/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12338922
>You still know the meaning of those thoughts, but they can't be communicated.

This and contrary to what OP thinks, this is the best way to generate and conceptualize abstract ideas/concepts

Its just up to you to then decipher that into words, with our limited vocabulary.

You may come up with some concept or idea entirely without inner monologue, and try to find the right words to describe it to others only to find the very same concept/idea exists in another language with its very own word https://hifisamurai.github.io/lexicography/ but nothing in your language

Thus proving that language is not responsible for generating complex abstractions, only for the communicating and sharing of them.

>>12085168
Hmm you may be right.

I actually tried meditation many times before but never stuck with it so I remember when I would do it back when I still only thought in unsymbolized form I would find it relatively easy to focus and concentrate on my breathing or on nothing in particular and never had the issue I read others had of having to silence the "inner voice" or "inner critic" or "monkey mind" to me those at most would be feelings and unsymbolized thoughts which were much easier to put aside and not so distracting as subvocalization is.

Then fast forward a few years and I try meditation again and have those very same issues I remember reading about, unable to silence that monkey mind, constant subvocalization of nothing in particular or just getting lost in daydreams so easily and spontaneously.

I'm gonna try it again and see what happens, its definitely going to be more difficult to stick with it, though at least now I know that meditation is about returning to your object of focus after being distracted by your mind and noticing that. I never learned this because I basically never got that distracted once I started a session and began focusing on my breath.. I'd really like to experience that level of meditation again.

Now I also want to ask OP if he's reading this- if he recently started meditation too and that's why he's now able to think in unsymbolized/thought structure/images as well, or if he did something else to sort of trigger that change in thought processes

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>>11896991
>I can't imagine solving some math or logical problems without walking through it verbally in my head
I suspect this could be a factor for my abysmal performance in math when I was in school - being neither able to visually see and keep solid any numbers or equations in my head and their operations in my minds eye, nor able to verbally "talk myself through" a math problem, relying solely on this internal unsymbolized/conceptual framework that is perhaps inadequate when it comes to application. Though this may not be the sole factor cause I remember reading about people who just look at a mathematical equation and instantly "know" the answer, without being able to explain quite how they got to it because their brains did all the work in the background. Maybe a different manifestation of unsymbolized thinking - not sure.