/sci/ - Science & Math

>>3982880
The technology:
http://techland.time.com/2011/04/06/spacexs-falcon-heavy-most-powerful-private-rocket-ever/
http://www.universetoday.com/73536/nasa-considering-rail-gun-launch-system-to-the-stars/
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article4799369.ece
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43451526/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/nasa-selects-new-heavy-lift-r
ocket-say-sources/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/24/skylon_esa_report/

The will:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bIQLiKi3g
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/02/lord-british-wants-to-take-you-to-space-and-hes-closer-th
an-you-think.ars/3
http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2011/04/26/elon-musk-we-can-put-a-man-on-mars-in-10-years/
http://www.gamefront.com/john-carmack-helps-make-space-travel-more-affordable/
http://www.virgingalactic.com/

Probably. Zubrin isn't a nutjob or anything. He's entirely sound but as usual nobody worth anything gets funded.

>>3500473
>1. rovers CAN do all the science
The most distance one rover has traveled has been about 20 miles. It cannot upturn boulders, it cannot descend into lava tubes to check for microbes, and we cannot witness the effects of those relatively harsh environments on humans, or rather, how effective our shielding is.

>2. yeah, why would we go to a planet like mars that's constantly bombarded with radiation instead of staying on a nice planet like ours

Pussy.
Besides, this can be changed.

>3. ok, then say you want to go to Mars because it's awesome, not because there's some scientific reason for going there
No.1 and 2

>I am a fatalist emo teen. Everyone's the same kind of scum I am. People are all bad, humanity is evil, nature is balace & good

Faster-than-light travel, like most things you see in science-fiction, is a lot like a religion for nerds who won't give up their dreams of being Shepard and saving the galaxy.

First there was Miguel Alcubierre with the alcubierre drive, then it turned out that it required either an already-existing 'bubble', or tracks to be laid down subluminally. Then Hawking goes off to prove that any FTL spaceship/time machine must require negative energy densities, which are quite impossible to obtain because they are instantly supressed. Consider it a loan you must repay several times over within the second of taking it.

Then there were Kip Thorne's wormholes, and, what do you guess? When a wormhole pair is inflated one mouth has to be dragged to the other end -- Subluminally. Go anywhere above 74% of c, and the difference in relativistic time dilation between the two will pop your dear balls of warped spacetime.

Then along came quantum entanglement -- And boo hoo, it can only send randomness.

The last bastion for Faster-than-light travel is Heim Theory.

>>2971510

We could've gone to Mars 50 years ago.

http://www.astronautix.com/craft/vonn1969.htm

>>2918030
2050 -
0.2c to a star 35 ly away. Costs up to 500 billion dollars. Transports about a couple hundred people. Takes 175 years to arrive.

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Get bots to create factories for materials on Phobos or Deimos, start creating reflective material. Have groun base and orbiting base looking over early beginnings of project. As atmosphere pressurizes, temperature rises, seas begin to form, ship more people out.
Begin seeding of engineered oxygen-producing powerhouse algae over much of the terrain while the atmosphere is still climbing in pressure.
Within 175 years you could have a 400 millibar 30% oxygen/50% nitrogen/20% CO2 atmosphere. By then we'll likely have technologies to speed up the conversion of that remaining CO2 into breathable atmosphere. All within a couple of centuries.

>>2875744

Jupiter is smalltime. Zubrin is a BADASS.

Zubrin > All the planets in this stinking solar system

>>2835408
>implying I had the idea first

"Needs more terraforming."

>my phrase gets googled by billions of people
>I just doubled the terraform Mars fanbase

>>2741164

>implying he didn't work on the Voyager probes

>>2641552

Nice texture pack for the tools, so I'm going to have to second the request.

After all I just built a glass bridge between two mountains and would like it to look classy.

>>2614684
You guys planned to have a man on Mars in 1981.
You guys planned to have a base on Mars in 1988.
If children were born on Mars in ~1992, they would've been graduating high school this year.

>>2606392

>>2575100

Are you seriously stupid enough to think FTL travel is the only way to travel among the stars?

Moreover, are you stupid enough to think we have to come screeching across the light years to find an Earth-like planet? We have a very good solar system, thank you very much.

Tellus/Luna/Sol master race

>>2520118
>you still don't have a way to even get to mars

>>2500267
>What we SHOULDN'T do is spend billions of dollars and millions of man-hours sending three chucklefucks to Mars to prance around for two hours and then come back. That's a PR stunt, not science.

What. They can't even do that. They would have to stay or two years creating the propellant required for the return journey, and also their quick transfer window would've closed.

>>2464484

2001 wasn't the timeless classic I expected, so that kinda slowed down my Clarke-reading and made me read others. Still have to pick up Rendezvous some day.

>>2464486

Personal.

>>2464492

Still haven't read.

>>2464495

>sagé

Subtle bump?

>>2320012

>>2261211

>mfw someone else is posting the Zubrin video

"We are going to go to Mars. And go back. By dinner time. Or I will fucking kill you all."

Damn you [>>2232282] beat me to it!

Well time to start dumping.