/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16137601
American natives are the same race as north asians, and indians are the same race as europeans.

>>15672930
>So how do you determine who's which subspecies?
Same way they did it with wolves I suppose. Which I expect is to observe extreme phenotypes and their geographic position, see how the clinal zone appears and put a line in the middle if it's localized or somewhere in between the two extremes if it's very progressive.
>Can you address the question of East African/Danish/Mbutis asked here
They could very well belong to three subspecies. There's not reason to limit ourselves to the 3, 4 or 5 races of old.
But I've read some stuff that indicates that black african groups are in fact closer to each other than they are to the groups that went out of africa to india and then back to the middle east, north africa and europe ("whites"). And the relatively low FST between EAs and the dutch is slightly suspect because the italians are more distant...
If I was to draw lines according to FST, for arbitrary reasons I'd put it at .1 and according to pic it would create 5 groups that happen to correspond to the main migration groups you can see in >>15672890.


But anyway, what the most accurate classification is, is up for scientific debate that couldn't yet happen because of antiracism, so I can't answer precisely.

>>15349348
>what are the political implications of this? I domt want some dictator somewhere using these categories to be a asshole to poeple of another subspecies.
Legitimate, we just value the truth more than you and prefer to stop and prevent genocide by other means. Note that the "one human race" has political implications too : it is used to deprive european peoples of their homelands and colonies.
>I also want to know just how would you draw the lines? What if somebody is 25 percent german. 25 percent Lebanese. 50 percent Indian. What does that make him?
It's arbitrary but I would draw the line at 0.1 Fst. In this case, germans, lebanese and indians would belong to the same subspecies. If that guy was half chinese half german, he'd just be an hybrid then.

>>15117976
I would say 3 subspecies.

>>14491605
>where do we cut the line there?
Who cares ? As you said it's arbitrary. Like colors, or like subspecies in a lot of other animals.
The important part of the concept is that it points out that there is differences between groups, that grow larger the further their last common ancestor is (also with admixture from other homos). You can apply this truth to any two groups, separated by the line of your choosing : for exemple, turks are more different from the germans than the greeks.

>>12668796
We're talking about subspecies too.

>>12012460
>Race exists based on the color of your genes.
As illustrated here.

>>11774138
>We are genetically as distant to a European as we are to Nigerians
Not quite true.

<0.05 Fst

Yes

>0.05 Fst

Yes

There's two human species, Homo Guineus, who remained in africa, and Homo Sapiens who migrated to eurasia. Homo Sapiens has four subspecies, I'll let you name them.

>>11669114
>>11669086
>you wouldn't group whites and Asians as a race?
Why not ?