/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9113208
You do not have reality on your side.
All you have is make believe.

>>8874082
>>Funny how warmists control almost every single journal and then if there's one journal that they don't control. ITS EVIL.
>E&E literally accepted and published a manuscript claiming that the Sun is a giant ball of iron, despite every reviewer they sent it out to (correctly) calling the paper a hot load of shit. It's become a clearinghouse for pseudoscience.

Provide the citation and a link to this alleged paper. In E&E professional format. Captain ad hominem.
Meanwhile climate change shills are all about the money aren't they?

Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO),“We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” (Wirth now heads the U.N. Foundation which lobbies for hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to help underdeveloped countries fight climate change.)

Also speaking at the Rio conference, Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick,said: “A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”

In 1988, former Canadian Minister of the Environment, told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

In 1996, former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev emphasized the importance of using climate alarmism to advance socialist Marxist objectives: “The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.”

IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer, speaking in November 2010, advised that: “…one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth…”

>>8712392
>Big Oil checking in just to remind you that we paid good money to some people with PHDs to try to convince you there was a chance that climate change isn't caused by humans and might not be a big deal.
>Go on about your lives, buying oil and coal. Don't pressure your congressmen to change anything.
>Thank-you for your cooperation in our record quarterly profits.

Good going Soros Shill. Glad to see you're helping the progressive cause of Global wealth redistribution. Can't wait for the United Nations to get that $100,000,000,000 a year.

http://dfat.gov.au/international-relations/themes/climate-change/Documents/climate-finance-roadmap-to-us100-billion.pdf
https://www.oecd.org/environment/cc/Projecting%20Climate%20Change%202020%20WEB.pdf
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/han-chen/countries-release-100b-climate-finance-roadmap-2020
https://www.wri.org/sites/default/files/getting-to-100-billion-final.pdf (site sometimes is down)

>>8629883
>Care to explain this?
>https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2642410-Email-Chain-Happer-O-Keefe-and-Donors-Trust.html
Oh noes, someone emailed him about a paper and he sent a white paper he wrote!

>Care to explain this?
>https://www.desmogblog.com/heartland-institute
>Keep in mind that Anthony routinely speaks at their conferences.
He spoke at a conference!!!! Heck Michael Mann has taken money from the power industry. Pic related. You're smearing attempts by very weak connections are pathetic.

>Care to explain this?
>http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFN1E75Q1ZO20110628?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true
Oh noes! Dr. Soon got $60 K a year for 5 years (overhead is about 50%). Warmists get many millions from a not-disterested fedgov.

>Care to explain this?
>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dark-money-funds-climate-change-denial-effort/
I've read the original paper. It was an attempt at smearing by weak association. What did the author show. He showed that energy type companies and such give money to Conservative institutions. They also give lots of money to liberal institutions. Surprise! Conservative institutions often give money to Conservative Think Tanks. Which, without giving names or providing a shred of evidence, the author labeled some of these Think Tanks as "Climate Deniers." The author, not surprisingly, didn't not mention that liberal institutions fund liberal thinktanks which shill for climate pseudo-science.

>Care to explain this?
>https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/exxon-mobil-gave-millions-climate-denying-lawmakers
That ain't research so its irrelevant to climate "science" outcomes.

>>8617789
You are the one living in the echo chamber just like all religious people and AGW is obviously your new religion. You are being triggered and getting all emotional over the "science". I am merely claiming this infantile, immature "science" is nothing more than a curiosity on par with an new age Farmers Almanac and the idea of basing taxation or cap and trade schemes on it akin to snake oil salesmanship.

It's great you think your climate scientists are factoring in all variables into climate prediction and analysis but they are obviously not, they are strictly focused on CO2 because this is what their handlers and financiers have requested and subtly implied at every corner in order to apply global taxation on this harmless innocent molecule. This is for the obvious reason it is the by-product of a very sought after resource without which modern life suddenly becomes impossible.

I have no doubt there are good people in all of those fields you mention and they are powerless to stop politicians and policy makers from interpreting the research from all of those fields anyway they see fit, picking and choosing what they like and what they don't. This doesn't even come across as conspiracy to me, more simple human nature.

You also seem to have a problem with the very word conspiracy and in this day and age I find that a bit strange. Conspiracies abound today just as much as they have all through history and burying your head in the sand won't change that. I believe there is a ploy to acquire control of these critical resources on a global scale - fossil fuels - through fear mongering and lies by going after the by product of those spent fuels. It looks like straight forward fraud on a grand scale to me yes. One reason for this thinking is that if the people at the top really believed in man made global warming the solutions and policies would be far different from the new reality.

>>8612994
>U (((SCIENTISTS))) AND UR ((((PIER REVIEW)))! FUCKING KIKES! FUCK U SOROS GLOBALISTS! I KNO DA TRUF!
>This is what happens when a little underage sperglord like yourself takes /pol/ ironic shitposting seriously. You are a walking, talking example of Poe's law.

Your denial is astonishing the evidence is right there >>8612918


And here:
Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), then representing the Clinton-Gore administration as U.S undersecretary of state for global issues, addressing the same Rio Climate Summit audience, agreed: “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” (Wirth now heads the U.N. Foundation which lobbies for hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to help underdeveloped countries fight climate change.)

