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>>10726032
largest scale genetic clustering in global human population

>>10719001
A is true, races are real, however they are a bit smeared out and overlapping, so biology deniers try to pretend that this means it is meaningless

>>10695895
>If it was never socially constructed in the first place, it wouldn't exist.

Nope, human genome clusters like this, without any social constructs.

>>10673983
geneticists do not reject races, they just call them genetic clusters instead due to current political climate

>>10655581
>it's literally impossible for all races to be mentally the same from a genetic level after spending time learning about population genetics

True, homo sapiens population naturally diversifies, and large scale population genetic studies, enabled by cheap whole genome sequencing, confirm that. This is how our little branch on a tree of life currently looks like. Contrary to what many people think, it is not just a one big bush at all.

This coupled with the fact that brain is among the fastest changing organs in genus homo implies a plausible mechanism for biological explanation of observed mental differences between human population groups.

It is really hard to know for sure, tough, since environmental variables are very hard to disentangle.

>>10615955
genetic clusters is what modern genetics uses co classify humans, it basically boils down to races but rather more smeared out, just dont tell anyone as human biodiversity deniers are still a powerful political force

>>10596021
Race as genetic clusters is a sound classification. Get with the times grandpa, we use whole genome sequencing now. Not just a handful of genes.

>>10548567
Modern large scale genetic analysis supports the notions of races, as long as you interpret it not as strictly distinct handful of categories, but more like budding branches on the tree of life.

>>10523582
>Fallacy of the beard and Lewontin's Fallacy right in the first two short paragraphs

You are not qualified to even discuss the topic at hand. Picture related, a structure that emerges when you look at more genetic loci that just "who can drink milk". Get with the times, grandpa, we use whole genome sequencing now.

>>10516990
>tarting purely with genetic information from many individuals across the world (Key: without any initial presupposition of race), can we separate these individuals into groups which are significantly more homogeneous within than between, and which roughly correspond to the usual sense of race? (White, black, Hispanic, East Asian, Middle Eastern, and a few others)

We can do exactly that. Pic related.

>>10511176
Human genetic clusters are definitely legit. Whether they are enough to qualify as races is up to debate, tough.

>>10498463
Lewontin's fallacy is a fallacy, just because distributions overlap does not make them meaningless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genetic_Diversity:_Lewontin%27s_Fallacy

Also, picture shows unbiased human genetic clustering, studies like these are now possible due to large scale whole genome sequencing. Looks like traditional races, but with some overlaps and Africans being roughly split in two clusters.

>>10450996
Recent large scale genetic studies that utilize whole genome sequencing show that human races exist. They are just called *genetic clusters* mostly for political reasons, and there is some overlap between them, but it is not like racial groups must be distinct to be a valid concept. Picture related.

>>10425052
>you can't tell someone's "race" just by looking at them
You can with very high accuracy.

>>10365643
Wrong, miscategorizations only happen if you use small number of genes. Use many genes or even better, whole genome sequencing and you can categorize people with almost certainty. Picture related.

>>10354004
Mostly real, but more blurry and overlapping than traditional notions of separated races. Pic shows what human genetic variation really looks like.

>>10338668
>races are not distinct but blurry

wow, its fucking nothing

Vast majority of "race realists" already think that races overlap somewhat.

Meanwhile, recent large scale population genetic studies based on whole genome sequencing show a global structure looking like this. So much for a social construct.

>>10332336
Recent large scale population genetics studies, enabled by cheap whole genome sequencing, show that races are real and significant. Of course they just call them genetic clusters due to political correctness, but it is the same thing as classical races, somewhat more overlapping. So much for the "social construct" BS.

>>10318486
>phenotypic markers accurately correlate to genotypic haplogroups

Considering genotype causes phenotype, yes. Especially if you take many markers into account, a clustering emerges, one that resembles racial groups.

Races are real, they are just kinda more complicated and continuously overlapping than traditional racial categories. So nowadays people refer to them as genetic clusters. Pic related.

>>10242098
Genetic clustering studies prove that "races" do exist, just more blurry and overlapping than traditional notion of a race. And their significance is still up to debate.

>>10142566
>It applies to humans, but it's pointless because then you have, like, dozens of races in Africa and three-four in Europe.

No, you would have a rather small number of overlapping clusters. Large scale genetic studies based on whole genome sequencing show a structure like in this picture. Races or no races? You decide.

>>10100713
>You have yet to prove race even exists biologically

Due to current political climate, race science is now called study of Human Biological Diversity. And as with everything, there is a subreddit for it. Follow the links on the right for scholarly sources.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HBD/