/lit/ - Literature

I don't know who this smartass is but neither of those posts are mine:

>>4404579
>>4404571
>>4404566

I'm getting tired of you pretentious leftists trying to reach my level of comprehension of Hegel and Kierkegaard and failing miserably. I think it is time for you to stop and accept authority here.

You will pay dearly for your haughtiness, you tryhard impostor. When LORD Christ finally comes and anoints me as the Peter of the Holy City to command his heavenly armies I will spare none of you heathens.

Hail Mary, full of grace.
Our Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

No post after this time will be by the "real Incongnito".
I'm leaving now, and I'm sorry if I've left any questions unanswered. However, there isn't a question that I can answer that Christ can't answer better, so look to Him for guidance.

>>4404499
>Kierkegaard, the first Atheistic philosopher (despite his personal predication towards rel.)

I think that this is absurd. There is a place where he says that Christian truths are a matter of DOGMA. So he is not disputing those dogmas. He is only saying that it's one thing to know the dogmas and another to really believe them and work them out through faith.

>>4404510
This isn't me either.

>>4404443
This is not the true Incognito, obviously. I should probably be flattered that people would bother to inpersonate after my short stay here (as a name, I've been anonymous here for a few years).
Anyhow, I'm leaving off posting about these kinds of matters on /lit/ and elsewhere. I think they are too serious to be discussed on here among anonyms. That's not an insult to anybody here, it's just the nature of the place is not conducive to really serious discussions, and the things I have been talking about are really serious. Plus, I shouldn't be preaching about things I don't fully understand yet, it makes me a hypocrite. I'm not retracting anything that I have said (anything that I remember saying), but I do think people should take what I've said with a grain of salt. HOWEVER, I do believe that the subjects that I have been talking about (religion, art, secret societies, occult, etc.) ARE of the utmost importance and that I am building myself on a good foundation by saying that there is a God, that "spirit" is real (contrary to materialist beliefs), and that Christ is indeed saviour. The nature of God and Christ's salvation I do not understand as well as I need to, but I am growing in conviction that these are realities which concern every one of us more than anything.

>How can you like Hegel and consider yourself a Catholic and praise Kierkegaard at the same time?

I despise Hegel. I've said multiple times that his "philosophy" amounts to kabbalah/gnosticism/mysticism and that he resembles a sorcerer more than a teacher.
As for MY views on Kierkegaard (because that guy is not me), I have a lot of respect for him. I don't think Kierkegaard is THAT far off Catholicism - http://perennis dot blogspot dot co dot uk/2004/07/kierkegaard-critic-of-luther dot html The problem with Kierkegaard, I feel, is that his theology is too fideistic and that he became too obsessed with fighting the counterfeit Christianity that he saw around him. I think he was a bit too literary and needed to be a bit more religious, even though I consider his literature just about the best of the Modern period and some of his religious sermons to be profound (Works of Love, Sickness Unto Death, Fear and Trembling). On the one hand I think that he is a kind of antidote to the Modern world in that he offers people a shelter from which they can hide from the dominant secularism / scientism of our times and start to become aware that they DO in fact have a soul. I think that his "subjectivism" can be reconciled to Catholicism in that it is not an opposition to defined Catholic dogma, it is just stating that what ultimately matters is Spirit, how you know the Word of Christ in your spirit - and I think that is close to Christ's message to the Pharisees in that he states that the Pharisees obsession with laws, codes and doctrines is useless if they abandon true faith.

Anyhow, I'm stopping posting here. See you, /lit/

>>4404492
I will wipe that smirk off your face when my heavenly Dad comes and beats the shit out of you, you objectively bad faggot.

Merry Christmas.

>>4404431
What a stupid question, I just finished Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel's newest book by the title of Elements of the Philosophy of Right and it was very interesting.

The bulk of the book is devoted to discussing Hegel's three spheres of versions of 'right,' each one larger than the preceding ones and encompassing them. The first 'sphere' is abstract right, in which Hegel discusses the idea of 'non-interference' as a way of respecting others. He deems this insufficient and moves onto the second sphere, morality. Under this, Hegel proposes that humans reflect their own subjectivity of others in order to respect them. The third sphere, ethical life, is Hegel's integration of individual subjective feelings and universal notions of right. Under ethical life, Hegel then launches into a lengthy discussion about family, civil society, and the state.

