/lit/ - Literature

>>17635313
That is neither here nor there. You didn't read my post closely. Shouldn't have spent more time reading instead of playing videogames. Single-player games are not interactive, they just provide the illusion of interactivity. Everything is scripted, there is a finite number of ways to play a game, even in sandbox games, players have similar experiences.

>>17633414

was gonna post something similar, but you beat to it. The thing is that coding is an esoteric art form. Appreciating it is like appreciating the reasoning in a legal case, or how a mechanic appreciates the engine of a car.

>>17633297
I was referring to their comeback in the 3D form in recent years, like prey: moon crash. (I am not a videogame buff, though I enjoy them) Still, I stand by what I said. Roguelike games are something unique to the medium of videogames. All other genres were pre-existing in some way or another.
The greatest problem with the medium is that it's stagnant. Companies just bloat games with more content and hide their lack of originality with better graphics. Look at the GTA series, their last leap forward was GTA3. After that it's just better graphics, better mechanics, more content. Nothing new from a gameplay perspective.
I think games have the potential to be great art, but it will not be a narrative medium. I think aesthetic games will be more like a painting than a novel. Every Friday night I smoke a joint and play free roam through AC Unity's Paris or RDR2 Wild West, and the feeling is quite unique, a combination of melancholy for a time I will never know combined with a dizzying sense of freedom that one might feel when he is living at the crossroads of history. I can't get this from a book or from movie, but it's unrelated to storytelling.

>>17632337
the best film will never surpass a good novel. Videogames can tell a good story, but they will never be through gameplay alone, it will borrow either from film (cutscenes) or from literature (text). The closest you can get to tell a story through the "unique characteristics of the medium" is environmental storytelling, but even one could argue that it borrows from visual arts and film. You can't tell a story through mechanics alone, but you can use mechanics to help further a story. You have a game like Hades, but you don't play it for 20 hours to learn what Camus is saying in an essay that you can read in 2, you play it because it's fun.
Personally, I don't see we will see some very good and original stories in games any time soon. Why? Because potential mechanics are finite as they boil down to: "defeat X", "Solve Y", "do Z". Look at all the good stories in games, the ones that are furthered by the gameplay mechanics and you will see that they are strikingly similar. In RPGs, you start out as a little shit and then gather enough resources to defeat BigEvil that was advertised in the beginning. The most interesting genre to appear in recent years where the roguelike games, and most of their stories are a rehashing of Camus' Abusrdism. Sure there are games with very interesting stories, like Dishonered, but the best parts are told through text, not gameplay or cutscenes.

>>17123625
Good advice, thanks a lot!
I was thinking of using billboards because my novel is a speculative fiction alt-history tale about my country becoming part of the Fascist Bloc. (Instead of the Soviet bloc)

Gonna go check the Amazon kdp communities. Thanks.

>>17123485
I was actually really lucky as my family is well-connected in the literary world in my home country. I managed to form a friendship with one of the big names in my country and he became my agent. I never published anything before, and this was a bit of an obstacle. A lot of the publishers rejected me at first, but my agent made me them sit down and read my book. Mind you, he made me rewrite it 10 times. And I don’t mean edit, I mean a 0 word count start to finish rewrite.

>>17123499
I am not allowed to publish any excerpts, be they in the original or in translation. But, I will publish excerpts throughout 2021 to promote my book.

My plan is to start an online publication and eventually my own publishing house through I will be able to promote /lit/ talent.

>>17123412
It has a dark academia aesthetic, so I am sure he will like it.

>>17123394
But is it a good idea to shill it here? Anons don’t really when people shill shit on /lit/ and I respect that. I already have my cover artist locked down (friend of mine) and it might be done. Problem is that due to the pandemic the publishing schedule has been delayed. Thus, my novel will most likely be published in 2022
Buying an add is a good idea.

After a lifetime (10 years actually, but it’s most of my life) of toil I’ve finally made it. We are all going to make it. I am so happy I could kiss each and every one of you.

I’ve been allotted €1k to do my own marketing. I was thinking of shilling it here but both my agent and editor advised me against it. I have no social media presence whatsoever.

Was thinking of going to purchase add space on billboards.

Any thoughts?

>inb4 readings and book signing
Both my agent and editor advised me against this due to corona Chan.

