/lit/ - Literature

>>17770642
I haven’t even posted all thread.

>>17769046
It would have been fine if I didn't hate my coworkers and the toxic workplace. That smarmy Mormon level business office politik. It was my least favorite job. But the work itself was interesting and engaging, that was the only think that kept be going. And beer.
>>17769207
Every government agency is full of lawyers. Every city/county has a team of lawyers. There's plenty of those types of jobs that take 5 interviews and three months to get.
>>17769208
This feels like it was straight out of my jurisprudence textbook. Good on you friend.
>>17769225
>>17769363
Yeah. Law school teaches you how to work those schedules. I'd spend most days and weekends at the law library when not in class from like 9am to midnight. The bar exam kinda fried me from that lifestyle though. I like having time to actually do things, even if it's just shitpost and online mahjong.

>>17768248
When I was at a big firm I was working 60+ hours a week.
When I was at a smaller firm it was about 30-40 hours a week.
Right now, because I’m in the process of starting my own firm it feels like I’m working all the time but not working at all.

>>17766399
Does it go to Mithras dinners?

>>17767494
I mostly do transactional stuff and it’s all from home. As business picks up I’m sure I’ll be less frequent with my posting, I hope. As I’m sure you do too.

>>17767902
The thread about tripcodes and board quality last week shook me to the point where I dug up my old trip from a decade ago. It really has stopped me from posting mean or nonconstructive things.

Burgerpunk

>>17767025
Natural law is retarded.

>>17765802
Either it lands you a job or it helps get your name out for a solo practice. There’s not really a downside to being nice and friendly to ever. You meet.

>>17765669
Yep, US. Here were some of my recs from the previous law thread.

Books for law school
>planet law school 2
>getting to maybe
Interesting cases
>texas v johnson oral arguments
>Ford v dodge
>Bethel School District v. Fraser speech
>all Anticanon cases
>citizens United is a hell of a read
Biographies
>Clarence Darrow attorney for the damned
>my life as a radical lawyer william kunstler
Misc
>the nonsense factory
>typography for lawyers

I wish I had won
but south wind called ron
when he got a Baiman
and now I am done

>>17765618
Legal positivists don't really use that distinction, OP's definition includes the duality you are attempting to create and subvert.

>we're all legal realists now

>>17765531
>everything felt so pointless
That's the point. The ending was also set up to where he could continue the story if he wanted to or not.
>>17765539
No but yes
>>17765541
yes but no

Infinite Jest
the trial
catch 22
american psycho
sublime object of ideology
1q84
dune
ubik
the hobbit
Riichi Book I

The book we read in our jurisprudence class was called:
>Jurisprudence Theory and Context Seventh Edition by Brian H. Bix.
It was short and small, giving broad overview as if it was one of those generic philosophy texts that holds your hand along the way.
Outside of that we also read some of the stuff mentioned >>17761480 and >>17763934
But generally, unless you are talking specifically to a law professor/scholar that focuses on jurisprudence lawyers don't know shit. I made other students cry in my jurisprudence class because 80% of the people in that room were illiterate, uneducated, indoctrinated mercenaries who were ready to feed themselves to the machine at a moments notice.
The problem with threads like these is that there's only ever about 6 lawyers on /lit/ and lawyers don't read. Everyone else who has actually read texts like this aren't lawyers so it's a bunch of wasted effort on their part.
I could try to find the PDFs of primary sources we read in class if youre interested.

American lawyer spends all his time and money on the idea of playing Japanese mahjong in Japan. When he eventually gets to Japan, after years of saving and practicing, it turns out he’s awful at the game and gets nearly killed by the yakuza. He loses his whole life savings and can’t get back home. He doesn’t know the language well enough besides mahjong terms. He befriends an old Japanese man who teaches him the flaws in his mahjong game but the old man dies from a heart attack before he can impart the most important bit of advice, advice that the lawyer has to figure out on his own when he goes back into the fray to get his money back. Much of the in between bits would be him not knowing what the hell is going on, culture shock, and being disappointed by an idealized culture.

>>17764373
Thanks, I'll read over it. It's not that I think surv cap is really all that great of a book, but I was having a hard time coming up with something that's super recent re: threads subject. It's as if the fundamentals were already all determined and the current state of the internet is just one way the game played out and was already planned for. As if capital had a triple side wait for a tile suit everyone else was already discarding.

>>17747304
Zizek and IJ are some of the most important books on there when it comes to the russian doll of ideology and the downfall of technologies isolationist capabilities.
>>17751392
The book is a dumbed down version of Marshal McLuhan, and even cites him in the book. I didn't think it was bad, but it was very 80s. It's core thesis that TV attempting to be serious is a poor form of communication that is dumbing everyone down was pretty good and it's theory that the telegraph and 'information unnecessary to local environments' was pretty neat. I don't think it's a bad book by any means. It was short as fuck.
>>17753449
I love when people unironically rec uncle Ted, as if half the book isn't a boomer facebook rant about MUH LIBERALS ARE DESTROYING AMERICA
>>17759094
I'd also like to rec aristotle's rhetoric and bernays propaganda as protoblind pill.
>>17764228
It's true that many of the books on the list are preinternet critiques, but most of the critique applies ten fold today. Everything I've read that is more modern is all out of date now by a few years. None of it was really as memorable as any of the books in this thread. The one I can think of that was recent and actually pretty good was pic related, but it's less theoretical and more materialist in it's process.

>>17756777
Lucky trips.
Good post.

>>17753320
It depends on the judge. Some judges like a literate lawyer, some judges can't even read. At trial it's about being clear and concise to a jury.
>>17753386
If you want to be a lawyer, you will go become a lawyer. Your inability to get into a t14 is only important to what the internet says, not your personal goals.
>>17755367
thanks anon, I'm hungover as shit.

>>17751752
Not big law as in hundreds of attorneys but I’ve been in firms with dozens of attorneys and they are all equally as awful based on their structure and inherent aspects.

>>17750501
>>17750791
Working with other lawyers is a complete gamble. Sometimes they are real people and have emotions and a drive and asperations, but many times they are beaten down by the system or so uneducated in the finer things in life that all they see is the blood of litigation and can't do anything beyond that. Many lawyers are simple lawyers. Some will quote scripture at you and others will talk infinite jest. But most are, as I made the girl cry in my jurisprudence class, they are "indoctrinated mercenaries". Of a profession you would think is the most well read, most of what I've experienced is a bunch of over worked, underpaid people who couldn't even form a G chord even if guitar has been their hobby for a decade. It's really kinda sad. Most attorneys I've talked with fall into the same traps as regular damn people.

>>17750419
I’d answer any silly questions if anyone had any.