Hegel argues that the state itself is subsumed under the higher totality of world history, in which individual states arise, conflict with each other, and eventually fall. The course of history is apparently toward the ever-increasing actualization of freedom; each successive historical epoch corrects certain failures of the earlier ones. At the end of his Lectures on the Philosophy of History, Hegel leaves open the possibility that history has yet to accomplish certain tasks related to the inner organization of the state.

Don't you dare tell me I'm stupid you prole. I am very smart, Lord Jay Z assured me when we had our daily skype chat. Pathetic marxist worm.

>>4403417
I have no idea what it means. The big picture of the rainbow face alludes to it. I think it is supposed to mean "exalted", "lifted up".

This upcoming film, "Jupiter Ascending", is all about the Illuminati and the Egyptian mysteries and the idea that man can become divine through technology and can populate the stars.

The super hero films refer to the Nephilim, apparently. The Nephilim are referred to in the Bible as a race of half-human and half-fallen-angel giants that populated the earth a long time ago. The idea is that man can mix with the divine and become "superhuman". The reason why people make these kinds of connections are for things like the fallen angels being referred to as "Iron" and man as "clay", and so that Nephilim are referred to in the Bible as "iron mixed with clay", hence "Ironman", and "The Man of Steel (Superman)".

>>4403404
I don't know, Anon. I'm not a priest, to be fair.

>>4403405
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTJSt4wP2ME

God laughs at the Tower of Babylon.

>He that dwelleth in heaven shall laugh at them: and the Lord shall deride them.

That's what the proud aim at - a divine joke. They want to raise up a massive of obelisk across the Universe as a testament to man's divinity - and God Almighty laughs at this gesture of ultimate vanity.

Keep raising up your obelisk. God will soften it before its had chance to ejaculate over the stars.

>>4403379
I stand for conquest too. One of us is standing for the army of Heaven, and the other for the Devil and his angels . . .

You missed what I said. I've already said that I'm not against power or authority. I am FOR power and authority, which is why I resent when the leaders of nations refuse to submit their power and authority to the higher power and authority - God. It's their rebelliousness that is abominable.

These are the words that will be heard throughout eternity.

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall possess the land.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you when they shall revil you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake:
Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you.

And all of the "Noble Lies" that the Pharoas and Philosopher Kings spoke in order to lead Man to the Tower of Babylon and raise him up as God - will be forgotten.

>>4403323
Yeah, I understand this notion.
This is how I make my final judgement, "by their fruits you shall know them".
What are the fruits of the Egyptian mystery schools that worship the inner eye? Human sacrifice, orgies, lust, secrets, etc. What are the fruits of the Church were Christ is sacrificed for men (rather than men being sacrificed for gods)? Love (based on sympathy, not lust), kindness, humility, forbearance, self-denial.
So which ought I to go for? Which should all call good and holy and which evil and unholy?
The meek inherit the earth, not the proud. When you are meek you can live on the Earth at peace with it, not despising yourself for your weakness or seeking to glorify yourself at the expense of others. The proud inherit nothing but death. They demand more and more sacrifice for their own sake, there is never enough, they always want MORE because they DESERVE MORE because they are GREAT.
Your entire philosophy is based on man becoming divine, man becoming God. The idea that more and more revealed wisdom will lead to a kind of divinity, that man will mate with the angels and give birth to a race of supermen. My philosophy is based on God becoming man . . . and sacrificing Himself for our sake. Not in our glory but in our lowliness, God makes this sacrifice for us. All you want is glory. You want higher and higher pyramids, you want to populate the stars with your seed, your generation. That's all these people care about, "Generation", the big G, sex and offspring and bloodlines and the power derived from them. You don't mind telling lies, you don't mind murdering, you don't mind raping, you don't mind making sacrifices in the millions - because it's all for the glorification of the human race, the raising of man to the level of God. It's the project of Lucifer.
But your civilizations are barren. How beautifully barren are the Pyramids, how desolate those deserts. And our civilization will return to dust too, never reaching the stars. How beautiful, to know that the proud will be stamped out and that all the abominable sacrifices they made and the lies they told to cover them up are to be punished.

