/lit/ - Literature

>>6877183
that's deep man.
jokes aside, I'm glad we managed to end this peacefully and without resorting to namecalling. I have to go now, have a nice day.
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L'uva è matura, il campo arato.

Si stacca il monte dalle nuvole.

Sui polverosi specchi dell'estate
Caduta è l'ombra

Tra le dita incerte
Il loro lume è chiaro,
E lontano.

Colle rondini fugge
L'ultimo strazio.

>>6877139
You're right. Objectively good is a bad formula because of the immediate paradox that comes to mind. But I think you're smart enough to understand what I meant.

>>6877156
Fine, I agree to disagree. But I wish people would work a little bit more on their reading comprehension, because literally half my posts have been me defending myself from strawmen of people who though I wanted to make everyone love Joyce 1984-style

>>6877148
*get posted

>>6877145
Ok. But don't pretend those hyperboles don't exsist/get post regularly

>>6877134
of course they're not using those exact words, but let me quote from just this thread:
"this reads like shit."
"Barf."
"Boring as fuck.

Do you autists actually read this shit?"
"Boring and forgettable"

And this is supposedly a Joyce appreciation thread, just open one of the shitpost he-loved-farts-xd threads

>>6877117
Why? Why can't there be objective merit? Why can't we not admit to ourselves that some people were objectively good at writing, and their writing is objectively good?

>>6877070
It doesn't, and I never implied that it did.
I am just sick and tired of people going
>zomg! this is so bad, my 5 years old retarded cousin could write better xD!!!11!!
for easy bait replies... which inevitably keep on happening

>>6877079
you have reason for disliking it, doesn't make it convoluted bullshit nor bad... just as my dislike for omelettes doesn't make them taste bad

>>6877072
"Douce now. Douce Lydia. Bronze and rose.

She had a gorgeous, simply gorgeous, time. And look at the lovely shell she brought.

To the end of the bar to him she bore lightly the spiked and winding seahorn that he, George Lidwell, solicitor, might hear.

—Listen! she bade him.

Under Tom Kernan's ginhot words the accompanist wove music slow. Authentic fact. How Walter Bapty lost his voice. Well, sir, the husband took him by the throat. Scoundrel, said he, You'll sing no more lovesongs. He did, faith, sir Tom. Bob Cowley wove. Tenors get wom. Cowley lay back.

Ah, now he heard, she holding it to his ear. Hear! He heard.

Wonderful. She held it to her own. And through the sifted light pale gold in contrast glided. To hear."

>>6877047
Never have I said you had to enjoy it, as noone can force you to enjoy it. But calling it convoluted bullshit or saying that it's bad is simply being dishonest to yourself.

>>6876991
>>6877001
you both know that that specific passage is universally aknowledge as being really really good.
You had it in your literature textbooks.
As much as you wish to be contarian edgelords who have chosen to dislike Joyce at any cost, you could at least have the humility to admit that passage is poetry

>>6876972
>>6876974
>>6876976
>>6876979

I wish /lit/ would stop baiting and falling for obvious baits

>>6852583
au rebour, by Huysman

>>6829790
b-but renaissance music is really bad

>>6829760
>>6829757
>>6829752
wait, who said we could use modern music too?

>>6829730
Schonberg? Or maybe Ligeti?
Even Rach could fit probably

>>6829698
Unfortunately I don't know him well enough to distinguish a lot but as a 20th century musician, any writer that has a scatterd, somewhat incoherent style will do

>>6829602
Hemmingway: easy to get into, a good starting point, can give some visceral strong emotion, but overall there are more sophisticated authors

>>6817432
>>6817432
True, but there will also never be a better violinist than Heifetz, so does it really matter how others handle the violin?
john green mode activate: it's a metaphor

>>6804658
In his last works, which are more prose than poetry, he describes a reality which scaringly resembles our current web 2.0, with its shitty viral videos and 15 minutes of fame.

Latin is not similar to italian at all; the grammar is different (but it's very close to german instead); we use artcles, latin had desinences; the only thing useful is that a good number of words sounds very similar.
You should also look forward to reading Ungaretti, Foscolo and Quasimodo, all of whom are very foreign to 4chan, but still are excellent authors.

>>6804592
he's one of my favourite poets; a distinct, elegant intellectual - not one of the deepest, but he had a clear view on which direction our society was taking.
Also he was a really good music critic

>>6744474
Kek'd

>>6749279
I hate to be that guy but... /lit/ - literature