/lit/ - Literature

Surgical Recall directed by Rob Reiner.

What the fuck.

>>3605908
Because "truth" isn't a value judgement.

>>3605730
What would you define as a "truly great intellectual", OP? Chances are, there are a number of them, you're just paying attention to critical theory and the other postmodern shit.

My only problem is it is the hive of the pseudo-intellectualism known as postmodernism.

>>2910873

Well, that's where it get's tricky, because you have "transgender", and then "Trans*" or sometimes just "Trans"....It's both a specific thing (as in those who are going from MtF or FtM), and an umbrella term for individuals who do not conform to the expected gender norms of a society...I believe that's the sense in which Cis was used.

>>2910861
See >>2910862

And by trans in "non-trans", I mean the umbrella term of it, that being gender queer, or gender non-conforming or what have you.

>>2910856

Though, I should add to this. Cis started as just a way to say "non-trans" because there was really no word for it. People on tumblr and reddit and even some real activists have used it instead as a point of derision, as a "us vs. them" type thing. The purpose of third wave is not to divide, as second wave was, but instead to come together as one human race, with prejudices about each other, that we understand and work to negate.

>>2910847

The (wo)myn stuff is behind the times. The Cis stuff is up to date, just really poorly understood, and spouted off like the people posting were authorities on trans rights and all transgender experiences because they know a trans person or are a trans person.

>>2910844

Oops! My bad....sorry >.< I just got back on, and it's getting late here.

>>2910829

Actually, tumblr is just degraded, horribly understood third-wave. Just like Rand >>2910826 is degraded, horribly understood Kierkegaard.

There is a small movement who is calling for a "fourth wave", but it's basically the same thing as third-wave with an included focus on spirituality, and third wave has already co-opted that, so...yeah, no fourth wave yet.

>Go to dinner
>Come back
>People still posting

Holy fuck! You guys are awesome...perhaps there is hope for /lit/ after all.

>>2910743

Why does the laughter need to be nervous? Why do we need to mock our ignorance? We need to understand ignorance is not the desired state, but it is not a bad state to be in, as long as you are prepared to try and make yourself knowledgeable. Why is that so hard?

>>2910733

Why is it embarrassing though? To admit you don't know something? Is that really something to feel embarrassment over? If it is, than the entire human race should be red in the face every day.

>>2910702

Well, you're creating a fictional story that agrees with you. Real life is never so easy or black and white. But I'll still bite. A psychologist would be good to talk about why you lost your job, how can you repackage yourself at a late age to get a new job, any lingering feelings of doubt in yourself, why your wife's love was conditional on you having a job, how to feel attractive in a culture that values youth, etc.

>>2910703

The extremes are the problem though. There's no "transition period from one extreme to the other." It's about slow changes towards a less extreme and essentialist view of masculinity and femininity.

>>2910692

>>2910689

Psychologists aren't there to tell you about your problems. They're there to be confided in, to offer fresh perspectives and advice. The first few sessions are usually there to get to know you, to talk about what you're going through, feeling, experiences, all that stuff.

This is one of the big reasons current masculinity is toxic, though. Men feel as though they are ceding power to someone by seeking help.

>>2910680

Yes, but the vast majority aren't opposed to them. Unlike in second wave, where -everyone- was against them.

>>2910661

But why is ideal? And what lasting scars did Man B receive in conquering his depression? If the outcomes are the EXACT same, then yes, Man B would have followed closer to what is considered ideal masculinity. But, when are the outcomes ever the same in that situation?

Also, if it turns out that more people turn out in a better situation taking Man A's route, then why not adapt that into masculinity?

>What do you do with your ideals of being an inexhaustible stud in bed then?

One of the many ideals of Masculinity.

>>2910654

Ah, a very tough question. This became a sticking point for many second wave feminists, and is the reason that they are against pornography and prostitution.

Third wave is much better constructed and has a better flow between it's ideas. Thanks to the sex-positivity, fetish is accepted, and thanks to the ideas on power-structure, everyone has power to a certain extent, and you can cede your power consensually, as long as real freedoms are not curtailed. As long as you can say "no" or whatever word you pick, and everything stops, you can do whatever you'd like.

Pateman and especially Mills talk about this a lot, as far as the conceptions of power and control. They are social constructs, just like race and gender are social constructs, HOWEVER, and this is where many "hobby feminists" stop reading, social constructs are just as important as actual genetic and uncontrollable differences. THE DIFFERENCE is that you can control and change social constructs for the better.

Being "black" is a social construct based upon your heritage, your culture, and the way in which you were brought up understanding yourself and others, just as much as it is an extension of your skin color. Skin color is just the signifier that you are "part" of the culture, and is an arbitrary choice of divide. If you think it's not, I advise you looking into one of the founders of the NAACP, who spent most of his life living as a white man. His culture was important, and it affected things. The only difference is, that culture can be changed for the better, where as your skin color cannot really be changed.

>>2910633

I don't advocate going to help at every little problem, but I do advocate knowing when you need help, and not feeling ashamed or emasculated when you are getting help.

>>2910617
>>2910629
>>2910630

>people agreeing on the internet
>people agreeing ON FUCKING 4CHAN

This thread is now official Chemo

>>2910617

And if that was how masculinity was viewed, I would have no problems.

>>2910610

>A man ignores the pain and keeps trying.

Until he is dead? Or in prison? Or driven insane? Eventually you have to let your feelings out. Everyone does. Show me a man who has never cried, or loved something, or confided in anyone, and I will concede my point.

Your idea of what makes a man is ridiculous and impossible.

>I mean that you stop the problem at the root

What if the problem doesn't have a root? Or the root of the problem is too big for you to handle on your own? What then?

>>2910596

But there's the problem. Masculinity in it's current form says you are to -never- seek help from anyone. Just keep going and never reflect on what you feel. That's what that quote is about. It's not saying that all trial and error learning is bad. It's saying that using only that method is a bad thing, and that is what current masculinity is about.

>>2910567

Eventually, many men do break from their masculinity and go see a psychologist. The fact that they have to "break" from their masculinity to seek mental help is exactly the reason masculinity in it's current form is toxic.

"Toughing it out" is never a good idea, it usually leads to people becoming unable to express themselves outside of violent fits of anger, or manic swings in personality.

Also, "toughening up" and living up to unrealistic expectations of masculinity usually leads to depression. The entire idea of a mid-life crisis is proof enough for that.