>>4403314
Worshipping something worldly, mundane, as though it were divine is corruption itself. Bowing before an idol and submitting it spiritually as your god is more evil than murder. There are lots of mistakes that you can forgive men for making, but making something of the world an image of the divine is not one of them.

>>4403305
tbh, I'm not sure what color they were.
I do, however, have my doubts whether the Ashkenazi and Shephardic "Jews" of today have any ethnic ties with Abraham, Moses, or David.

>>4403301
>how can you stand by the idea of Christian religion when we've got a much prouder heathen history to follow?

There's nothing to be proud of worshipping idols and making human sacrifices to them. Its the essence of evil. I'm glad that the Christians smashed the idols of Europe and flattened their unholy hills. I'm glad that the Christian Spaniards smashed the Aztec and Incan temples with their obscene sacrifices and replaced them with the Churh. It's some of the best work that has ever been done.

>The man who decries The Elite

Note: I do not hate the Elite because they have power, I hate them because they trespass against God and do everything they can to make us trespass against Him. It's not their authority that I mind, it's their abuse of it. I'm not a Marxist who thinks that all authority is evil.

>he is a man who knows what can be had, not just material but also spiritual conquest, and he knows and fears what is in man.

It's God that I need to be fearing, not man. Man is pathetic as soon as he strays away from God. As soon as Man thinks he can run things by himself, without God, you end up with infinite vanity and abominable sacrifices.

> older traditions

I'm suspicious of your chronology.

>>4403288
Don't kid yourself m8. Abraham and his people were white. It's the dark-skinned Canaanites to which you owe all of those pagan idols.

>>4403272
I can't answer you because I am in the exact - the exact - same position as you are.

>>4403251
Alex Jones is a false prophet, he's on your side.

We have God Almighty.
Just as God lead His people out of Egypt and out of Babylon, so will He lead His people once more out of their current place of captivity which is called "Mystery Babylon".
You can live in a Egyptian Pharoa for a few years, we (though I do not count myself yet among God's peopple) will dwell in the House of the Lord forever.

Why have the Gentile raged, and the people devised vain things?
The kings of the earth stood up, and the princes met together, against the Lord, and against his Christ.
Let us break their bonds asunder: and let us cast away their yoke from us.
He that dwelleth in heaven shall laugh at them: and the Lord shall deride them.
The shall he speak to them in his anger, and trouble them in his rage.
But I am appointed king by him over Sion his holy mountain, preaching his commandment.
The Lord hath said to me: Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee.
Ask of me, and I will give thee the Gentiles for thy inheritance, and the utmost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Thou shalt rule them with a rod of iron, and shalt break them in pieces like a potter's vesel.
And now, O ye kings, understand and receive instruction, you that judge the earth.
Serve ye the Lord with fear: and rejoice unto him in trembling.
Embrace discipline, lest at any time the Lord be angry, and you perish from the just way.
When his wrath shall be kindled in a short time, blessed are all they that trust in him.

Your kingdom is built on quicksand. It is sinking already. There will be great spectacles where the people worship the Beast and then God will move against this New Egypt.

>>4403250
Plus, if we are to take Christ seriously (and that is obviously a rudimentary prerequisite for anybody calling themselves "Christian") then it's not like He would show up for a few years, inspire the apostles to write a few books and then just leave us there to figure out their meaning by ourselves. Why would He abandon us like that? Surely He would guide us in some way. It's entirely consistent with scripture for Catholics to claim that their Church is protected by the Holy Spirit, because that's exactly the kind of thing that God would do in order to keep His word.
"And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

