/lit/ - Literature

One strong point of translation is that it's required to make a little bit of sense, which is not always the case with source text of such folks as Hegel or Derrida.
Not to say they write nonsense. It's just that their source text are up for debate whereas the target texts will have a ready footing on debates taken place. In practice there are many (part time, at least) 'dark philosophers'.

To say, it is a pity there is no market for thing as a translation between on single language ('paraphrase').

Imagine how the throngs of scholars would improve on, say, Shakespeare or, say, Burns.

Of course most commonly the translator will work on a case by case basis. The meaning and the size of a "case" is naturally open to debate. In classical scriptures especially the meaning of translation boils down to cherrypicking what has been done and has been debated ad nauseam before.
Source texts like this have been improved on by layers to the point where the translation, bluntly spoken, is superior to the source.

What kind of translation do you prefer?
Because there are so many ways to look at translation I have prepared two polls for you to vote on . Be so kind.

https://strawpoll.com/7MZ0AqLYwyo

https://strawpoll.com/QrgebO81RZp

>Age
modernism
>Sex
overrated
>Sexuality
female
>Height
~dwarf
>Weight
auschwitz
>Ethnicity
kike
>Location (mention your state too)
So weit die deutsche Zunge klingt
Und Gott im Himmel Lieder singt:
>Hobbies
reading
>Shit ya dont like
online dating

>De Rerum Naturae (3)
>De Senectute (19,20)
>Aeneid (~line 7??)
>Τὰ εἰς ἑαυτόν
>Cмepть Ивaнa Ильичa
>Die Welt als Wille und Vorstellung (Ueber den Tod und sein Verhältniß zur Unzerstörbarkeit unsers Wesens an sich)
>Freud - Unbehagen i.d.K.
>Nietzsche - Morgenröthe (72)
>Двe cмepти
>Montaigne (Coustume de l'Isle de Cea, Apologie de Raimond Sebond, De fuir les voluptés au prix de la vie)
>Oб иcтиннoй жизни
if christfag:
>Sancta Biblia (Sancta!)
>Consolatio Philosophiae

>>3368041
yes. So Brecht - that's brecht
http://teachers.srqk12.net/ssDocuments/1418/brecht%20street%20scene.pdf
from actors he only demands they know a little history.
Boal demands nothing. His training is provocation; you're being demeaning till they would defy you

>>3366610
I frankly find all this emphasis on money very distasteful because it is so obvious.

>Israeli politics
pic related

>>3367638
>intonation (as I am not a native speaker)
nobody is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPlpphT7n9s

>>3367665
Meyerhold drilling was about being an acrobat and being able to cry on command. You're ought to be pupper-master of your body. And the absurd impro training is his work as well - pretend to be a tree, pretend to be a fire, pretend to be a lantern etc.
Vakhtangov demanded to imagine the whole scene; to read a text until you understand it well enough to be ironic.
That french dude, Delsarte I think, is what you today would only see in an opera. He did demand to understand the text and feel the act but most of it were poses and moves such as when to cast down your eyes, how to display generosity, how to display dispair; it's what the modernist blokes tried to topple.
The two directors with a socialist twist are brecht and boal. are you still there?

>>3367510
it is a sockpuppet. and it's inane

>Heideggerian Jews
As for Heideggerian Jews there's one I know - Hannah Arendt. She didn't support any terrorists but she did defend certain a nazi academic while laying the blame (along with insults in her personal letters) on the Galitsian Ghetto jews.
There's little room for terrorism in the moral philosophy of a German burgher twit from Koenigsberg, though.

>>3367480
...those are the basics.
>>3367466
>Meisner
one of the American Method Acting gurus. there's also Lee Strasberg and some woman I forgot.
They're all as good but mostly it's about new games or the proper interpretations of Stanislavsky (PBUH). Back in the day it was in high fashion with hollywood starlets; hence the variety of schools.
>On the Art of the Stage
never heard of that one, strangely. His most famous work is the work of an actor on himself but before you plunge into Stanislavsky you should have an idea about the other Russian modernist theoriticians, bout the other extremes; about the school of that frenchman that was in high fashion until the advent of modernism.
read brecht's street scene, for a change.

there's stanislavsky and meyerhold
there is Gozzi and Goldoni

Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1

>>2163025
exemplum in contrarium?

>>2162125
if only Rilke lived longer, if there was no communism in Russia there would be no poets who weren't fascists because the fascists were the only folks who still could enjoy their poetry. In the west they had the Happy New Consumerism and in the East they had the Bolsheviks forcefully removing all what was left of the 'outlived era'.
Lenin proclaimed cinema the the most important of all artss; hollywood prooved it was the most important of all arts and only jaded fascists would still be reciting poetry.
Mayakovsky and the OBERIUites were devouring poetry and making fun of it and even they were soon to be removed for a strictly instrumental approach to the poet as the songwriter for patriotic cinema; The only reason poetry survived in the west is that it was important to support everything the Soviets oppressed. "look how we still venerate our Tsvetayevas and Mandelshtams and OUR Joseph Brodskiy!"
Now that the nescessity to be anti-soviet has ceased the western arts are robbed of their raison d'étre.
Enjoy the hollowminded hipsters in the ruins!

>>2162703
you'll be the first against the well when the wall street proletariate takes it to the american equivalent of smolniy, bro.
the bad thing about israel is that it finished what hitler had started, it destroyed the cosmopolitan aire of jewish culture.
the good thing about it that it soaked up all the most abominable nazi jews from all over the world. hence in england they are voting labour and in murrica for democrats.

>>2149011
>At worst, he'll get creative.
the worst option possible, mind you. deprived of his masturbatory appendage the boorish wanker would be reduced to a tripfag on /lit/.

>>2148970
op is enjoying his adhd; start a thread on duties so that we could wallow in yours.

>>2148945
he writes in russian but it's mostly a calque from computer game english.

I liked the selfrighteous anger in villon, and i was moved by Akhmatova's Реквием and Поэма Без Героя. Мандельштам's two late known poems did seem quite powerful as well.
Aristotle says a fine play has to be grounded in history. He must be right; to me it is the awareness of a poet's fate that does make his writings most vivid. I liked die Todesfuge by Paul Celan.
the last time i cried was בײַ גאָט פֿרעגט מען ניט קײן שאלות; it is an alcoholic's litany; the artist performing on my record happened to be an eastern european cantor who had lost everything by 1945. my record was his very last work; a concert performed for a bunch of aged seniles in tel aviv.
he lost his family, he lost his public. the drunken free verse seemed to be taylored for him and I was moved.

I liked the selfrighteous anger in villon, and i was moved by Akhmatova's Реквием and Поэма Без Героя. Мандельштам wrote some fine stuff as well.
Aristotle says a fine play has to be grounded in history. He must be right; to me it is the awareness of a poet's fate that does make his writings most vivid to me. I liked die Todesfuge by Paul Celan.
the last time i cried was בײַ גאָט פֿרעגט מען ניט קײן שאלות; it is an alcoholic's litany; the artist performing on my record happened to be an eastern european cantor who lost his family and family to the second world war. by the time he made the record he was performing for senile old folks in tel aviv, living in loneliness and squalour: i was moved.