/lit/ - Literature

http://fucktheory.tumblr.com/post/18168780203/western-philosophy-and-eastern-philosophy

This will cover 80% of what you should know about Eastern philosophy.

>>7466544

Honestly it looks promising, but Bulgakov narrates the action switching between present and past tense what annoys me incredibly.

Has anyone read this? What am I in for? I read only two other positions from Bulgakov, but I heard it's unlike his later style.

I talked about it on /int/ also, but I feel like you lot are mildly more intelligent so I think I'll share it with you as well.

>tfw when about a week ago, I can say with much certainity I've finally fallen in love for the first time in my life with a Russo-Ukrainian girl
>tfw she's an ex-model whose career came early to an abrupt halt because of a drinking problem
>tfw she's a recovering drug addict
>tfw she's a recovering alcoholic
>tfw she smokes a lot and plays on a guitar, singing along about her depression and meaning in existentialist sense as she's quite well read
>bursts into tears easily and runs to the nearest church to wrestle with herself and God
>I can't help, but to love her, knowing that I'll regret our relationship

I can't comprehend Russia, but I feel like Dostoyevsky wasn't exaggerating with that motive of a "blessed whore" so prevalent in his novels, especially in Karamazov bros. Took me a while, but I finally see his point and... It humbled me. I'm blown away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXvYlD7Gkew

Don't be indifferent. Please.

Dimitri's trial (especially the opening and the ending speeches by prosecution and defense) and Zosima's retrospection about his youth and his brother making peace with his surroundings before his death were definately one of finest, emotionally stunning pieces of literature I've ever read.

I can agree that Dostoyevsky's prose isn't best at times, but these several chapters are completly redeeming qualities. That being said I still think that "Demons" are a close second. Engineer Kirilov's dispute with Shatov about nihilism is another jewel in my memory.

>>6665657

>I think the ``profoundness'' of eastern philosophy is really just a result of the cultural differences.

Because for the most part it's primarily onto-theology, not rigorous philosophy. And it's "profound" for the same reason people think Derrida is profound. You already know why.

Pascal has probably most inclusive writing style of all philosophers I've read.

>>6666325

That'll be all for tonight.

>>6666285

Spit on my dick

This sounds like presuppositionalist rhetorics.

First of all I'd like to ask: where do you think the distinction between analytics and continentals begin? I've so far encountered 3 ways of people approaching the problem:

>1. Traditional distinction that states that clear divergence occurs in the beginning of 20th century with emergence of phenomenology in Germany, appropriation of psychology into philosophy, formation of Frankfurt school and Heidegger on one hand for continentals and on the other hand for analytics formation of Vienna Circle and Frege-Russell-Wittgenstein trio collective works.

>2. Distinction championed by many analytics that believe the split origins in 19th century Germany with mid to late German Idealism, Hegel and Nietzsche which they more often than not, despise.

>3. Third distinction I've seen people making is the rarest one. It is kind of a perennial philosophy asserting that analytic versus continental dichotomy is just a modern manifestation of long struggle between Aristotelian and Platonist currents represented before in rationalism and empiricism.

Also with which school would you associate more closely Kierkegaard? On one hand he's a Christian existentialist, but on the other his use of logic and critique of Hegel shows some kind of analytic strain.

>>6627116

>Justifying what? I'm not justifying anything, actually.

I've seen that already.

>>6627098

You're doing an awful job at logically justifying yourself. I'm sorry for your promoter or whoever had to review your thesis. Stop posting anytime anon, it will be better for all of us.

>>6627052

>that will show him

You're amusing anon. Goes to show any simpleton can have a degree now.

>>6627015

>this machine kills fascists

>>6626962
>called him a structuralist instead of a proto-structuralist

OH THE HORROR. I'm not sure if it's a language barrier or your comprehesion that sucks, but you should apply your filter to yourself - you're not providing any substantiated critique of what I've written and half-assedly jumping over semantics. If you think that not adding a "proto-" prefix, in relation to someone who was contemporary to development of given school of thought, is a legitimate criticism then you're laughable.

I'd perhaps call you a dumbest anon on this board, but I've seen worse and that's saying much.

Are both Aristotles ded?

>>6626889

>no Stirner to tell spooky stories

at least Aristotle can be self-referential

>>6626779

Pinpoint one thing I said that was outright wrong in your opinion. Because after reading both novels these are exact lines which Gombrowicz's critique of Polish society goes along. Keywords he manufactured are nothing else, but a parody of cultural elements understood in relation to the overreaching post-feudal system that he despises. That's a clear structuralist theme to me used also by likes of Barthes. Moreover in the second post my thoughts are well formulated.

If your gripe is my generalisation from the first post then that's fucking 4chan. Inflammatory generalisations are a daily bread here and mine wasn't even particularily invalid.

>>6626667

Quality posting. Both Ferdydurke and Trans-Atlantic contain structuralist themes. Many of his odd neologisms describe/parody sociological conditions from structuralist viewpoint. I read an article that later in life he was very critical of Frenchies, but neither I read anything of his late work nor he probably realized that he is using the same rhetoric like structuralists.

>>6626622
>>6626561

Better than Asia in literary fiction for sure. In terms of philosophy maybe not, but most of Eastern "philosophy" is onto-theology anyway.

>>6626609

>listening to what structuralist hack has to say

>>6626237

Yea, I heard the owner was arrested recently.

>>6626362

Spinoza, sure. Hobbes wasn't by any stretch of imagination an atheist in a modern sense of this word. He professed a belief in Nicene Creed which is basically an equivalent of believing in God with Christian atributes. Even his friends in private correspondence thought it was nonsensical to accuse him of atheism. Confusion about his beliefs stems from his re-interpetation of biblical mythos and Leviathan that questioned aspects of political influence of Christian faith, not directly dogmatic ones.