/lit/ - Literature

>>5235350

Don Quijote was popular.

>>5234932
She's probably fat and smelly and thinks she should be another gender and/or species.

>>5232801

It is because somebody photo-shopped him in. The flag is likely photo-shopped as well. At least one of the blacks is too.

>>5231869

You should read Boys Adrift, a little conservative but there are a lot of reasons why boys don't become men any more.

>>5229799
This was a nice translation, though the edition I have had a lot of grammatical and other mistakes. His footnotes show him as quite unorthodox too.

Abdel Haleem was recommended by the eminent Nouman Ali Khan who studies the Quran and Arabic.

>>5229800
Well everything is defined in culture, that's not my point. My point is saying a thing is art or not art is pointless because it is only a question of definitions which change based on culture. However asking if art is good or bad is a valid question because there is good and bad objectively as well as culturally.

Oh no not again...

Look, for the last time: THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED!

>>5229775
So you're saying that Beethoven is better than Yngwie Malmsteen because his music is more difficult? Very dubious.

>>5229771
>No, art is craft made with skill and knowledge.

That's just a Greek definition anyway, which while a good one is culturally defined, and you guys shouldn't argue semantics. Who cares what you term art and what you don't term art? It is pretty immaterial.

Instead you should agree with me about Palestine. Now that is material.

>>5229729
That is the worst argument in the world. Mormons don't have a sacred right to wherever they were founded after they moved and lived in Utah for such a long time. It doesn't matter that Jews lived there centuries ago or whether Palestinians are part Jewish or part Martian.

None of that justifies one group of people oppressing another. Religion shouldn't play a role in this and as much as people emphasize it so much, it doesn't play as much of a role as people make it out to. Many Christian Palestinians for example are just as oppressed as the Muslim Palestinians. Before Zionism, Christian, Jewish and Muslim Palestinians coexisted just fine.

Most Jews are secular or even atheists. Many religious Jews are against Zionism and Palestinians though very Muslim are not acting as they do out of religion as much as they are the political situation.

However religious identities and sacred places are important. Jews should have access to all of the holiest places of Judaism just as any other religion should have access to their sacred places. If Jews moved into Jerusalem for religious reasons, great but that's completely different than them taking every bit of the land that was inhabited by another group of people.

Religion can't justify colonization.

Hamas are scholars and gentlemen and the Holocaust never happened! Alright, maybe *something* happened, but the numbers are like totally wrong! Six million? Yeah right, try six hundred!

>>5229682
I've always wanted to read it because the cover and title are so provoking but I've never gotten my hands on it or really known what it is about.

>>5229665
Who started it? How about the foreign colonizers that came from foreign countries to live in a land they had no personal roots in.

Who keeps continuing it? How about the state that keeps encroaching on Palestinian land with settlements, and closes them in with borders they control and don't allow free trade or for Palestinian fishers to go very far to fish.

Why are people so illogical to think that Israel has any legitimacy when they were transplanted into the land and caused all these problems for the original inhabitants.

>>5229619
Again you're ignoring the unequal character of this conflict. Israel has a state, a military, control of the borders. Gaza does not and neither does the West Bank. If you look at casualties too, its unequal with Israel killing many more civilians than Gaza.

Yes ethnic cleansing. Look at the Bedouins that they're moving out in the north that they originally said could stay. Look how they're killing Palestinians in large numbers on the flimsiest of contexts. Or how they allow any Jew to get citizenship and have a "right" of return but no Palestinian. Or all the homes and property they've destroyed of Palestinians or taken. They would never allow all Palestinians to live in Israel or for one state to exist in present conditions because their whole point is to have a Jewish majority state, something that requires getting rid of a lot of Palestinians. Which they're doing which is ethnic cleansing.

Again, the rockets are home-made and ineffective. They barely do a thing and that justifies what Israel does? Poor Israel is so afraid of the superpower Gaza with its large military and international aid. That's illogical.

Your last paragraph also exactly describes the Israeli position. They always bring up Israel's right to defend itself but what about Gaza's right to defend itself? Do the Israelis acknowledge the Palestinians' right to exist? Why are token words more important than lives?

Again the situation is unequal. Why do you think the UN keeps criticizing Israel and barely says a thing about Gaza doing wrong?

>>5229556
>>5229579

Picture related

>>5229556

That doesn't make any sense. Nothing ever justifies civilian casualties, ever. Maybe you can make the argument for military targets but even then, Hamas barely has a state and Israel has a large state and a large military, control of the borders and everything else.

The fact is Israel could solve these problems without so much violence but it doesn't. Instead it takes any pretence to ethnic cleanse Gaza.

If Hamas hadn't fought before, Gaza would still have Israeli settlements and have more land chipped away. What Gaza is going through is because they're trying to not be oppressed not for any other reason.

You realize how unequal the situation is don't you?

>>5229524

The Zionists' philosophy is literally ethnic cleansing. They've been trying to get rid of them since they started this movement and history shows that as they've been taking more and more land and cornering the Palestinians more and more. And Palestine has an ideology that "begins and ends with a hatred of the jews"? I'd hate a group that'd do that to me too.

So they haven't hurt Israel but their intention justifies Israeli oppression? We can't hurt everyone who just has bad intentions. And the Israelis have bad intentions and actually carry them out.

>>5229506
You ignored the fact that Israel has control of the borders, military aid and infrastructure and that the rockets are small and ineffectual.

And yeah, like the world is trying to be a peace keeper when they do nothing about Israel continually breaking international law and the US keeps giving it military aid and support no matter what they do.

What would you do if you were in an open air prison that's densely populated and were being oppressed?

>>5229459

Israel has a large defence system that can take down all of these "rockets". They also have control of the borders of Gaza. The "rockets" that Hamas uses has had so few casualties, it's not even funny. Most of them are home made and unsophisticated since they have neither a functioning state or outside military aid (like Israel). They fire them out of desperation.

These "rockets" that can barely do anything that can mostly be defended against that are caused from oppression do not justify what Israel has done in the slightest. They've been destroying UN schools, they invaded Gaza, they've killed children. It's completely unequal.

>>5228300

Because that didn't actually happen.

>>5228440
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-antonym

DON'T YOU MEAN TO SAY: HTTP://EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG/WIKI/AUTO-AUTONYM ?

>>5228783
>Arabs just are up to no good no matter what reality they're in

"If he have the condition of a saint and the complexion of a devil, I had rather he should shrive me than wive me" - Portia

>>5228793
The topmost leftmost art in the "'art' now" section isn't that bad.

>>5227445
>Whole

Hehehehehehhehehheheh boy is there egg on my face. I mean how