecting "athermal" effects is too specific. Non-legit poster detected. Don't place too much stock in weirdo fucks like this, read what people like WR Adey had to say.

>>12053033
1) The wireless aspects of the devices will cause neurological changes, altered development, brain damage outright, impaired fertility, hormonal and endocrine changes, DNA damage, etc.
2) The blue light and flicker (is this still a thing?) from the screens will destroy the photoreceptors in their eyes, suppress melatonin synthesis, alter their skin flora, and ultimately lead again, to cancers, impaired immunity, and degenerative disease.
3) Their ability to navigate the real world will naturally be impaired as they fail to properly develop motor skills, their own mental tools like visualization and arithmetic, and essentially the device will become part of their mind. Not in addition to their mind, it will extend and supplant, leaving the user in large part dependent.
4) Growing up on the internet and experiencing yourself through a representation in a virtual space, that is decoupling body, mind, and persistence of identity, will lead to narcissism and psychopathy. Without true access to self, there can be no other. Interacting with confabulated and contrived avatars of other people doing the same will render you a muddled caricature. Empathy will cease entirely. On what basis shall it exist? It cannot. Children naturally develop empathy, I think, but it can be pruned and conditioned out later through deprivation, conflicting demands, and so forth.

A lot of people are very excited to be here and now, but I have to see the future as bleak. We won't stop until our own bodies have been made into transceivers so we can all be connected as parts of a grand God-like being. And then we... what, manage population growth, embrace automation and AI central planning economies, live in virtual worlds, shed our bodies (borg), or having conquered all natural obstacles we either fizzle out in apathy, or we manufacture new problems to fight over until we destroy ourselves. Most likely the former.

Roads that lead nowhere. There is a flaw in our core design.

>>12025553
How many times are you going to make this stupid post. You got plenty of answers last time and the times before but they are not what you wanted to hear so you shit up the board with the same post over and over until you get what you like to hear. You truly are pathetic Anon.

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF

>>11666351
>Also, take your cutesy snarky little quips and go fuck yourself.
And to add, learn to communicate like a real human being. You people can't even talk anymore. Everything is a stupid little slanted pseudo-soundbyte, it's absurd.

>>11395151
Bioelectromagnetics.

>>11395382
Nice.

Adey 1990 - Joint actions of environmental nonionizing electromagnetic fields and chemical pollution in cancer promotion.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1567752/
"To pursue these problems in the environment and in the laboratory, our needs for further research with appropriate budgets are great. We recognize the importance of studies that address the effects of long-term, recurrent, intermittent exposures to environmental electromagnetic fields, which is an area where simplistic concepts of cumulative dose effects do not apply. These epidemiologic and laboratory studies emphasize the growing impact of environmental chemical pollution and the rapidly increasing deployment of an almost infinite variety of environmental electromagnetic fields as possible joint factors in cancer promotion. As we move towards the twenty-first century, elucidation of mechanisms underlying these interactions at the cellular and molecular level will become matters of urgency. At the same time, implementation of public policies that would mitigate risks from these exposures may impact heavily on existing industrial practices and on important aspects of environmental planning in housing and urban development. At this stage, it is of paramount importance that the significance of these issues no longer be ignored.
[...]
Do these EM fields constitute a health hazard? Based on available epidemiological data and laboratory studies, it has become increasingly clear that these fields acting either alone or in conjunction with chemicals that occur as environmental pollutants may constitute a potential health hazard. Much has been accomplished in the past decade in establishing a firm base of new knowledge, despite a grave and growing lack of research funds and also entrenched and often self-serving attitudes among influential groups who have denied the possibility of adverse effects, based simply on their a priori positions."

>>11334060
Unironically, biophysics and a bit of mechanical engineering. If you understand bioelectromagnetics you can bypass a lot of the issues with optical processing and sensors, go straight to a hard metric of tissue damage, whicvh is increased heat, altered voltage, and different EMR emission. Dielectric properties of a region of tissue will also be different. This allows the use of magnetic fields to diagnose precisely the manner and degree of injury.

It's not actually an easy problem to solve, but trying to mimic the human senses is not exactly the correct approach imo.

start with man-machine interfaces and different methods of electrical pickup. The rest is all just sensors and collating their inputs.

>>11312461
Not off the top of my head.

Just googled.
https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/8/e1701047

The keyword "synthetic biology" is a good lead. The NATO series "security through science" has a number of books on nanotechnology. For long range communication in biological systems look into bioelectromagnetics, WR Adey and Suzanne Bawin are good entry points.

>>11270734
Sometimes kind of. Generally not. Even the giants of a given era or area of some field have their insights based on either very basic observations anyone can make just by interacting with the universe, or the totality of their exposure to the sciences.

It's pretty vague. Giants may have been an actual thing in Newton's time to a much clearer extent, but not so much anymore.

>>11271101
There's photographic evidence, bones, and credible accounts as recent as the 1930's. In addition to the vast global "mythology". The suggestion that there were never giants is somewhat absurd.

