/sci/ - Science & Math

>>3679423
>shit will run out in just a few decades
HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

everything else you said might be completely factual, but that one statement just...i don't know man. can you BE that dumb?

>>3678656
>token funding
it got funding AT ALL?
wow, that's more love than i expected from congress over a decade

>>3676578
the fact is, nuclear is politically incorrect in japan now.
every other day some new radiation scare pops up in the tokyo newspapers
>new study finds tap water ten times more radioactive than normal! is it safe to drink!? are our governments lying to us!?
this is to somehow imply "ten times normal" = "anything even close to what your body would respond to"

>radioactive beef from the fukushima area! it could be anywhere!
There was an actual mixup here. some cows were contaminated by the disaster and had to be killed, in addition to the wheat that got a very fine sprinkling with shit.
i believe some wheat got through the quarantine and some cows ate it, and became very mildly contaminated themselves because of it. not THAT much but still outside safety limits. This resulted in a huge stink about in competent health and safety people.

and then every other week the papers run a new story
>is [X] radioactive!? more on page 11

it's basically political suicide to anything other than bash nuclear power. thanks mass media you're a real pal

hey, quit hatin' on solar power.

it has more potential than LFTR in the very long run
it's just that focusing all efforts on it right now in the hopes of some major breakthrough is a fucking stupid idea.

>>3676509
i was wondering who would break down first in that argument.
sorry lucas, you're the idiot here.

>>3676278
chin's putting 2 billion per year into lftr alone, and forcing mining companies to filter out and isolate any thorium in their metals.

it's going to happen

i'm just terrified we (the us) will not get there first, foreign nuclear dependence and all that.
then again it'd be fun to do what they're done to every intellectual property ever. fucking steal it

>>3676233
i can't imagine it exploding very much
there's nothing to explode inside secondary containment since nothing is under pressure or particularly flammable.

now, uranium hexafluoride could be pretty nasty shit, but there are pretty standard safety systems to deal with that, and it's easy to keep fuel reprocessing systems isolated from eachother.

>>3676225
i've been wondering this too, but it's not exclusive to the left.

i think it's the same reason people have a subconscious fear of flying in an airplane, but will get in their car every day to go to work. Statistically, the car is orders of magnitude more likely to get you killed than the plane ride.

I think it's something to do with a human tendency to focus on exceptions or rarities. Exotic or rare threats are terrifying. common threats are almost ignored.

going ONLY by this, nuclear power is probably the safest power production method ever.

>>3676208
it's mechanically unproven. most of the fundamentals have been worked out and documented by MRSE, but we haven't really made a commercial power generation model yet.
also the active fuel reprocessing could turn out to be a real bitch to make work.

it's pretty damn safe, but the actual fuel running through it WILL be intensely radioactive due to u232 contamination that builds up over time. a good secondary containment almost eliminates this problem, but it's still a thing to keep in mind

aside from that.....uh....i got nothing

>>3676190
we have tons of viable waste storage sites.
i've never heard a legitimate complaint against yucca mountain. what the fuck are you worried about? ground water contamination though fucking 6 feet of glass and steel around EACH fuel rod cask?

>>3673996
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH9Wlwno2wc&feature=player_embedded#!
the very high production value of that video has me worried as to their claims
but it seems kind of legit.
500 traditional windmills? i'd put money on it being more like 20

>>3673959
>Fukushima was in for a safety upgrade within the year of the disaster.
daichi 1 was due for decommissioning about two weeks after the disaster occurred
two fucking weeks

>>3673929
>Chernobyl was a human error caused by foolishness,
more like a series of errors compounding over and over again, errors that and competent plant manager would have immediately called quits on instead of going further.

also, RMBKs are _fucking_stupid_

woah, nuclear thread without me? come on /sci/

are people still praising LFTR as the second coming without realistically addressing the downsides again? that's never fun

damnit mad
you and these threads
where's my internet enabled hampture observing drone

oh, also, the primary motivation for this kind of super stimulus would be to give the economy a temporary electric shock to get funds moving again very rapidly, such that businesses would be able to pay off their respective debts and go back into the classical economic profit seeking mode, and thus grow, produce more jobs, ect.

>>3548081
i'm not much of a keynesian fan either, but something strange struck me about the person putting forth this theory i'm talking about

he actually supported reaganomics, which for anyone even near keynesian economics, is like giving satan a blowjob.
He posits that the reagan situation was a supply side problem, and thus a supply side solution solved it.

unfortunately this is a demand side problem, and again he argues that the government (in this case the "Borrower of last resort") needs to take out an enormous loan on this pile of money that isn't going anywhere, and stick it directly back into the demand side of the economy.

also, isn't china blowing a massive bubble less a problem with the method so much as china being fucking stupid?

>>3547845
problem is, most of that debt is for projects or services which don't really feed back into the economy all that much, at least that's what i'm getting

>>3547541
oh
whops

/sci/; economics time.

i'd just come across and interesting economic theory regarding the current american recession, which coincidentally aligns with the Japanese recession of the 1990s

here's the story;
following an asset boom and bust (in america's case, the housing boom and bust), businesses divert from the classical economic form of being profit seeking entities, and instead go into "debt crisis mode", since usually their balance sheets are under water. the objective becomes to pay off any debts they can and not make ANY loans.

as such, money starts piling up in banks and the federal reserve, and it sits there since everyone's terrified of the word "loan" now, at least in a general sense. As such, the overall velocity of money decreases, and everything associated with that follows suit.

the solution? the government (or possibly a large aggregate of businesses) become the "borrowers of last resort", borrowing from this enormous pile of stale cash, giving the entire economy a huge slap in the face and a wakeup call.

it's decidedly kaynsean, but Obama's stimulus of the past few years was actually far too small going by this model, and as such it made very little difference. this kind of stimulus would need to be massive and wide reaching, increasing buying confidence by a huge margin all across the board.

has anyone else heard of this? it's a fascinating theory. And china actually employed it as of last year, and it worked! they are officially no longer in a recession. Of course half the reason it worked is because of the authoritarian government holding a gun to everyone's heads and saying "SPEND NOW", which will not fly in the USA....so it'd probably need to be modified for a free market.

>>3537506
really? i thought they were a lot faster on average
oh well, good for us

>>3537403
SOHO is such a bro, seriously, that poor guy gets sunbaked daily.

also, coronal mass ejections generally take, what, 28 hours or so to get here?

i think the emergency protocols are to disconnect any and all long distance power lines from any substations. the power lines act as enormous radio antennas and generate massive voltage potentials, knocking out substations on either end and destroying parts that take months to rebuild.

however, 28 hour warning is more than enough to prepare.

>>3537343
but thankfully it doesn't effect electronics very much, or at least the bad but not really bad ones do

i hope those decay rate observation guys are paying attention.
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/august/sun-082310.html
if this is right, high neutrino flux density may just slow down radioactive decay rate by some small level

>>3536652
yyyyyyyyyyyyup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ5h1tnEIWM#t=39s