>>17117703
You post huge blocks of text, trying to sell me on Shakespeare, but I am already sold. I like Shakespeare. I won’t suck his like you do because I am not an Anglo. Maybe if we were in each other’s shoes I would be the one needlessly defending Shakespeare, and you would be the one trying to keep up with pasted green text.
Funny how you are imitating me, I know I’ve only been arguing with you.

>>17117737
Fitzgerald instead of Hemingway? I am too tired for another debate.

>>17116375
Can you describe what your sister likes to read? What is she like? But anyways:
1) Giovanni Papini’s “The Failure”
2) Eliade’s “Bengali Nights”
3) Some Kurt Vonnegut
4) Everything is illuminated
5) the king in yellow
6) 1984
7) Brave new world
8) a clockwork orange
9) Jane eyre
10) Lolita

After (4) I was just brainstorming, but I will stress that you have to meet her on terms. Does she have an interest in philosophy? If no, leave it be. You got her the memereader to encourage her to read, not read what you like.

>>17117307
A purposeful misreading of my post. Let us use Gass as our starting point:
>The true alchemists are those that transform the world into words.

Shakespeare was maybe the first to transform our interior worlds into words. That is why the romantics worshiped him and that is why moderns do so as well, because we are caught up in the individualism. No small feet.
But let us then look at Aeschylus, look how he transforms the neigh unexplainable process of how we went from vendettas to litigations. It is not the size of the subject-matter, but it’s complexity. Reading the Orestia can save one from having to read sociology, jurisprudence and history, but reading Shakespeare saves one from reading existential philosophy. Aeschylus characters are just as interesting as the Bard’s, and their discourses equally compelling. You called me a pig, but you arguments are built upon insults and fueled by your seething anger. My view, misguided as some might call it, is based upon a vast cultural baggage, a love of all the authors mentioned, whereas yours is based upon a ready-made idea fed to you by the current cultural zeitgeist.

>>17116799
Pseud that you are! “More or less the greatest dramatist of all time” I hope for your sake that you are ESL, because otherwise you’re IQ is room temperature at best. And you dare presume that I was filtered by Shakespeare? You say that Shakespeare is the best dramatist of all time, but In over 100 rambling words you fail to state a simple reason for why he is such. Let me do it for you: You believe that Shakespeare is the greatest dramatist of all time because he created modern man. He speaks to us like very few writers are able to do. But so does Montaigne, and he is more witty, Moliere is way more funnier and relevant, Tolstoy and Chekhov’s character are far more rounded. I appreciate him, and will never deny his influence upon the modern world, but I am not going to worship him like some pseud. Instead I will engage with him, wrestle with him, fuck in the ass and breed him with my seeds (as all great writers do).

>>17116815
It seems that you are wrong. I could write a treatise on why Aeschylus is better than Shakespeare, but a single sentence will suffice: Aeschylus deals with civilizations while Shakespeare deals with individuals. We can more easily imagine a singularity hive-mind enjoying Aeschylus than Shakespeare. By the time I read Aeschylus, I was already done with: Marlowe, Chekhov, Ionesco, Beckett, Shakespeare’s major plays, Pirandello, Caragiale, Oscar Wilde. And that is only in terms of theatre. Mind you I was one of those weird kids that I was reading Dante when I was 14, after having deduced his importance by reading Papini. Aeschylus was an eye-opener: while Shakespeare was drawing on a huge tradition, Aeschylus was forming it

>>17116696
No order, Aeschylus was just the first that came to me. I was 16yo when i read the Oresteia, and I remember thinking to myself: "shit, this is way better than shakespeare"

>>17116541
Hmmm... I got this one
1. Aeschylus
2. Horace
3. Sophocles
4. Cervantes
5. Tolstoy
6. Dante
7. Homer
8. Chekhov
9. Montaigne
10. Moliere

Some might say that Twain and Milton are better, and I would agree with them. Heck, even Chaucer is better than Shakespeare. But we have to admit that they weren't as influential as he was. Furthermore, it is hard to compare another anglo that came after him, because all owe a huge debt to Shakespeare.

The thing is that Shakespeare is easy to trump when you go at it pound for pound. He made up a lot of words, he reworked a lot of previous material, and most of his characters are kinda meh, but the great ones are really great.

>>17109539
>>17109124
You are acting in bad faith, Anon, and I can tell. There are at least 5 must read novels by any standard on that list. I would like to hear what your “must-read novels” are just so I can tell if you are a pseud or not.

