/sci/ - Science & Math

>>4590267
>And you agree that they can't be communicated, observed or measured?

Of course not. Something I experience, and can be talked about, can be measured if it in anyway effects my brain so that I can talk about it. The semantic definition of "qualia" not withstanding. If subjective experience can be measured by the nervous system, it is not epiphenomenal. If that means that subjective experience is not qualia then so be it. But there is subjective consciousness and I can talk about it as surely as I have a brain that can measure it.

>>4590267
And you agree that they can't be communicated, observed or measured?

Of course not. Something I experience, and can be talked about, can be measured if it in anyway effects my brain so that I can talk about it. The semantic definition of "qualia" not withstanding. If subjective experience can be measured by the nervous system, it is not epiphenomenal. If that means that subjective experience is not qualia then so be it. But there is subjective consciousness and I can talk about it as surely as I have a brain that can measure it.