>>4403224
Catholicism. Although it's very tricky now because arguably the so-called "Catholic Church" has itself been corrupted from the inside, and that the "true Catholic Church" is now a remnant which is not in communion with Pope Francis (who many would call antipope Francis, antipope being a historical term, not just a nasty name intended to spite).
I think Protestantism is untenable and that the "Orthodox Church" is just the result of a petty political dispute with people being unwilling to submit to an authority.
Protestantism is founded on two dogmas - "Sola Scriptura" and "Sola Fide", Scripture Alone and Faith Alone. Faith Alone is the idea that man is "justified by faith, separate from his works", i.e. if a man believes in Christ and His salvation, that man is saved. The way Protestants like to justify this is by saying that Christ and Christ alone is the saviour, that salvation is gratuitous gift, and saying that we are saved by our faith as well as our works is tantamount to saying that we "merit" salvation, and that is a blasphemous idea because nobody really "merits" salvation, it is just a gift of God's great mercy. However, Christ said that he is blessed who KEEPS his Word, who DOES the things that he commands, and the apostle James said that faith without works is dead. What kind of faith do you have if you continue to fornicate with the world? What does it say about your faith if you continue to be uncharitable, indignant towards the poor, quick to anger, disobedient, etc.? It only shows that your "faith" is nothing but your taking Christ in vain, that your faith is dead.
Sola Scriptura is the big one. It's what makes Protestantism so unstable. The idea here is that the Holy Bible is the ultimate authority on matters pertaining to faith and dogmas, and that nobody can say something is dogmatic unless it is explictly stated in the Bible. The problem with this asinine idea is that the INTERPRETATION matters just as much as the words of scripture themselves. What does it matter if the Holy Bible is the inspired word of God if a devil can come along and twist the words to suit his own ends? Just as the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit, SO MUST THE INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE BE INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. And that is EXACTLY what the Catholic Church claims - that their interpretation of the Bible is overseen and protected by the Holy Spirit, that the Holy Spirit prevents the bishops from promulgating false doctrines on faith and morals. Now, that is a big claim for the Catholic Church to make - that claim that it is infallible and protected by the Holy Spirit itself - but that is the exact claim that is needed for a Church to be consistent in itself. Otherwise you end up with a million different denominations of "Protestantism" where each Church claims to have the correct interpretation and nobody can say who is wrong or who is right (because we would require the Holy Spirit to decide for us).

>>4403208
>well can you give me some examples of some literary works that are pure in that regard?

They are honestly few and far between. Even the great Virgil has occult shit going on. Think of when Aeneas (father of the people that will build Rome) has that weird, ersatz marriage with Dido (Carthage) and the result is the great conflict between Rome and Carthage.
This is significant. The Romans knew what this symbolized. Hannibal, general of Carthage, had come the closest anybody had ever come, at the time, to destroying Rome. It was said by Virgil's time that "Hannibal had taught Rome to fear". So when Aeneas has that mystical marriage with Dido it's basically saying that this offended the gods and that the Punic wars were the retribution for this abomination.

Honestly, I don't have much hope for art. Not long ago, when I was a secular minded person, I would have told you that art is the greatest expression of humanity and that studying art will enlighten you. Now I think art is just a very inconcise way to do a ritual. Humanity is based on ritual, on religion - not art. Art is more or less a facilitator to a ritual - we use music, for example, to incite certain passions that are approprite to whatever ritual is taking place. I think the reason why people put so much emphasis on art these days is because they have no religion, and art is the last vestige of spirituality left for secular people - but art is, like I said, just a kind of ritual. This painting of Venus, for example, is nothing but an idol. The pagans worshipped idols for spiritual insight/power. When you "contemplate and appreciate this masterful work of art" you are basically just worshipping a pagan goddess in your soul. The problem with this is who is conducting the ritual, to which priesthood does the art pay homage to? I bet you can find art that glorifies God, but I'd wager that there's much more art that glorifies the world and the god of this world (satan).

This is also why I don't think our civilization is very advanced. I think religion/ceremony is a much greater indicator of human advancement than is technology.

>>4403207
That satan is real and you have to give your life over to Christ.
Sounds naive, but it's the truth.

>>4403194
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