>>10859240
Adey 1993 - Biological Effects of Electromagnetic Fields:
"COOPERATIVE MODELS OF FREE RADICAL BEHAVIOR IN EM FIELD BIOEFFECTS

Research at the other extreme in the EM spectrum also support concepts of free radical interactions. There may be special significance to biomolecular interactions with millimeter wave EM fields. At frequencies within the range 10-1,000 GHz, resonant vibrational or rotational interactions, not seen at lower frequencies, may occur with molecules or portions of molecules. Biomolecular and cell research in this spectral region has been meager. Studies in solutions of DNA and of growth effects in bacteria have yielded conflicting results that may relate to extreme technical difficulties not encountered at lower frequencies. There are major problems in the engineering of suitable exposure systems, in ensuring biocompatible exposure devices, and in evaluation of experimental data for physical and biological artifacts.

Studies of yeast cell growth by a team of German scientists over the past 15 years using athermal millimeter wave fields have shown that growth appears finely "tuned" to applied field frequencies around 42 GHz, with successive peaks and troughs at intervals of about 10 MHz. In recent studies, they noted that the sharpness of the tuning increases as the intensity of the imposed field decreases; but the tuning peak occurs at the same frequency when the field intensity is progressively reduced. Moreover, clear responses occur with incident fields as weak as 5 picowatts/cm^2.

>>10810444
Everything is multipurpose. New things are always framed in terms of benefiting humanity, yet things either stay the same or get net worse year by year.

I don't like any of it. I just want to be left alone without something trying to Borg assimilate me or whatever shakes out of this. Is that really so much to ask? Is no one else seeing the perils in our present direction?

>>10774746
Adey's NASA work. Before moving to UCLA's Brain research institute I believe. He developed the qEEG.

>>10767261
Since when does decades of published science belong on /x/?

I want you to imagine going into this guy's lab at UCLA's Brain Research Institute, and telling him he's a tinfoil and belongs on /x/.

>>10759020
I think you mean you show up, get beat out of here, and then disappear again. Which is why you prefer to post when you think I'm not around, isn't it anon? ;^)

The bulk of the posts you quote aren't even me. It doesn't matter though, because it's all about hit and run crafting a narrative, trying to muddy the waters. I asked you last time, are you married? Have family? Kids?

>>10759022
For the same reason LEDs cause cancer. Suppression of melatonin synthesis and inhibited cellular repair. Although you're actually fairly well off if you aren't exposed to blue light, your body will still make melatonin.

>>10712073
Sperm dropped, 50%
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/health/male-sperm-count-problem.html (
Levine 2017 - Temporal trends in sperm count: a systematic review and meta-regression analysis
https://academic.oup.com/humupd/article/23/6/646/4035689 )

Akdag 2018 - Exposure to non-ionizing electromagnetic fields emitted from mobile phones induced DNA damage in human ear canal hair follicle cells.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29667447

Adey 1990 - Joint actions of environmental nonionizing electromagnetic fields and chemical pollution in cancer promotion.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1567752/
"To pursue these problems in the environment and in the laboratory, our needs for further research with appropriate budgets are great. We recognize the importance of studies that address the effects of long-term, recurrent, intermittent exposures to environmental electromagnetic fields, which is an area where simplistic concepts of cumulative dose effects do not apply. These epidemiologic and laboratory studies emphasize the growing impact of environmental chemical pollution and the rapidly increasing deployment of an almost infinite variety of environmental electromagnetic fields as possible joint factors in cancer promotion. As we move towards the twenty-first century, elucidation of mechanisms underlying these interactions at the cellular and molecular level will become matters of urgency. At the same time, implementation of public policies that would mitigate risks from these exposures may impact heavily on existing industrial practices and on important aspects of environmental planning in housing and urban development. At this stage, it is of paramount importance that the significance of these issues no longer be ignored.
[...]

[m] = mediafire
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF

California Medical Association, resolution 107-14
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/1020824247004/10%20-%20California%20Medical%20Association%20Resolution-highlighted.pdf

Videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBsUWbUB6PE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5GiFMJVl6Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i-Ki5dFXdI
^(This channel contains a lot of presentations from researchers who have been in this field for a long time. I recommend going through them.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIxGjKuKOU8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljLynbr5iPc

White house disposition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBbY8fvTidU

Literature sources:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23802593
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26300312
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29573716
http://cyrusfarivar.com/docs/WiFi%20Health/EBBE-review.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1482415

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8388394

Information on the physiological and pathophysiological pathways of NO. That covers Ca2+ overload, NO synthases, NO's reactions eg with superoxide at a rate 5x faster than the latter can be removed by superoxide dismutase.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17237348
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18715148

Effect Threshold Lists:
https://maisonsaine.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/CAVI_Society_attachment.pdf
https://apps.fcc.gov/els/GetAtt.html?id=171428&x=..