>>17110939
I haven’t read him in English, but studied him as part of my Latin classes in high school. It would be dishonest not to recommend you pick up some Latin, and read him using a dictionary, maybe even side-by-side with an English translation.
>inb4 I don’t wanna learn Latin just to read Horace
Yes, but you’ll be able to read Cicero, Tacitus, Ovid and Virgil in the original, albeit with the crutches of a dictionary and a translation.

>>17104640
Merry Christmas, Butters

>>17049554
OP, first and foremost, the philosophy of law (jurisprudence) is one thing, the study of actual laws and regulations is another thing. From your comments, I understand that you want to understand the interplay between the two. To do so, you must have basic knowledge of the following areas of law: public Law (Constitutional law), the law of torts, the law of contracts, criminal law, land law (Gravells is a very good textbook), the laws of trusts, and some international law (EU Public law, international trade law, the laws of war, international criminal law, and the European Convention of Human Rights). Failure to have even basic knowledge of these areas will make you a pseudish reader of jurisprudence and will not help you achieve your goals.

My advice is to start with public law, as it is the most open-ended and it relies the most on jurisprudence. Once you are done with that, I highly recommend you go through pic related. It has a wide range of contributors and it is a good starting point for further reading. Only then, you will be able to read Carl Schmitt as an actual jurist.

If you want to see the interplay in action, make sure to read the judgments of all landmark cases. You will see how judges to reason and why they come to such and such conclusion. To have access to case law, you must buy a subscription to westlaw or LexisNexis.

I would say: "Hope this helps XD", but I know that this is the best reply ITT.

Good luck with your reading.
If you want to, we can stay in touch on discord, as I am preparing for a PhD programme and my thesis will be refutation of human rights.

>>17033417
>>17033434

>Some people (like translators for the UN, or this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioannis_Ikonomou)) knows dozens of languages, but it's hard to say how many they master. It's definitely possible to be very writer-level good in 10 languages, but that's a lifetime of work.

Mastering a romance language (Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, French, Romanian & dialects) will make learning the others considerably easier. Mutatis mutandis, this is true with germanic languages. So if you master French, German and English, you could get by with Dutch, Spanish, Italian, Yiddish, Portuguese, and Afrikaans.

I haven't had the pleasure of studying any Slavonic or Oriental tongues, so I don't know if this is applicable there. Yet, by befriending Indians and Pakistanis, I do know that there is a lot of overlap between their dialects.

So, to answer OP's question, I think one can master at least a dozen languages in a lifetime, but you have to be smart and consistent about it. You also have to think about your goals with each respective language, because reading is easier than writing, which in turn is easier than speaking.

>>16933048
love how you losers post trad girls that wear make-up, have had their lips done and they look at you with cock-hungry eyes.

>>16928610
that would be pretty based

>>16911345
JP is an academic who's never worked in an office. The problem with office jobs is that, especially as a junior, you have to do admin work fit for a monkey. When you get your hands on some managerial and/or executive power you really have to be smart and think on your feet at all times, that entailing that you'll have to come up with creative solutions.

>>16911365
No, he wasn't. He was a lawyer who coped by writing poetry. He was a top-tier executive, far from the regular 9-5. Stevens poetry is top-tier because he had a gift for it, but most of his life was spent at the office.

>>16911395
Can confirm this, I've been rejected by a few law firms for being too creative. They didn't phrase like that, they just said that I wouldn't be happy there. The second time it happened, I pressed on and asked that roastie from HR what's the real reason and she said: "Nobody here has time to read that pretentious crap you talked about in the interview". That pretentious crap was Cormac McCarthy. In a way, they did me a favor.

>>16902326
>>16902421

Basically what the anon above said, OP. My advice to you is to stop writing poetry in English if you are ESL. The words, images, figures of speech you use are so trite and overused that they are unfit even for irony. Your poetry sounds like a Rowan Atkinson impression of a Romantic poet. There is nothing to be improved, you just throw it in the bin and start again. Fail, improve, fail better, improve, and at some point, you're bound to right something better. I wrote 2 or 3 Moleskine, all filled with childish attempts. Eventually, I threw them away and started again. At that point I was writing poetry for 9 years. Only in my tenth did I get published. Pic related is a translation of one my favorite pieces, done by a good friend of mine for an underground anthology of Eastern European poetry.