/lit/ - Literature

>>5703808
Uh, I dont know. Thats a tough one. Its never a good idea to try and summarize Wittgenstein. With regards to Mathematics, he just kind of works through particular questions and topics slowly and thoroughly. I think Wittgenstein is famous for writing like that, but with regarding to mathematics he takes it to a whole new level.

>>5703809

Yeah sure.

>>5703783

Its on libgen dot org. The PDF I have is pretty slick. If you dont have any luck with libgen, email me and Ill give you a dropbox link.

>>5703743

I have a PDF of the big typescript if youd like it. I havent read it myself, but I have read other books translated from the same source material.

Middle period Wittgenstein is my favorite. I recall the SEP of Wittgenstein's philosophy of Math quoting Wittgenstein saying that his philosophy of mathematics was his greatest contribution. I basically agree.

>>5703751

Whatever. It doesnt matter.

>>5703697

I dont have books or page numbers. But I do recall:

0. Wittgenstein giving an example of a man following blowing leaves around, and asking if the direction he is running at all determined, or if he is deciding his direction. Anscombe mentions it in 'Intention'.

1. Multiple times at least, Wittgenstein remarks that 'it must end somewhere'. I recall him mentioning memory, and logical deductions being like that. That one is simply at the mercy of these 'bottoms'.

>>5703657

>Again he never talked about [free will]

He most certainly talked about it.

>>5703574
Im >>5703605

Wittgenstein really avoided addressing -isms and predefined theses. In the tractatus he only references Russell, Moore, and Frege, who were people he knew personally (for example, he got in trouble for having no citations in the Tractatus). I can recall some exceptions, but it would be misleading to say he commented on these things, but rather mentioned them in making a separate point.

>Nihilism
I have no recollection of him mentioning Nihilism

>Free Will
You could roughly say Wittgenstein was a determinist.

>Abrahamic Religions
He seemed to respect them in his personal life, though he never commented on them in philosophical writing. I recall hearing that he was giving out some christian text from Tolstoy during his time in WWI.

>Life after death
No comment that I am aware of, but I heard he talks about death in Notebooks (one of the few books from Wittgenstein I havent read).

>Greeks
I recall him only mentioning Socrates once in his writing, and it was just to criticize a single comment.

>>5703642

I wasnt a part of the first one. The one we finished was in irc.freenode #4chanWittgenstein.

Well that was a solid meeting!

We agreed to meet next week to discuss two essays by Quine (Two Dogmas on Empiricism, and On What There Is).

Same time and channel! 6PM GMT / #4chanWittgenstein on irc freenode

>>5535533

Hey Jack,

Sorry, I dont have a log from meeting 4 on account of my IRC client issues. I dont remember what we talked about after you left.

Bump

12 hours until Meeting 5

Hey /lit/

Tomorrow is the last meeting of our Wittgenstein reading group. We are going to discuss the end bit of Wittgenstein's On Certainty in irc.freenode #4chanWittgenstein tomorrow (Oct 5) at 6pm GMT.

Also, come if you are interested in participating in some future philosophy. It looks like we are going to continue on before On Certainty into some other material. The direction of the group isnt decided yet, and that too is something we will discuss tomorrow.

Welp, Meeting 4 finished.

Next week is our last of On Certainty. If you are coming next week please read sections 551 through 676.

Pooka brought up the idea of continuing on with some other material, such as Remarks on Colour. I am definitely down. Id like to see our little group grow and evolve.

Like always if you have any agenda items for next meeting. feel free to email me.

>>5496763
Were reading On Certainty, this week we are discussing sections 401 to 550

Hey guys,

We have out wittgenstein reading group going on in about 8 hours. We are meeting at 6pm GMT in irc.freenode.net #4chanWittgenstein. Here is the pastebin of last meeting if you are interested: http://pastebin.com/ffgZXkFf..

The meeting completed a few hours ago. Here is the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/ffgZXkFf

It was our longest meeting yet. We are putting off the after session material 'On Sense and Reference' off another week since we were all pretty tired by the end of today's meeting.

>>5465937
AightM8.

bump, we are at it right now.

Welp, good night. Seeya tomorrow if you are interested.

oops, the agenda is supposed to count to 4.

Item 0: Section 319 Rules and Empirical Propositions
Item 1: Sections 347 - 352
Item 2: Section 360+ Knowledge as a decision
Item 3: Section 383 Can ‘meaning’ be dreamt?
Item 4: Section 392 and 253 Knowledge as a more basic object than belief

Hey /lit/

Tomorrow (sept 21st) is the third meeting of our Wittgenstein reading group. We are meeting at 6pm GMT in irc freenode #4chanWittgenstein. Feel free to come by and join the discussion. We are working our way through Wittgenstein's On Certainty. This meeting we are going over sections 251 - 400. Ive gotten some emails and messages for some agenda items. Thanks to those of you who contributed agenda items. Below is the current agenda, which will likely be edited at the beginning of meeting 3

Item 0: Section 319 Rules and Empirical Propositions
Item 1: Sections 347 - 352
Item 2: Section 360+ Knowledge as a decision
Item 1: Section 383 Can ‘meaning’ be dreamt?
Item 2: Section 392 and 253 Knowledge as a more basic object than belief

Hey /lit/

Just a reminder of the third meeting of our Wittgenstein Reading group coming up at 6pm GMT on september 21. We are meeting in irc.freenode #4chanWittgenstein to discuss sections 251 to 400 of Wittgenstein's On Certainty.

Also for anyone interested, we are doing some option extra reading of Frege's 'On Sense and Reference' to be discussed after sunday's meeting.

bumpin

Cool. So we finished meeting 2 about 30 minutes ago. It went on four almost two hours, and we didnt even get to the after session material 'On Sense and Reference'

Here is a pastbin of today's meeting:
http://pastebin.com/wKbhFCnG

Next meeting is Sept 21st at 6pm GMT. We are reading On Certainty sections 251 to 400.

>>5431988
Ive read these from Frege

On Sense and Reference
Begriffsschrift
Concept and Object
Function and Concept
Foundations of Arithmetic

Its hard for me not to consider Freges contributions as philosophical. Its true that he was a mathematician, and he only tried to talk about math and logic, but he contributed to a philosophic field. He cant claim innocence from philosophic mistake.

I consider Frege brilliant nonetheless. Brilliant and mistaken are not mutually exclusive.

Bump. We are starting to get fired up.

>>5431329

In what way are those hugely positive?

I tried to study the ontological commitment. It didnt make any sense to me. I am not convinced it actually makes any sense.

I read his book 'Web of Beliefs'. I thought it was awful. I dont like the way he writes either. Its like he is technical in all the wrong places.