1996 Telecommunications act, section 704 subsection II clause iv.
"No State or local government or instrumentality thereof may regulate the placement, construction, and modification of personal wireless service facilities on the basis of the environmental effects of radio frequency emissions to the extent that such facilities comply with the Commission's regulations concerning such emissions."
https://transition.fcc.gov/Reports/tcom1996.pdf

>>10329328
Captcha stole focus and I hit backspace. Gotta retype a few thousand characters, don't think I can concisely structure this twice.

tually already being worked on if not already well developed. One idea was the use of nanomachines, or little organic piezoelectric compounds injected into the body to control brain activity. They would respond to subliminally pulsed signals in the environment, symbols, colors, temporal patterns, to alter brain activity accordingly. Perhaps to create an emotional response, to suppress one, to activate an embedded program to generate false memories, or to suppress memory formation at all. A "remember to forget", but hardwired. There was also the possibility of RF sensitive proteins expressed by cells, added via retroviruses or before birth. This has come about in the form of "magnetoproteins". There are self assembling materials that can generate nano sized conductive filaments in certain environments.

Cheap and effective gene editing exists and provides relatively stable results as far as oncogene activation. We're also nearing a point where mutational load is sufficient to produce clear population infertility. Sperm quality has been dropping for decades, from many factors. Birth rate is rapidly dropping and in many technologically advanced countries has fallen below replacement, they now rely on immigration. Infertility has become a big business, and is expanding. This allows access to the child's genetic makeup before "conception". We may see the formation of genetically enslaved underclass. Born into inescapable hardwired slavery, or as some scientists in the 50's feared for the future of man, effectively "robotocised". The future is bleak even down the avenue where we're sterilized.

Agenda 21 involves high density housing and little control over your environment. You may well be forced to have this stuff, even if you don't use it. Not sure to the degree you could take shielding measures against it.

>>10174469
Some of the people involved:
Henry Lai did research for decades, including work about microwaves with Narendra Singh who developed one of the most sensitive versions of the comet assay.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0014482788902650
(cited 10,000+ times). Unless you unquestioningly believe every claim and slanderous remark by industry and its affiliates, there's nothing to make him a "crank".
Refer to the leaked memo by Motorola back in the 90's stating that they'd sufficiently war-gamed Lai and Singh's studies.
https://microwavenews.com/sites/default/files/sites/default/files/backissues/j-f97issue.pdf
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/devra-davis-phd/cell-phones-brain-cancer_b_3232534.html
https://www.seattlemag.com/article/uw-scientist-henry-lai-makes-waves-cell-phone-industry

And it's another matter with William Ross Adey.
His last paper before his death in 2004.
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/7521096402.pdf
-Taught at Oxford
-Worked with NASA (search NASA archives)
-Was one of the main researchers involved in the development of qEEG
-Early pioneering work in the use of computers to evaluate dynamic datasets like the EEG
-Worked in the DoD's project pandora
-Was the head supervisor and a lead researcher at UCLA's brain research institute
-Co-authored major papers like the original Ca2+ efflux study.
-Received millions in research grants from the department of energy, office of naval affairs, and private entities over the course of 30 years, and practically until his death
-Was bulletproof enough in his manner and work that entities (eg WHO, Navy) would try to talk around his work when it was inconvenient in one section, but unavoidably speak of it with apprehension to reverence in a later one at a time when the field as a whole was experiencing widespread loss of funding / high probability of being fired or forced out if you didn't play ball. A trend that continues to this day.

>>10065716
Some of the people involved:
Henry Lai did research for decades, including work about microwaves with Narendra Singh who developed one of the most sensitive versions of the comet assay.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0014482788902650
(cited 10,000+ times). Unless you're dumb enough to unquestioningly believe every claim and slanderous remark by industry and its affiliates, there's nothing to make him a "crank".
Refer to the leaked memo by Motorola back in the 90's stating that they'd sufficiently war-gamed Lai and Singh's studies.
https://microwavenews.com/sites/default/files/sites/default/files/backissues/j-f97issue.pdf
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/devra-davis-phd/cell-phones-brain-cancer_b_3232534.html
https://www.seattlemag.com/article/uw-scientist-henry-lai-makes-waves-cell-phone-industry

And it's another matter with William Ross Adey.
His last paper before his death in 2004.
https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/7521096402.pdf
-Taught at Oxford
-Worked with NASA
-Was one of the main researchers involved in the development of qEEG
-Early pioneering work in the use of computers to evaluate dynamic datasets like the EEG
-Worked in the DoD's project pandora
-Was the head supervisor and a lead researcher at UCLA's brain research institute
-Co-authored major papers like the original Ca2+ efflux study.
-Received millions in research grants from the department of energy, office of naval affairs, and private entities over the course of 30 years and practically until his death
-Was bulletproof enough in his manner and work that entities (eg WHO, Navy) would try to shit talk his work when it was inconvenient in one section, but unavoidably speak of him with a sense of reverence in a later one at a time when the field as a whole was experiencing widespread loss of funding / high probability of being fired or forced out if you didn't play ball. A trend that continues.