/lit/ - Literature

>>5461432
I'm talking about 'nihilism,' the broad label for that set of philosophies. That's the only nihilism being discussed ITT, although I think I mixed it in with the Absurd a little bit, which may have caused confusion (my bad: in my mind, the notion of the Absurd is a product of nihilism, I don't know if that's a common way of thinking about it or not)

>>5461404
I wrote the reply before reading the OP, yeah.

>>5461400
Yeah, I try.

Cogito ergo sum.

>>5461377
Isn't it, though? If you literally believe that nothing exists then you certainly don't believe in the existence of objective reality.
>>5461379
And then we'd all laugh at you for being a dumbass.

>>5461313
I was also the anon that made that post, though.

>>5461310
I was the one who first coined it a couple days ago, actually. I thought it deserved its own thread.

>>5461294
Nihilists literally don't believe in anything.

>>5461273
You don't 'pull' something from a friendship.

You have a friendship. The friendship is the means and end of the friendship.

If there is a different means or end, it isn't friendship.

>>5461270
lel
>>5461281
>Implying you can believe in the existence of emotions and be a nihilist

>>5461236
I don't disagree with you at all.

The Book of Job.

>>5461176
>Implying it's possible to function as a human being without a working concept of morality
>Implying you're as amoral as all nihilists like to think they are

The quality of art is objective.
Your opinion is irrelevant to anyone but you.
Your opinion is not invalid, but someone can have a more valid opinion than you do.
Your taste in music is shit.

>>5461146
>Implying nihilism isn't something to be overcome
>>5461158
Nietzsche wasn't a nihilist. I'm not a nihilist. I'm not arguing as a nihilist and I agree that a nihilist is just someone who doesn't have enough memory to be an existentialist.

>>5461132
>Aspiring to nihilism

>>5460957
Existentialist philosophy basically boils down to:

There is no inherent meaning in the universe, so the best thing anyone can do is create his own meaning and live his life that way.

Also Sprach Zarathustra is about a guy who goes around doing just that while he espouses Nietzsche's philosophy, which is basically:
>God is dead, morality as it is is a sham, and man must overcome himself and in so doing recreate himself and his values

Nietzsche basically gives you the same message Sartre, Camus, and co. do, but his prose and his sense of humor are better and his philosophy is much more rigorous and complete. Sartre says: Go create your own meaning! Camus says: Rebel against the Absurd! Nietzsche says: There is only your meaning, and rebellion against the absurd is absurd.

Existentialists present a very skewed view of the phenomena they talk about, too. Sartre's description of consciousness is intended to be depressing. It isn't anything groundbreaking in philosophy: William James was writing about the stream of consciousness before Sartre was even born, and he didn't seem to think it was worth falling into utter despair over. Most of the things that cause 'despair' in existentialist literature are things that philosophies that came before them already turned into not-awful things. The experience of Being suspended over Nothing? That's Hegel, and Hegel didn't get upset about it. He found great joy in it.

Also, most existentialist philosophers stopped being existentialists. If anything, existentialism is nothing but an intermediary stage between nihilism and authenticity, but one that manages to get caught up on talking about the pursuit of authenticity and doesn't really do much to move in that direction.

Nietzsche's philosophy is more authentic through and through than any existentialist's was. What does that tell you about existentialism and Nietzsche? Who better understood the core concept of 'living authentically/willfully in a valueless/meaningless world,' and who thought of it first?

F.N.

>>5460947
Do you disagree?

Existentialism is just Nietzsche for people who aren't edgy enough.

>>5448248
Let's have one.

I think Stirner's philosophy is wholly subsumed by Hegel's, which also subsumes the historical developments prompted by Marxism.

>>5448250
No, that was as cyberpunk as I'm ever going to get, aside from posting on 4chan.

>>5446607
It's possible for an individual to be enlightened in a global crypto-totalitarian cybercapitalist ecumenopolic society.

>>5446582
No.

Knowledge is the only freedom.

Spirit is coming to life.