/sci/ - Science & Math

Even if we grant that a first cause exists, it makes no sense to assume that it is any kind of god, let alone Yahweh. The idea of an intelligent, universe-creating god "just existing" is far more difficult to explain than the universe itself "just existing". Intelligence is one of the most complex things we are aware of in the universe. To assume the existence of a being who is so intelligent that it can design an entire universe, as well as micromanage the personal lives of billions of people on earth through prayer, would require an enormous amount of explanation.
Christians try to avoid this issue by saying "God does not need a cause because He is outside of time." This is a glib non-answer. If all that is required to get around the first cause argument is an entity that exists outside of time, then all we need to do is postulate a single particle that exists outside of time and triggered the Big Bang. It need not have any additional powers. Besides, this particle might even exist, depending on how you define "outside of time." Photons, light particles, do not experience time, since they move at the speed of light. Therefore, according to this argument, light can pop into existence without cause.
Theists will object that this particle should have a cause. But they have already refuted this argument by granting that there exists an uncaused cause in the first place. If God can exist without a cause, why not a particle? Why not the universe?

Hey guys I was just passing by the neighborhood when suddenly I dropped this and...

OOPS

>>2051062
> believe it because it makes me / families /etc.. happy

are you on crack? That's some fine cherry-picking, you know? Op, I want you to look at this image, and save it, and look at it again later, if you're serious about this topic. I want you to read all of it, and then truthfully and wholeheartedly say "it makes me happy". You're lying to yoursef. You WANT it to make you happy, there's alot of shit covering it, you know?

I would ask him to explain all of the loopholes in the Bible.

I haven't read the bible because I am not a faggot. So someone mind telling me the accuracy of this chart?

How many times must it be said:

Science does not seek to prove the absence of God; Science attempts to answer questions of the universe without relying on the answer "God did it." In attempts to explain the how and why, there has been no actual evidence in favor of the existence of God that can be scientifically quantified.

If anything, it is the mere absence of evidence necessary to answer certain questions that many christfags use as evidence that God does exist. As a result, you basically end up with the prosecutor's position in a Phoenix Wright game. "I don't have evidence against him doing it, therefore he must be the culprit."

enjoy

Christians. If there is a god, then why isn't there a god?
Athiests: 9000
Christfags: 0

here take this pamphlet

I like this explanation too.

>>1193680
TYPICAL. IGNORANT. CHRISTFAGS.

is this it?

Take this and get out of here.

>>1042974
so then u can explain to me why the bible tells us how to beat our slaves, or that its ok to beat ur kids with a rod cuz doing that wont kill them, or that god tells us not to kill and stuff like that, but ends up doing all of that himself anyways?

>>963986

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