/lit/ - Literature

>>8722310
Catholic Church uses the Masoretic text for their OT now. The Vulgate and the Septuagint are the only acceptable texts for OT translations.

>>8722318
Yeah, but the Platonic aspects of his work, like all the intermediary angels, are not the parts that made it into official teachings. For something to be official teaching, it has to be affirmed somewhere in the Liturgy.

I won't deny some great Orthodox thinkers and mystics were influenced by Platonism, but this didn't ever dominate the Liturgy or officially teachings. For instance, you can readily spot Platonic-influenced mystics because they tend to talk in terms of the "nous," whereas Orthodox mystics not influenced by Platonism talk in terms of the "heart" (which is a big thing even in the OT). This really isn't a problem, since they tend to talk about the same thing and give wisdom that doesn't really conflict, but the point is that Orthodox theology wasn't really "influenced" by Platonism, it's just some thinkers got infatuated with the terms, but actual Platonic mysticism didn't influence Orthodox mysticism in any lasting way, even if it reigned in pockets of monastics from time to time.

>>8722301
Thank you! :p

I'm actually going to be leaving soon, though, the Nativity Fast is coming up, and most Orthodox who post on 4chan, don't post during that. I'm also hoping on becoming a monastic next year, so I'll probably be gone forever after that.

>>8722277
The essence-energies distinction is clear in Basil: "We know our God in His energies. For although His energies descend to us, His essence remains inaccessible."

Pseudo-Dionysius might have been influenced by Plotinus, but that particular doctrine hardly originated with him.

>>8722213
The King James Bible is the preferred translation for Orthodox, although for Liturgical use it's the New King James and we edit it to align with the Septuagint.

>>8722198
Saint John Chrysostom hated Plato, desu. And he is to us what Saint Augustine is to the West.

>>8721812
>Truth exists in the universe no matter where it came from
Christian dogma can't come from any source, it can only come from Christ. If someone else happens to affirm the same truth, then okay, but you can't add to it from other sources.

>Which is exactly why orthodoxy is so backwards-looking and has so little effect on human institutions in the contemporary world.
This wasn't something the Apostles were ever concerned about.

> the church didn't really do anything to galileo
They told him he was an heretic and would be punished if he didn't recant (which he did).

>Because you don't have the authority.
Because we didn't forge a document called "The Donation of Constantine".

>>8721780
Pertaining to the philosophy of Nietzsche.

>>8721763
I would supply them, but that wouldn't be very Nietzschean of me.

>>8721750
You couldn't--or wouldn't--even get a job except through presumption that you want money, and your presumption the employer wants labor.

>>8721740
You'd be unable to function or cooperate with mainstream society without a substantial set of presumed, shared values.

>>8721731
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>>8721722
Oh, and serious criminals I suppose would also be an exception.

No one creates value ex nihilo. Unless you're some sort of fanatic or madman, 99% of your values are just those of your society and Zeitgeist, with the personal 1% being the innocuous portion.

>>8721710
Which is mincing words.

>>8721679
>Anselm's answer to the question is simply the need of satisfaction of sin. No sin, as he views the matter, can be forgiven without satisfaction. A debt to Divine justice has been incurred; and that debt must needs be paid.

>>8721674
>Scholasticism was also taken from pegan philosophy
Not sure how that's any more Apostolic than Islam

>if your holy tradition refuses to be changed, then it cannot really be true
Hm.

>So if your church doesn't have this attitude then it will never really advance
You're right, we're not interested in advancing on the understanding of the Apostles, we're interested strictly in preserving it, unaltered.

>then there will also be stigma against scientific progress
You're the ones who punished Galileo for heresy, we never did anything like that.

>>8721652
You didn't really answer my question, unless you're saying God's demand for obedience is what was satisfied.

>>8721541
What is being satisfied?

>>8721527
The Catholic Church teaches the Satisfaction Theory of Atonement.

>>8721299
Latin poetry doesn't rhyme.

>>8721228
>ask literally any Pharisee about that
Yes, they have differing views on the nature of Gehenna than Christians do. Orthodox Christians also have a different view than other Christians.

>>8721212
Scholasticism was taken from Islamic theology.

Dogma the same across all Orthodox jurisdictions, which aren't "sects". The Bible is not a source of our dogma, Holy Tradition is. The Bible is venerated because it infallibly, albeit not comprehensively, witnesses Holy Tradition.

>>8720952
Gehenna is certainly an eschatological concept in Judaism. You don't know what you're talking about.