Also speaking at the Rio conference, Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick,said: “A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”

In 1988, former Canadian Minister of the Environment, told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

In 1996, former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev emphasized the importance of using climate alarmism to advance socialist Marxist objectives: “The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.”

IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer, speaking in November 2010, advised that: “…one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth…”

>>8600196
Christ, you're naive and ignorant. A veritable useful idiot. Do you really think that by labeling something "conspiratorial" it renders it false?

I hope you're aware that the U.N. has had a long-term goal of real powers of global governance. Sorry buddy, calling that conspiratorial doesn't make that fact go away.

And yes, the United Nations wants to redistribute global money. Pic related.

Original Language:
"Climate Policy Redistributes World Wealth"

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nzz.ch%2Fklimapolitik-verteilt-das-weltvermoegen-neu-1.8373227&edit-text=&act=url

>>8577670
Pretend thread with the inevitable final ad hominem which is stock'n'trade of warmist ideology.

I will credit the paid shills, in that they always try to put the last word in these threads. Thus, this false description. Must be nice to get paid to help the Soros' Global Agenda.

Let the warmist ad hominem begin.

>>8383118
>- most politicians are doing everything they can to downplay AGW because that's where the votes and industry money is.
Huh? Are you serious? The president declared Climate Change/AGW a major security threat. John Kerry harps on it every day. So does HRC. And what of all these buddies of yours?

An assumption of an essentially tightly contiguous causal relationship, like your graphs imply is ridiculous. No one would make such an assumption about a very complex dynamical system; unless their salary depends on making the argument "Its not the sun or the oceans, so it must be CO2 !!!!!"

Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), then representing the Clinton-Gore administration as U.S undersecretary of state for global issues, addressing the same Rio Climate Summit audience, agreed: “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” (Wirth now heads the U.N. Foundation which lobbies for hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to help underdeveloped countries fight climate change.)

Also speaking at the Rio conference, Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick,said: “A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”

In 1988, former Canadian Minister of the Environment, told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

In 1996, former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev emphasized the importance of using climate alarmism to advance socialist Marxist objectives: “The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.”

http://www.thegwpf.com/ipcc-official-climate-policy-is-redistributing-the-worlds-wealth/

Thoughts on this?

>>8075061
> Believe me when I say you have nothing to show me that I haven't already seen
> My fingers are stuck in my ears, my eyes are shut, and I am singing "la, la, la."
Yup, nothing but pure, unpoliticized science.

>>8002635
It not about the money.
The U.N. doesn't want $Billions or even $Trillions.

>>7974977
>>7973229
-cont.
This is what it's really about;
>>7972819
>>7972833 .
$trillions for U.N. thieves. And paid shills to help their stealing.

>>7961989
>> Watch me play dumb
>> Can you explain exactly what the last sentence has to do with the argument above?

Again, Pretending you didn't make a sloppy version of that argument. Sorry, check the references to your own statements and paper you referred to here: >>7964106

>As I have already pointed out, your isolated noise says nothing

And "isolated noise" what a joke. That's not noise and you know it. It's far too regular in its cycle (consistent 9 month lag or so). Let me guess, the pause was noise, but the latest El Nino wasn't weather, its climate? Right?

You guys are so disingenuous.

As expected, the warmist got caught making a bogus statement that is also discussed (and dishonestly defended) on the alarmist web site, http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/09/el-ninos-effect-onco2-causes-confusion/

That argument was thoroughly debunked here:
>>7961580
>>7961584
>>7961591

So the paid shill doubles down on the denying of making said argument. Too bad, its all there. BTW, paid shill, I've noticed your usual gambit when you get nailed with a self-contradictory/false/inconsistent argument. You do the dishonest whine of "you've mixed things up, blah, blah, blah."

You're not fooling anyone except yourself. Enjoy your paychecks.

>>7744946
>>>7744917
>>Is there a solid evidence for global warming at all?
>Yes, but you're not going to find in on 4chan.
>Check the actual IPCC reports, they're pretty readable.

>IPCC
>Science

No one born after 1995 has ever experienced global warming.

>>7675862
>boogey man and santa claus?
No, realpolitik.

>>7633292
>Even a simple google search would show you a vast amount of money invested into denying human effected climate change, and by extension global warming, is derived from coal mining and oil groups....

>its the evil oil company conspiracy.
Yeah, its not like the United Nations wants your money.

>>7622245
Its a hell of a lot more lucrative that publishing evil denier research.

You guys have nothing but ad hominem and appeals to authority. Its pathetic, you can't mount single, substantive counter-argument based on logic and facts.

>>7586579
Without a doubt, one of the greatest scientific frauds ever. Look at this.
Renowned physicist, Hal Lewis resigns from the American Physical Society.
Why, you ask?

>It is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist.

http://www.principia-scientific.org/top-us-scientist-resigns-admitting-global-warming-a-big-scam.html

>>7526591
>climatology is a modern authoritarian ideology.

FTFY